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ChezC3

ChezC3

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As opposed to the traditional catholic way of sexeducation of having your child raped by a priest.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
It seems this contract is over the top and has little, if nothing at all to do with the job. For instance, in order for a teacher to keep her job, she MUST not support her son because he is homosexual. She has ever right to use her free speech and say this sucks.
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correct

and you are right "revising" the contract in that way is total crap and over the top for employees that have already been working there.

Not to mention the OP is mistaken, this is not simply about being catholic as many churches and schools of "catholic teachings" do not require what this "revised" contract does and some even support the oppisite
 
MaggieD said:
Looks like the morality clause is specific and does, indeed, limit free speech. We sign away our rights in contracts all the time. Nothing new here.

Don't want to sign it? Don't. I'm with you. Easy-peasy. ;)
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the issue is what if you have 20 years in at that school and you already have an openly gay daughter or a 2nd offense she was conceived by artificial insemination because of health issue due to you or your husband?

I pick this odd and unlikely scenario because the contract was CHANGED or "revised" as the article says.

and it now continues NEW stuff like:

"The revised contract for this coming year is very specific.
It has a laundry list of violations teachers must stay away from. This includes public support of homosexuality, sexual activity out of wedlock and artificial insemination."

so basically if my description fit you, you would have to quit or you could sign it and they could instantly terminate you.

Thats crap! IMO

Now for NEW employees i could understand and be fine with it but for a teacher that has time in already and COULD already have an openly gay child like the teacher in the story thats crap because they "revised"

but i do agree with you in general, we do sign away things all the time BY CHOICE
in this case its really not by choice sine they changed it
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
It seems this contract is over the top and has little, if nothing at all to do with the job. For instance, in order for a teacher to keep her job, she MUST not support her son because he is homosexual. She has ever right to use her free speech and say this sucks.
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Yes she does, just as the Catholic Church has a right to employ or refuse to employ those who don't comply with their mission statement.
 
MaggieD said:
Looks like the morality clause is specific and does, indeed, limit free speech. We sign away our rights in contracts all the time. Nothing new here.

Don't want to sign it? Don't. I'm with you. Easy-peasy. ;)
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What detractors don't get in their refusal to respect other people's beliefs is that a main part of the Catholic curriculum and one of the main reasons why parents send their children to Catholic schools is to incorporate Catholic teaching, Catholic morality into their children's learning experience. If teachers do not subscribe to Catholic teaching or hold views on morality consistent with the teachings of the Catholic Church than they are not fulfilling their expected duties as teachers in the Catholic education system.

Essentially to put this into purely secular terms -- what the Catholic Church is doing is tantamount to Coca-Cola making their employees sign a contract stipulating that they will not advertise, promote, or sell Pepsi.

it amazes me that people actually would have a problem with this. It is also indicative to their true intentions and motivations.
 
ChezC3 said:
it amazes me that people actually would have a problem with this. It is also indicative to their true intentions and motivations.
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What exactly is this women's true intention? To love and support her son unconditionally?
 
ChezC3 said:
in the unemployment line, I agree.
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Maybe, or maybe she will bring awareness to the cause and if enough parents respect her and like her as a teacher for their children they will put pressure on the school to make some changes. She has nothing to lose.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
Yes, she does and she should be proud to take a stand.
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correct again, and her stand will probably even hold up if she gets enough backing.

its simply because its a CHANGE that basically fires teachers that are already employed that makes it crap.

If this was the way the contract was always THAT would be different but changing the contract IE simply firing people is wrong. If you are already employed thier this new policy should not affect you because its changes that a person may have ZERO control over.
 
AGENT J said:
the issue is what if you have 20 years in at that school and you already have an openly gay daughter or a 2nd offense she was conceived by artificial insemination because of health issue due to you or your husband?

I pick this odd and unlikely scenario because the contract was CHANGED or "revised" as the article says.

and it now continues NEW stuff like:

"The revised contract for this coming year is very specific.
It has a laundry list of violations teachers must stay away from. This includes public support of homosexuality, sexual activity out of wedlock and artificial insemination."

so basically if my description fit you, you would have to quit or you could sign it and they could instantly terminate you.

