If thecRittenhouse verdicts are all not guilty, will more rioting help?

[Overitall]

Does rioting ever help anything/anyone?

As far as I can figure it only helps the rioters. In addition to causing great damage to property it can cause bodily harm as well, even for the rioters. Plus it opens the door for looters to get free stuff. Iirc, it might have been AOC who defended the looters getting free stuff at the expense of others losing their livelyhood because they were oppressed or something.

 

[Chomsky]

why do you dishonestly try to smear Rittenhouse with the loaded term "vigilante?

He's not a true Vigilante, but he is a 'Wannabee Cop', and that's not good either. He should have stayed home and protected his Mom & property, rather than inject himself into a riot - legal rights notwithstanding.

 

[j brown's body]

As far as I can figure it only helps the rioters. In addition to causing great damage to property it can cause bodily harm as well, even for the rioters. Plus it opens the door for looters to get free stuff. Iirc, it might have been AOC who defended the looters getting free stuff at the expense of others losing their livelyhood because they were oppressed or something.

It gives right-wingers an opportunity to rationalize an insurrection.

 

[j brown's body]

He's not a true Vigilante, but he is a 'Wannabee Cop', and that's not good either. He should have stayed home and protected his Mom & property, rather than inject himself into a riot - legal rights notwithstanding.

He's basically a vigilante. He just has the blessing of the state.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Does rioting ever help anything/anyone?

It helps the left. Because they activate their brownshirts to cause violence then promise to solve the violence their SA is carrying out.

 

[Nickyjo]

why do you dishonestly try to smear Rittenhouse with the loaded term "vigilante?

Look up the definition. It fits him.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

He's not a true Vigilante, but he is a 'Wannabee Cop', and that's not good either. He should have stayed home and protected his Mom & property, rather than inject himself into a riot - legal rights notwithstanding.

You have literally no evidence of “wannabe cop”

We should actually encourage community members to fight disorder, in the days of Middle English law up until the 19th century it was the obligation of the men of a town to suppress disorder

 

[Overitall]

It gives right-wingers an opportunity to rationalize an insurrection.

I cannot dispute that some "right-wingers" supported the actions of the 1/6 rioters, but I challenge the claim that it's a predominant "right-wing" position. That's painting with a broad brush and says more about the clumsiness of the painter then the painting. But hell! Maybe you could get Hunter to sell that crap.

 

[TurtleDude]

Look up the definition. It fits him.

not as most people use it, and are you of the belief that the use of it here is designed NOT to smear Rittenhouse?

 

[TurtleDude]

He's not a true Vigilante, but he is a 'Wannabee Cop', and that's not good either. He should have stayed home and protected his Mom & property, rather than inject himself into a riot - legal rights notwithstanding.

a wannabe cop would have tried to arrest the Chester when the Chester tried to push a burning dumpster into a building. he did not.

 

[GummyVitamins]

not as most people use it, and are you of the belief that the use of it here is designed NOT to smear Rittenhouse?

If Rittenhouse is a vigilante then so is every bouncer at a bar. But, even that's not a fair comparison to Rittenhouse. He wasn't there to enforce a law or punish people violating a law. He was there to put out fires, help anyone who needed medical support (including rioters), and hoped his presence would minimize property damage at the Car Source locations.

There's no evidence that people from the "militia" did all that much beyond standing around or putting out fires... except for when the mob attacked Rittenhouse. Bouncers physically remove people from property that are trespassing. The "militia" just followed the rioters around with fire extinguishers.

 

[Gaius46]

All not-guilty verdicts would be a double win for righties. They would get to celebrate a vigilante going free, and they would bask in more "See, look at those people" smugness.

Every other American would lose.

No it wouldn't. At issue is whether Rittenhouse acted in self defense. His motives for being there don't matter to the criminal case.

 

[Chomsky]

No one cares anymore about possible BLM riots.

Everyone is tired out.

People are just tuning out on this ethnic stuff.

They are sick & tired of the constant whining and violence.

They know that they cannot do anything about it.

So Mr. R. may or may not be convicted on murder charges.

He WILL be convicted on lesser charges.

He WILL be sent to prison for some years.

He WILL be abused by some fellow inmates and guards.

Most Americans are too busy with their personal problems during this COVID tragedy to care one way or the other.

I agree Rittenhouse will beat the most serious charges, and will add that he may even walk free. Though if I had to wager, I think he'll catch some lessor charge and a year or three as a guest of the state.

I also think I agree that America has soured on the BLM rioters. Hell, many of us were against rioting even if we supported the cause!

 

[GummyVitamins]

All not-guilty verdicts would be a double win for righties. They would get to celebrate a vigilante going free, and they would bask in more "See, look at those people" smugness.

Every other American would lose.

I'm sorry a not-guilty verdict means that violent rioters won't have carte blanche to attack children at future leftist riots. I understand how uncomfortable that could make someone feel. Perhaps we'll have to support legal and non-violent protests in the future. That could be an alternate solution, but I also understand some people are blinded by hate.

 

[Ginger Ale]

If so, who will they help and how?

If not, does the media have a responsibility to urge calm?

Do leaders?

