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"If you can't see the menace you are part of it."

The actual number quoted is about 11 million, so where does your 20 million come from?

Okay, I looked it up and 10-12 million give or take is the more quoted number.

That's 10-12 million people that need to leave the USA. And their employers need to be fined or jailed.
 
Many studies have little value these days, and "peer reviewed" has lost much merit since many of the "peers" already believe the narratives the studies profess to prove.

Regarding studies in general:




And for "peer review":



One problem is that in academia ideology plays a role when it comes to both peer review and publication.

Another is assumption bias, where those developing a study are seeking to prove something and design the study to do exactly that.

This does not mean that all studies are bad, and that peer review is unreasonable, but it does mean that one should not trust any study that has not been duplicated and has not been examined for possible bias in the research.

So I tend to take studies like this with a grain of salt. :coffeepap:


He's been spamming that for like the whole time he's been here. Nice try, but I doubt he'll stop.
 
1. Very few people "hate immigrants." The vast majority of those of us opposed to past border policies are concerned about massive ILLEGAL migrants/immigrants.

Well, it looks like you started right out of the gate with a lie. Let's be clear that hate, like love, is an action, not a feeling. If you are aware that people are leaving their homes and walking thousands of miles for a small chance of a better life, it absolutely IS an act of hatred to actively deny them that chance. The conservatives aren't calling for or coming up with any ideas to make Central America a better place to live, they are just being paranoid about what these poor, brown people will do to THEIR country.

If you merely don't want them here, that doesn't take into account WHY they are coming here. Is it OK with you that all of these people must abandon their homes to gangs of violent thugs? Where is the right wing machismo now? Why aren't redneck asswipes demanding that the military step in, knowing as we do how our drug market is hurting innocent people abroad? Why aren't they lining up to fight the gangs on behalf of these displaced refugees who didn't ask to be the collateral damage of our love of cocaine?

There is a disconnect between right wing paranoia and the proposed solutions. A wall will not prevent cartels from operating. Refugee camps will not resolve the REASON for so much human need, it will merely move it closer to home.

To say that these people are not hated is a gross understatement. They are hated inexplicably, which is the worst part. if Americans won't fight or sacrifice to protect our innocent neighbors, if we only send our children to die for corporate interests, if we will borrow money to give to the rich rather than put our money where our values are for moral reasons, what kind of country are we? I'll tell you, a weak, greedy, hateful one. it's undeniable.
 
Lol..


There isn't a political figure on the scene who has laid it out as clearly and truly as Jim Carrey did last night.


https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...g-la-bafta-awards_us_5bd4a79ce4b0d38b58841293

'With “Modern Times,” he criticized capitalism without a conscience, and that’s what we have now: capitalism without a conscience. He showed the common man being fed through years of brutal dehumanizing industrial age. He took on the American right wing of its day and its worst evils: hatred of immigrants, contempt of the truth, greed, and the abuse of power. We are fighting those same evils today.'
 
Well, it looks like you started right out of the gate with a lie.

One problem with so many of you "progressives" is the tendency to assert that something is a "lie," (or calling someone a liar) simply because you chose not to believe them...not because you have actually proven what they said to be factually untrue. This is especially strange when someone makes a generalization like my statement "very few people hate immigrants." Immigrants being a set of all people seeking to become citizens of a new country. That set contains all immigrants, and even if you believe that certain segments of our population are racist, that must mean they would probably not hate those of their own race immigrating.

Let's be clear that hate, like love, is an action, not a feeling.
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I don't know where you got this definition from, but Hate is not an "action," nor is Love, both of those are "emotions." The definition of emotion is:

Emotion: The affective aspect of consciousness : feeling, : a state of feeling, : a conscious mental reaction (such as anger or fear) subjectively experienced as strong feeling usually directed toward a specific object and typically accompanied by physiological and behavioral changes in the body
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/emotion

I bet you are using SJW definitions that change the meanings of things, ex. words are violence, free association is racism, and emotion is action. But words have meanings and hate is a feeling that can lead to action...or not.

If you are aware that people are leaving their homes and walking thousands of miles for a small chance of a better life, it absolutely IS an act of hatred to actively deny them that chance...