Thats crap! IMO

Now for NEW employees i could understand and be fine with it but for a teacher that has time in already and COULD already have an openly gay child like the teacher in the story thats crap because they "revised"

but i do agree with you in general, we do sign away things all the time BY CHOICE
in this case its really not by choice sine they changed it
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They sign one-year contracts. Employment contracts change all the time. There are probably dozens of major corporations who contract with their employees in that way. Or, even less formal, have such statements in their Employee Handbooks. Don't like a new contract? Don't sign it.
 
ChezC3 said:
What detractors don't get in their refusal to respect other people's beliefs is that a main part of the Catholic curriculum and one of the main reasons why parents send their children to Catholic schools is to incorporate Catholic teaching, Catholic morality into their children's learning experience. If teachers do not subscribe to Catholic teaching or hold views on morality consistent with the teachings of the Catholic Church than they are not fulfilling their expected duties as teachers in the Catholic education system.

Essentially to put this into purely secular terms -- what the Catholic Church is doing is tantamount to Coca-Cola making their employees sign a contract stipulating that they will not advertise, promote, or sell Pepsi.

it amazes me that people actually would have a problem with this. It is also indicative to their true intentions and motivations.
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100% factually false since that is under the control and choice of a coca-cola employee

if a teacher already has an openly gay child or a child that was already born to artificial insemination then thats not under thier control.
Your analogy completely fails.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
Maybe, or maybe she will bring awareness to the cause and if enough parents respect her and like her as a teacher for their children they will put pressure on the school to make some changes. She has nothing to lose.
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or those parents can send their kids to a public school if they don't want to have their kids educated by Catholics..

nothing except her job...
 
MaggieD said:
They sign one-year contracts. Employment contracts change all the time. There are probably dozens of major corporations who contract with their employees in that way. Or, even less formal, have such statements in their Employee Handbooks. Don't like a new contract? Don't sign it.
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yes again i agree but typically the contracts change in a manner that is under the employees control, HUGE difference, because it will have ZERO to do with signing in this case.


what if a teacher already has a child by artificial insemination?

so basically what this contract does is it fires anybody that has already had artificial insemination even though when they started there there was NOTHING against that. Thats crap.

In a case like this where the employee doesnt get a choice tendered, older employees shouldnt have to follow the contract if its somethign they cant control.

What would does a person do about thier already born 12yr old that cam from artificial insemination?
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
I was because she is in your article which is part of the OP. Mind answering?
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I do mind as I don't like your impertinent tone.

However, if you read the article and the commentary you can deduce it on your own.
 
ChezC3 said:
or those parents can send their kids to a public school if they don't want to have their kids educated by Catholics..

nothing except her job...
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Obviously, if enough parents don't want her there because her son is gay and she supports him, they will fire her. I have a feeling most people are not so closed minded. They would be more concerned about her as a teacher than her son's life style. That, of course, is just a hunch.
 
rabbitcaebannog said:
Maybe, or maybe she will bring awareness to the cause and if enough parents respect her and like her as a teacher for their children they will put pressure on the school to make some changes. She has nothing to lose.
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except her job, income and "possible" rights being violated ;)

hopefully this gets enough traction and its either thrown out or tendered teachers (already employed) will not have to abide by anything NEW in the contract that already exists and they cant control but will have to follow in the future if they can control it. And what will help is that the schools do not operate with the same rights as an actual church its different and court cases have proved that.
 
AGENT J said:
yes again i agree but typically the contracts change in a manner that is under the employees control, HUGE difference, because it will have ZERO to do with signing in this case.

what if a teacher already has a child by artificial insemination?

so basically what this contract does is it fires anybody that has already had artificial insemination even though when they started there there was NOTHING against that. Thats crap.

In a case like this where the employee doesnt get a choice tendered, older employees shouldnt have to follow the contract if its somethign they cant control.

What would does a person do about thier already born 12yr old that cam from artificial insemination?
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You're reading your own interpretation into the article. It says nothing of the kind re artificial insemination. Where are you getting that ****? Here's the only thing we have to work with:

It has a laundry list of violations teachers must stay away from.

This includes public support of homosexuality, sexual activity out of wedlock and artificial insemination.

Read more: Cincinnati Catholics pound pavement in protest | Local News - WLWT Home
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How do YOU define "public support"? That's not talking about it in one's living room.
 
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