If the governor of your state called up the militia to confiscate guns, would you show up?

[Lursa]

The chemistry of gun powder is how many centuries old?

Good point!

Your point being?

I was agreeing with you.

 

[Rich2018]

We don't need the weapons they have, this isn't going to go down as two armies facing each other on a battle field.

That's why I keep saying gorilla war.

* Guerrilla

A "gorilla" is a large ape, indigenous to Africa,

 

[nvflash]

It's "guerilla."

It's a damned poor mind indeed that can't think of at least two ways to spell any word -General Andrew Jackson

 

[Lursa]

It's a damned poor mind indeed that can't think of at least two ways to spell any word -General Andrew Jackson

And the choice of that spelling is an indication of credibility, education, and desire for accurate communication.

 

[nvflash]

And the choice of that spelling is an indication of credibility, education, and desire for accurate communication.

Don't judge a book by it's cover.

Tho casting a good spell is an art form.

 

[Lursa]

Don't judge a book by it's cover.

I dont, I 'judge' it by its contents and by its credibility. See: above.

Tho casting a good spell is an art form.

Non sequitur

 

[Rich2018]

It's a damned poor mind indeed that can't think of at least two ways to spell any word -General Andrew Jackson

Except gorilla and guerrilla are two DIFFERENT words - that just sound similar.

Like reign, rein and rain.

 

[nvflash]

Except gorilla and guerrilla are two DIFFERENT words - that just sound similar.

Like reign, rein and rain.

 

[BlueTex]

So they'll outlaw gunpowder in America? Bye bye fireworks! Cuz we all collect brass and you can make what else you need for primers.

There is a HUGE difference in gunpowder versus smokeless powder used in all ammo in the US..

 

[Lursa]

There is a HUGE difference in gunpowder versus smokeless powder used in all ammo in the US..

Yeah but we'd come up with it. Or sumthin.

 

[BlueTex]

Yeah but we'd come up with it. Or sumthin.

LOL.. sure, nobody has ever tried to come up with an equivalent till the great civil war....

 

[Lursa]

LOL.. sure, nobody has ever tried to come up with an equivalent till the great civil war....

They are components. I'm sure they have other uses...cant be bothered to check.

You figuring it's a good idea to create more 'controlled substances?' An idea that fails pretty much every time?

 

[Ikari]

We don't need the weapons they have, this isn't going to go down as two armies facing each other on a battle field.

That's why I keep saying gorilla war.



Not in this county, I'm not sure where you live, but we have stand your ground laws, ie we can use force.

We can....but you ain't gonna get enough folk to really make a difference.

 

[Wayne Jr]

No need to take them... Stop manufacturing them and the ammunition for them and they become useless relics over time...

I've been telling pro-gun this for ages, that there won't be a door-to-door confiscation, they'll just stop making them and eventually your supply will run out. It's exactly how they 'confiscated' machine guns.

 

[Wayne Jr]

Yes, Millions of AK's and AR's out there

No ammunition tho

 

[TurtleDude]

No ammunition tho

there's billions of rounds in the USA.

 

[Ikari]

For the reasons I already provided (and you really ignored...you are just looking at mass population. That applies to NK, pretty much any country. It's a facile generalization IMO, and culture and education plays heavily into it. Like I said, I'm not sure about the education level today of some of those billions.) I still disagree. Your assumption is a willingness to just throw bodies at higher technology. They didnt apply any of that (bodily rebellion) in the previous revolution. Their culture is also much more hierarchical. Some of those people still deify their leaders. It's a culture of obedience.

NK has the same, even more complete, control over a much smaller population. IMO it's not about numbers.

OTOH, the US has a history of it. See: Revolutionary War, Civil War. The Alamo (even legends have their power). The civil disobedience and rebellion I referred to in the books are much more strategic. Again, see Afghanistan and N. Vietnam.