If you merely don't want them here, that doesn't take into account WHY they are coming here. Is it OK with you that all of these people must abandon their homes to gangs of violent thugs? Where is the right wing machismo now? Why aren't redneck asswipes demanding that the military step in, knowing as we do how our drug market is hurting innocent people abroad? Why aren't they lining up to fight the gangs on behalf of these displaced refugees who didn't ask to be the collateral damage of our love of cocaine?

Why do you think WE are responsible for what happens in any other part of the world? I am all for NON-interference in foreign lands unless those lands pose a clear and present danger to our national sovereignty and citizenry. In THAT case we go to war to protect OUR citizens. I expect people in other countries to exhibit some of those American ideals presented in our Declaration of Independence and take care of their own problems.

...A wall will not prevent cartels from operating. Refugee camps will not resolve the REASON for so much human need, it will merely move it closer to home.

Sigh. Walls do work.

Why do you have walls around your home? A truly dedicated criminal, given time and no fear of either police or your own actions, can break in eventually. Yet you still have walls to protect both you and your property from weather, bugs, snooping, criminals, and squatters to name a few of the threats to your safety and well-being. You also have doors to channelize visitors so you can control entry to those you WANT to enter. You can call the police for aid, and you have a right to keep and bear arms to protect yourself until the police arrive.

If walls did not work, we simply would not use them at all.

To say that these people are not hated is a gross understatement. They are hated inexplicably, which is the worst part. if Americans won't fight or sacrifice to protect our innocent neighbors, if we only send our children to die for corporate interests, if we will borrow money to give to the rich rather than put our money where our values are for moral reasons, what kind of country are we? I'll tell you, a weak, greedy, hateful one. it's undeniable.

I did not say "these people are not hated," I said "very few people hate them." (Very few being a relative term when discussing over 300 million people).

I certainly don't hate them, an no one of my acquaintance hates them. We may be angered at their attempts to break our laws for their own gain, just like we would any criminal who tries to rob us, assault us, or otherwise violates our laws.

That leads to the last point. If any of these alleged "refugees" are truly fleeing then Mexico is the first safe harbor and they should stay there. If any want to immigrate then like anyone else around the world they should follow the legal methods of immigration.
 
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Okay, I looked it up and 10-12 million give or take is the more quoted number.

That's 10-12 million people that need to leave the USA. And their employers need to be fined or jailed.

Just tell us your plan for removing them!
 
1. Very few people "hate immigrants." The vast majority of those of us opposed to past border policies are concerned about massive ILLEGAL migrants/immigrants. There are legal methods you know.

2. IMO people like Carrey and other socialists are the ones who have contempt for the "truth," as they spout propaganda and lies in order to achieve their own goals.

3. Greed? Well there are always going to be greedy people, it's a small part of human nature. Still, it is one thing to oppose "greediness" and quite another to despise free enterprise and the desire to be financially secure.

4. Abuse of power occurs in all forms of government. Yet it is brought to light and dealt with more often then not in free societies as opposed to those of controlled socialist/communist societies. It seems that history shows us how every Leftist society has killed and imprisoned more people than all others combined in the name of conformity and other Leftist "ideals."

If we didn't have the freedom in an open society to express ourselves for and against things, neither you nor Mr. Carrey would have the freedom to talk about such viewpoints. There would be some "commissar" checking to make certain they conformed with government "right-think." :coffeepap:

Indeed.

Carey, as well as all the rest of the Celebutards in Hollyweird who spout off leftist BS talking points are so ensconced in their land of Hollyweird make-believe as to be completely out of touch with reality, as we can see on a daily basis and not should be taken seriously when they stray from their profession, which is entertainment and make-believe.

I pity those who take these celebutards seriously.
 
Another guy that got rich via capitalism, talking smack about capitalism. And, he's doing so manically, to a room full of neurotic hypocrites just like himself.
 
One problem with so many of you "progressives" is the tendency to assert that something is a "lie," (or calling someone a liar) simply because you chose not to believe them

It's a lie that "very few people hate immigrants". Clearly, a sufficient number of people hate them enough to see them starve or die from violence rather than allow them to cross the border to safety. What is it, if not hate, to stand by as others suffer? Since when do our actions not indicate our mental state and since when are they not worth considering? If your daughter is being raped and I stand there and watch, would you not assume that I had a strong dislike of her, easily called hate? If we don't act for their benefit, we have acted against them. Deal with it.

