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If you are a current citizen, can you prove you are a citizen of the United States of America without due process?

If you are a current citizen, can you prove you are a citizen of the United States of America withou

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Jason Warfield said:
The point of the question is, at any given moment that ICE takes you into custody, can you provide proof of citizenship. Keep in mind a driver's license and a Social Security card are NOT considered proof of citizenship.
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Yes I know. I responded to that directly. An enhanced drivers license is proof of citizenship. But not all Americans have one or even drive.

That's why I differentiated between being at home and out in public. Can you respond to what I posted directly?
 
Jason Warfield said:
They are rounding up illegals and they take you into custody without due process (hypothetical).
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Yes I know...however in their cases, they dont have proof of citizenship, obviously. That's why I asked about what, specifically is the due process here? Where does it start? Does it start with legitimate probable cause? (To ask someone for proof of citizenship.)
 
Thank you Lursa for bringing this up.

Pause for a moment folks and look at the thread title. This is what it has come to.
 
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They're not the sharpest tools in the drawer :rolleyes:

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Jason Warfield said:
The context is hypothetical: ICE has come up to you, either at home, place of work or just while you out walking around and takes you into custody for possibly being an illegal alien or in violation immigration status, even though you are an actual citizen of the US and you are denied due process.

Once in custody, can you prove your identity as an American citizen if you are denied due process, or just moments before being cuffed?

This is a hypothetical, so please spare us any posting of "It won't happen to me because...."...or...deign that this is a stupid poll instead of answering yes or no and why. If you can't answer yes or no and possibly give an explanation, please don't bother making a post this poll/thread, just move on to something else. Thank you.
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Sure. Real ID in my wallet, and my notarized birth certificate at home.
 
Captain Adverse said:

Question Asked: "If you are a current citizen, can you prove you are a citizen of the United States of America without due process?"​


The answer is yes, by virtue of several legal documents.

1. A valid State Birth Certificate. (Everyone should retain at least one copy).
2. Copies of my military service documents, and my Veterans Administration I.D. card.
3. A U.S. Passport.

Note: I suppose I could invest in a "Real ID" instead of just getting a regular driver's license, but since I have no current or future intentions to travel outside the USA, I don't see the need for the extra expense.

As for "Due Process," that typically applies to criminal and civil cases of law.

However, Immigration Law applies to migrants and foreign persons seeking asylum, or other temporary status for work, education, or a visa to visit (tourism/work/education).

NOTE: I did not include my Social Security card. This because such can also be issued to legal aliens for work purposes under Section 211 of the SSPA: https://secure.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0300301102
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Do you carry these documents around with you at all times? What if your 'papers' are out of order?

I suppose having to carry proof of citizenship/identity at all times will become the new normal.

MAGA wet dreams are weird.
 
Texas Driver's license (required proof of citizenship for issue)
Military I.D. (Retired)
Social Security Card
Medicare Card
TSA Known Traveler Number
Birth certificate (At home)
Lapsed Passport
 
When it comes down to it ICE determines what they want. They work under quotas mandated by the current administration. Due process is guaranteed by the Constitution. However, the current administration does not recognize the Constitution and the justice system cannot or will not enforce the law.

Donald Trump has already talked about deporting citizens to Africa and other far away places.

Bottom line, if your freedom is denied it doesn’t matter what you can prove.
 
Captain Adverse said:
Note: I suppose I could invest in a "Real ID" instead of just getting a regular driver's license, but since I have no current or future intentions to travel outside the USA, I don't see the need for the extra expense.
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With your passport and VA ID, you are pretty much covered. One or the other is enough for the TSA at airports.
 
MAGAnificent said:
With your passport and VA ID, you are pretty much covered. One or the other is enough for the TSA at airports.
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TSA and ICE are not the same agency.

Your ability to prove your citizenship is only as valid as determined the government. If the government doesn’t ask for or accept your proof it doesn’t matter.
 
Jason Warfield said:
The hypothetical here is that you don't get due process because you are suspected of not being a citizen which some believe means you have no due process. (IRL, which is what I am basing this hypothetical off of). That means you have to be able to provide proof of citizenship in the moment ICE wants to take you into custody (in this hypothetical).

BTW, a Real ID, Social Security card and Veterans Administration ID card are NOT considered proof of citizenship.
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Presumably a passport is documentation of citizenship.
Currently, persons are not required to carry ID in the USA when challenged by law enforcement on the street.
The Republicans fixation with ID to vote seems like a prelude to a national citizen ID system.

Special rules exist within 100 miles of any US border that allow for warrantless searches and expedited expulsion.
 
The question, as I see it, is do we want to resolve the issue or continue to apply it as a divisive campaign issue?
 
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