You really seem to want a new riot to talk about so, fingers crossed!

I'll just be astonished if a white kid shoots 3 white men and walks.

The protests usually happen because the white man walks after killing black people because, hey, they're just black people. Hence the reason they chant wanting justice and I would too.

I think shooting white people will get him some time, but let's see, it may start applying to anyone who supports Trump can shoot a libtard and walk depending on the judge and jury. It will be interesting to hear the verdict.

 

[Chomsky]

a wannabe cop would have tried to arrest the Chester when the Chester tried to push a burning dumpster into a building. he did not.

There is the chance the kid was acting altruistically. He did go for EMT ride-along's, after all. You've got to commend that, and use that as possibility his intentions were true.

But like other youths, altruistic intentions sometimes are bolstered by a lack of maturity and the ability to properly judge and assess the outcomes of their actions.

The kid's a very tough call, my friend. He's was only 17, I don't want his life ruined. But we've got to temper that with the deaths incurred. I'm glad I'm not on that jury. I would not want that responsibility. No way. I'm strong on 'Law & Order', and 'Crime & Punishment'. But, I find it very, very, hard to not give a minor or young adult a second chance. "There but for the grace of god, goes I".

 

[rahl]

He mostly is.

he quite demonstrably is not.

The only difference is that they have made vigilantism legal.

words mean things. kyle is by definition, NOT a vigilante.

But even those who engaged in lynching, while illegal, never faced legal punishment. So its a difference without a distinction.

It's a difference and a clear distinction.

 

[jotathought]

If so, who will they help and how?

If not, does the media have a responsibility to urge calm?

Do leaders?

I hope there is rioting .. Biden's America .... and this will occur if (when) there are lesser / no charges for Rittenhouse. The judge already dismissed the firearm charge by a minor, so all the prosecution has to do is convince the jury he went there (Kenosha) as a vigilante!! .... and .. we know that's not going to happen, Rittenhouse will have no or minimal charges, he'll sue every major media outlet and social media platform for defamation, will become a rich man, and will buy one or more AR-15 that he'll carry openly.

Now .. let's see what really happens ..

 

[trouble13]

If so, who will they help and how?

If not, does the media have a responsibility to urge calm?

Do leaders?

If that occurs, I think Democrats should face the same scrutiny that Republicans faced for the mostly peaceful protest on Jan 6th.

 

[Credence]

why do you dishonestly try to smear Rittenhouse with the loaded term "vigilante?

Because that's what he is? LOL Funny the ones that actually were protecting property were on the premises protecting property not running through the streets pointing guns at people KP is a lil punk

 

[Chomsky]

You really seem to want a new riot to talk about so, fingers crossed!

I'll just be astonished if a white kid shoots 3 white men and walks.

The protests usually happen because the white man walks after killing black people because, hey, they're just black people. Hence the reason they chant wanting justice and I would too.

I think shooting white people will get him some time, but let's see, it may start applying to anyone who supports Trump can shoot a libtard and walk depending on the judge and jury. It will be interesting to hear the verdict.

I see two substantive 'things' at play, here:

1] I find it impossible to believe there will not be at least 1 hold-out of the 12 jurors, for self-defense.

however,

2] I also suspect every juror will feel Rittenhouse, regardless of legal technicities, has at least some culpability in precipitating the events that took place that faithful night.

The above are my beliefs. Now how those beliefs are incorporated into a verdict, I really don't know. But, i believe the most likely scenario is Rittenhouse beats the more serious charges, but takes a smaller hit of a year or three on some lessor charge(s). But, that's just a WAG!

 

[Common Sense 1]

Won't help anything.

Decades After L.A. Riots, Watts Still Suffers​

Decades After L.A. Riots, Watts Still Suffers

On a red-hot August night in 1965, the Watts neighborhood of Los Angeles exploded with racial frustration. But 40 years after a traffic stop sparked the Watts riots, which claimed 34 lives, little has changed.

www.npr.org

Detroit at Crossroads 50 Years After Riots Devastated City​

Detroit is still trying to recover from the 1967 riots that left more than 1,400 buildings burned.

Detroit at crossroads 50 years after riots devastated city

Detroit is still trying to recover from the 1967 riots that left more than 1,400 buildings burned.

www.nbcnews.com

Victor Matheson, professor of economics at College of the Holy Cross, looked back at the Rodney King riots, which happened in L.A. in 1992.
“Economic activity in the areas affected didn’t return for at least 10 years,” Matheson said. At least not to previous levels. He said those riots cost almost $5 billion in economic activity measured in lost sales over 10 years. “If people don’t feel safe where their businesses are, then they don’t feel a need to rebuild.”

Economically, riots endure

While every moment of social upheaval is unique, history suggests long recovery periods for economies wracked by violent uprisings.

www.marketplace.org

 

[Credence]

Riots certainly are not the answer but the majority of rioters are opportunists and probably don't even vote. Rioters could really care less about a verdict and many are not even from the community.

 

[Airyaman]

There will be no riots. 1) Rittenhouse is not a cop who shot people and 2) his victims were white.

 

[Lutherf]

If so, who will they help and how?

If not, does the media have a responsibility to urge calm?

Do leaders?

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