I don't know where you got this definition from, but Hate is not an "action," nor is Love, both of those are "emotions." The definition of emotion is:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/emotion

Well, so much of shameless conservative apathy is explained by your lazy way of defining love. Love, then, according to you, is an abstract concept with no real meaning or moral continuity. Therefore, when some conservative says "god is love", what they mean is that god is an abstract, indefinable emotional need. Yes, I can see now how they excuse so much suffering that way. There is no moral standard for their love.

I bet you are using SJW definitions that change the meanings of things, ex. words are violence, free association is racism, and emotion is action. But words have meanings and hate is a feeling that can lead to action...or not.

What good are meanings when they mean nothing, like your definitions of love and hate? Hate, by the way, is a feeling that can lead to IN-ACTION, too, which is a choice as well, like the apathy I just spoke of. Ignoring suffering is immoral, period. Watching children starve is not morally neutral and you know it.

Why do you think WE are responsible for what happens in any other part of the world?

The right claims we are a Christian nation, correct? What part of "love thy neighbor" is confusing? The right wingers are hypocrites to pretend to be Christians and ignore Jesus' most primary demand of them. The choice is even more clear for the atheists and humanists, as basic morality demands we not ignore this massive human need. We have to care about other people because we expect them to care about us. Their problems are OUR problems when injustice is done and we claim to be a country of the brave.

Sigh. Walls do work.

Yes, to make microphalic, ethnocentric elitists feel better.

Why do you have walls around your home? A truly dedicated criminal, given time and no fear of either police or your own actions, can break in eventually. Yet you still have walls to protect both you and your property from weather, bugs, snooping, criminals, and squatters to name a few of the threats to your safety and well-being. You also have doors to channelize visitors so you can control entry to those you WANT to enter. You can call the police for aid, and you have a right to keep and bear arms to protect yourself until the police arrive.


How ironic that you see your walls as the way to keep out the homeless, the police a force to punish them and our guns to murder them if all else fails. What a rich tapestry of paranoia and moral irony you weave. Do I assume that anyone who breaches our border you consider the equivalent of a home invader, subject to death?

If walls did not work, we simply would not use them at all.

They don't work. They're constantly finding tunnels beneath them. Like I said, they only work to placate the simple minded. No wall can resist human need. It's naïve to believe they can.

I did not say "these people are not hated," I said "very few people hate them." (Very few being a relative term when discussing over 300 million people).

I certainly don't hate them, an no one of my acquaintance hates them. We may be angered at their attempts to break our laws for their own gain, just like we would any criminal who tries to rob us, assault us, or otherwise violates our laws.

Are you OK with the law being used to justify our apathy to suffering? I think that's a pretty petty cop out.

That leads to the last point. If any of these alleged "refugees" are truly fleeing then Mexico is the first safe harbor and they should stay there. If any want to immigrate then like anyone else around the world they should follow the legal methods of immigration.

Refugees are people in need. Whether we accept them as citizens is irrelevant to whether we should give them aid and not just paperwork to fill out. Using the law to excuse your apathy cheapens the law.
 
There isn't a political figure on the scene who has laid it out as clearly and truly as Jim Carrey did last night.


https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...g-la-bafta-awards_us_5bd4a79ce4b0d38b58841293

'With “Modern Times,” he criticized capitalism without a conscience, and that’s what we have now: capitalism without a conscience. He showed the common man being fed through years of brutal dehumanizing industrial age. He took on the American right wing of its day and its worst evils: hatred of immigrants, contempt of the truth, greed, and the abuse of power. We are fighting those same evils today.'

OK, so just went over the edge again......nothing new here.
 
Talented fellow, that Jim Carrey.
But he tries so hard for relevance by appealing to a certain crowd by saying certifiably dumb things that he comes off as a lunatic.
Of course, I might be wrong, he might be actually be a lunatic.
 
Well gee...what do you call the current caravan of several thousand people who forced their way across Mexico's southern border and are moving north to OUR border with every intention of forcing their way in as well?

How about the last caravan that led to the "problems" of child separation (not caused by Trump but by an Obama-era 9th Circuit Court decision), and the "catch-and-release" policy which Obama instigated to overcome that separation problem encouraging more mass migrations from South and Central America?