Previous revolutions in the US didn't have the tech we have now. The shit the government has is mind boggling, and beyond that the US is one of the best countries to live in despite our faults. We're First World, all the comforts. People in China are literally jumping to their deaths from company dormatories, so much so that they had to start putting up nets, and they still hadn't done anything.

So with the major, MAJOR disadvantage of arms between the People and Government and our comfort level....who's fighting this revolution? Who is throwing away their future? Their 401K? Their families future? Their house? Their First World comfort for this "revolution"? People would much rather just tweet about bullshit than actually do anything about it. Even if you get a revolution going, it's not going to gain enough popular support and it can easily be squashed by the government should the government decide to throw its might against it. We ain't ISIS, we ain't living in caves trying to damn the man here. We're living large with our internet and Starbucks and craft beers and Reality TV.

You ain't getting the support necessary to start and sustain a revolution. You might get pockets of resistance, but it's never going to aggregate into anything substantial. And that's just how it is, culturally, in America. The days of the Revolution, of the Civil War, are long long past. Something we can brag about safely behind our keyboards, but won't do anything about on whole if something changes. Less we're driven into 2nd World territory, it ain't gonna change. We have our Soma, and we're rolling with it.

 

[Ikari]

There is a HUGE difference in gunpowder versus smokeless powder used in all ammo in the US..

There's also a huge difference between gunpowder and GPS guided munitions. We're not going to home grow the type of weaponry the Government currently has.

 

[Wayne Jr]

there's billions of rounds in the USA.

it's not like the ammunition is evenly distributed to each gun owner. A few hoarders have a supply that they aren't using or selling and the rest of us have back-orders.

 

[TurtleDude]

it's not like the ammunition is evenly distributed to each gun owner. A few hoarders have a supply that they aren't using or selling and the rest of us have back-orders.

true, many of us serious competitive shooters took advantage of the Trump slump and bought ammo when the dealers couldn't hardly give it away

 

[Lursa]

Previous revolutions in the US didn't have the tech we have now. The shit the government has is mind boggling, and beyond that the US is one of the best countries to live in despite our faults. We're First World, all the comforts. People in China are literally jumping to their deaths from company dormatories, so much so that they had to start putting up nets, and they still hadn't done anything.

It's not about tech. The other country's attitudes, cultures, are the reason, not tech. Not sure why you keep ignoring the asymmetrical warfare aspect. Maybe I'm taking it for granted because I've seen it spelled out in multiple scenarios in my reading. The American people you're thinking of that are so 'comfortable' are not the ones that would stand up or sacrifice for their guns. But there are plenty of them that live for the idea (unfortunately). Entire communities. There would be plenty to make the examples I mentioned...it wouldnt take many. A handful. The visuals would be horrific and the optics incredibly unpopular.

And the American people wouldnt take it. The govt wouldnt stomach it. And the cops/Nat Guard wouldnt keep risking killing fellow Americans, in many cases with whom they shared the same views.

So with the major, MAJOR disadvantage of arms between the People and Government and our comfort level....who's fighting this revolution? Who is throwing away their future? Their 401K? Their families future? Their house? Their First World comfort for this "revolution"? People would much rather just tweet about bullshit than actually do anything about it. Even if you get a revolution going, it's not going to gain enough popular support and it can easily be squashed by the government should the government decide to throw its might against it. We ain't ISIS, we ain't living in caves trying to damn the man here. We're living large with our internet and Starbucks and craft beers and Reality TV.

It's not an organized 'fight.' I've never said that, I hope I've never even implied it. It's still hundreds tho. There are thousands and thousands of preppers that discuss this all the time (I've been a member of 2 prepper forums.) It will only take a handful of resistant families. That get 'Ruby Ridged.' "Waco'ed" How many of those do you think it would take? What cops or Nat Guards are going to take that risk day after day, in fear of that happening? Many will bail. Go awol. Because they believe the same and cant deal with the thought they might kill families.