I'd say that plus our prior history of such "mass migrations" requiring "amnesty programs" and DACA would equate to "MASSIVE illegal immigration."

Comment to your last statement, so was it a Lie when trump and Repubs said that those covered under DACA deserved to be protected and that they would support giving them protected status? Supposedly they were going to address the issue last year and so far nothing has happened, so does everyone have to wait for the Dems to take control of the House for the issue to be dealt with, and will the Repubs support it or prove they are liars?
 
I guess the truth he spoke hurts those it applies to too much. So, I can see why they refuse to take him seriously. But, he did nail them right between the eyes.

Oh, and to the op--great title. That nails it too.

Only Communists errr Socialist agree. No surprise you do.

Carry, IMO, is a comedic genius...his politics, not so much.
 
There are many jobs that Americans wont do, and if not for these Latinos, our economy would be in a world of hurt.
There is nothing you can do to remove these millions of people, unless you take away their employment opportunity. Is corporate America going to give up a prime source of cheap labor?

Illegals changed the business model some time ago. We might as well force prisoners to work off their sentences.
 
Comment to your last statement, so was it a Lie when trump and Repubs said that those covered under DACA deserved to be protected and that they would support giving them protected status? Supposedly they were going to address the issue last year and so far nothing has happened, so does everyone have to wait for the Dems to take control of the House for the issue to be dealt with, and will the Repubs support it or prove they are liars?

I don't speak for this Administration, if they wish to give another "amnesty" to a group of people granted special status by a prior executive order, then fine.

I personally oppose "amnesty" as a matter of course, having lived through too many damned "Amnesties" passed by Congress over the years...each one promising to be the last:

The Seven Amnesties Passed by Congress
1. Immigration and Reform Control Act (IRCA), 1986: A blanket amnesty for some 2.7 million illegal aliens
2. Section 245(i) Amnesty, 1994: A temporary rolling amnesty for 578,000 illegal aliens
3. Section 245(i) Extension Amnesty, 1997: An extension of the rolling amnesty created in 1994
4. Nicaraguan Adjustment and Central American Relief Act (NACARA) Amnesty, 1997: An amnesty for close to one million illegal aliens from Central America
5. Haitian Refugee Immigration Fairness Act Amnesty (HRIFA), 1998: An amnesty for 125,000 illegal aliens from Haiti
6. Late Amnesty, 2000: An amnesty for some illegal aliens who claim they should have been amnestied under the 1986 IRCA amnesty, an estimated 400,000 illegal aliens
7. LIFE Act Amnesty, 2000: A reinstatement of the rolling Section 245(i) amnesty, an estimated 900,000 illegal aliens
https://www.numbersusa.com/content/learn/illegal-immigration/seven-amnesties-passed-congress.html

What the hell do we have borders and immigration law for if we keep allowing people who happen to be close enough to WALK and can flood our country illegally free passes until bleeding hearts push another amnesty?
 
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Comment to your last statement, so was it a Lie when trump and Repubs said that those covered under DACA deserved to be protected and that they would support giving them protected status? Supposedly they were going to address the issue last year and so far nothing has happened, so does everyone have to wait for the Dems to take control of the House for the issue to be dealt with, and will the Repubs support it or prove they are liars?
They said they would do if certain conditions were met and those conditions have not been met.

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I don't speak for this Administration, if they wish to give another "amnesty" to a group of people granted special status by a prior executive order, then fine.
I assume you are fine with the DACA amnesty, if ever addressed. Good to know.
 
They said they would do if certain conditions were met and those conditions have not been met.

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Yes, Congress did pass an immigration reform Bill, trump nixed it because it did not include Billions for his wall. Thanks for reminding everyone.
 
Only Communists errr Socialist agree. No surprise you do.

Carry, IMO, is a comedic genius...his politics, not so much.

Oops, I didn't mean to like your post. Carry is a comedic genius and his political awareness is on point as well. I think you and many others are going to be eating a lot of crow some day, when the depth of Trump's deceptions and the damage he does are more widely known.
 
Oops, I didn't mean to like your post. Carry is a comedic genius and his political awareness is on point as well. I think you and many others are going to be eating a lot of crow some day, when the depth of Trump's deceptions and the damage he does are more widely known.

Nope, I will feel much better about Trump's accomplishment knowing all I know about who could have been POTUS.
 
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