You ain't getting the support necessary to start and sustain a revolution. You might get pockets of resistance, but it's never going to aggregate into anything substantial. And that's just how it is, culturally, in America. The days of the Revolution, of the Civil War, are long long past. Something we can brag about safely behind our keyboards, but won't do anything about on whole if something changes. Less we're driven into 2nd World territory, it ain't gonna change. We have our Soma, and we're rolling with it.

Sorry, never mentioned a revolution except perhaps in 'attitude.' Those pockets of resistance are all it will take...because the govt and American people dont know when the next 'family' will die. Or how many of those 'patriots' are out there. Yeah...that's what they'll seem like, patriots and martyrs. You think the nightly 'cops shoot another black guy' are creating people protesting in the streets and screaming for justice? Have the govt start going door to door and having shootouts with families...even if it's one every week or so. It will take about a handful to look like a trend....and then people will be watching the news every night for the next one...just like these cop shootings.

Cheers! (we havent even discussed what 'it would look like' if the govt came to you door and asked for your guns and you said, they're gone. I 'lost them in a boating accident.' Would they search your home without your consent? What if they didnt find the guns? Are they coming back? Watching you? It's not even a feasible process and it would be crazy expensive. But I've been avoiding logistics )

 

[nvflash]

Previous revolutions in the US didn't have the tech we have now. The shit the government has is mind boggling, and beyond that the US is one of the best countries to live in despite our faults. We're First World, all the comforts. People in China are literally jumping to their deaths from company dormatories, so much so that they had to start putting up nets, and they still hadn't done anything.

So with the major, MAJOR disadvantage of arms between the People and Government and our comfort level....who's fighting this revolution? Who is throwing away their future? Their 401K? Their families future? Their house? Their First World comfort for this "revolution"? People would much rather just tweet about bullshit than actually do anything about it. Even if you get a revolution going, it's not going to gain enough popular support and it can easily be squashed by the government should the government decide to throw its might against it. We ain't ISIS, we ain't living in caves trying to damn the man here. We're living large with our internet and Starbucks and craft beers and Reality TV.

You ain't getting the support necessary to start and sustain a revolution. You might get pockets of resistance, but it's never going to aggregate into anything substantial. And that's just how it is, culturally, in America. The days of the Revolution, of the Civil War, are long long past. Something we can brag about safely behind our keyboards, but won't do anything about on whole if something changes. Less we're driven into 2nd World territory, it ain't gonna change. We have our Soma, and we're rolling with it.

Maybe in your family, not in mine, we are fighters., clinging to of guns, our bibles, and our flags.

Try and take that away, we will shoot you with out guns, stand over your body with our flags, and pray for your soul with our bibles.

 

[nvflash]

Cheers! (we havent even discussed what 'it would look like' if the govt came to you door and asked for your guns and you said, they're gone. I 'lost them in a boating accident.' Would they search your home without your consent? What if they didnt find the guns? Are they coming back? Watching you? It's not even a feasible process and it would be crazy expensive. But I've been avoiding logistics )

This is 100% correct, bare in mind the premise of the thread was 'assault-type' weapons, not 100% gun confiscation. There is no master list of who owns what, lots of people buy and sell at gun show where there is no record what so ever.

Guns will almost last forever, wrap them in oily rags, stuff them into a Rubbermaid container, and bury them, only dig them up when you 'need' them.

Anyway, Biden is the best thing to happen for the gun manufacturing and sales business since Obama, and the more the extreme alt-left talks about socialism and gun control, the better people arm themselves.

Thanks for the $1400 check Joe, got me a new 590M.

 

[Ikari]

Maybe in your family, not in mine, we are fighters., clinging to of guns, our bibles, and our flags.

Try and take that away, we will shoot you with out guns, stand over your body with our flags, and pray for your soul with our bibles.

Don't buy it.

 

[BlueTex]

Maybe in your family, not in mine, we are fighters., clinging to of guns, our bibles, and our flags.

Try and take that away, we will shoot you with out guns, stand over your body with our flags, and pray for your soul with our bibles.

Everyone is a badass on the internet, when reality comes calling, not so much