If someone has a face mask on, will not identify themselves, and states they are from ICE should you assume they actually are?

[devildavid]

A man pretending to be law enforce just assassinated a Minnesota politician. We have the right to have any law enforcement officers of any kind identify themselves, tell us why they are there, and what we are being taken in for. If not, this just allowing a police state. A police state violates our constitutional rights.

 

[George50]

Here in the US, we have a legal right to defend ourselves against kidnappers and right now ICE's practices are yielding a huge opportunity for people to act as if they are part of ICE and kidnap people. Given the ambiguity that ICE is creating, should the assumption be that these people are legitimately part of law enforcement?

It depends on the color of your skin. If you are white, and assuming you are not doing anything wrong, then you know that the people trying to kidnap you are not ICE.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

Funny thing, neither are common criminal kidnappers.

So, how do you tell the difference? Do you have to wait to see where they take you? If they take you to a jail of some sort, ok. If they take you to a remote cabin in the mountains where they rape and torture you, then you'll probably have an idea they weren't ICE agents.

Just need to be patient, wait and see, right?

As I react with irritation at those who gripe that they've already addressed some issue, I'll cut you the same slack I expect to receive. That statement was made in response to a poster responding to this post, where I explicitly state law enforcement should show badges to those they are apprehending.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

Remember the Minnesota shooter had a badge.

I'd want to see the proper ID.

Now that won't guarantee that the ICE officer is legit. People have acquired fake IDs...

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I'm not sure your point, unless it's that cops can't do enforcement anywhere, ever, because some malicious actors have been known to occasionally acquire fraudulent badges and credentials.

 

[anatta]

I assume anyone wearing mask is not my business to ask if they are doing it for disease control or other
There should be a law that using a mask to commit a crime increases it to an automatic felony

My Russian neighbor is 38 and has COVID for the 6th time..I asked where he got it from. he said "people i hang around with" -
like i said i dont assume anything when people come outside with a mask on

 

[NoMoreDems-Reps]

Here in the US, we have a legal right to defend ourselves against kidnappers and right now ICE's practices are yielding a huge opportunity for people to act as if they are part of ICE and kidnap people. Given the ambiguity that ICE is creating, should the assumption be that these people are legitimately part of law enforcement?

This is not happening !
Stop the fake outrage.
They are getting people that have criminals records and they are going to the places where local Law enforcement has records of them being at.

They don't have to give "OTHER PEOPLE" their info just the criminals that they are arresting.
The Government marked vehicles should give you a clue that they are legit!

Also notice that those plain close guys have local law enforcement near by (typically).

 

[Noodlegawd]

Here in the US, we have a legal right to defend ourselves against kidnappers and right now ICE's practices are yielding a huge opportunity for people to act as if they are part of ICE and kidnap people. Given the ambiguity that ICE is creating, should the assumption be that these people are legitimately part of law enforcement?

Depends. Am I in the country illegally?

 

[Allan]

I'm not sure your point, unless it's that cops can't do enforcement anywhere, ever, because some malicious actors have been known to occasionally acquire fraudulent badges and credentials.

My point is they should show their full ID - badge and card. No face masks.

 

[reinaert]

Stand your ground...right? I mean, they look scary and they wear hoods in public, so..

 

[devildavid]

This is not happening !
Stop the fake outrage.
They are getting people that have criminals records and they are going to the places where local Law enforcement has records of them being at.

They don't have to give "OTHER PEOPLE" their info just the criminals that they are arresting.
The Government marked vehicles should give you a clue that they are legit!

Also notice that those plain close guys have local law enforcement near by (typically).

That isn’t what they are doing.

 

[Peter]

They should be presenting a badge, at minimum, to those they are taking into custody. I don't see the panic about masks, as if you'd recognize them as ICE agents if only you could see their faces. They are not required to identify themselves to any and every goon who walks up and demands to know what they're doing, why, where they're taking the person, and to see a warrant.

Are the police required to identify themselves when interacting with the public?

 

[What if...?]

I don’t know if surprised is the right word for how I feel about the fact that plain-clothes individuals with no visible bonafides are abducting people off the street in broad daylight and nobody does anything except maybe rubberneck. I think the question is what would you do if you see that?

I suspect it’s not a flaw but a feature. Provocation for effect. To justify the clampdown and start the roundups.

So I advocate for theater of the absurd. Their kit is available online. Cameras are in every pocket.

Protest in it. Be meticulous in avoiding violence. Bring your point to the fore with our own provocation for effect. Make up silly songs. Tease and mock not threaten. Remind them that skinny jeans kinda ruin the whole dominance theater thing.

 

[What if...?]

That isn’t what they are doing.

Have you notice that they never actually address a point you make? Just spit whatever they think might be a counter.

Us: “We do not approve of masked men in unmarked cars grabbing folks and disappearing them.”

Them: “vacuum cleaner bubble wand! SO THERE!”

 

[What if...?]

Are the police required to identify themselves when interacting with the public?

Pretty sure that “We are law enforcement! Follow our orders!” Is not actually sufficient as anybody can buy their kit and find a car like theirs.

We already had a guy posing as a cop kill congressfolk.

So ima say no non-MAGA judge would convict you for not following some random guys orders.

Might even be self defense if you were to resist what you can reasonably assume is a kidnapper.

This will make it into the courts at some point. And if they can’t get the right judge it will be declared illegal.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Here in the US, we have a legal right to defend ourselves against kidnappers and right now ICE's practices are yielding a huge opportunity for people to act as if they are part of ICE and kidnap people. Given the ambiguity that ICE is creating, should the assumption be that these people are legitimately part of law enforcement?

You appear quite unsettled that the left cannot dox Ice agents and their families due to masks. What gives?

 

[Slartibartfast]

You appear quite unsettled that the left cannot dox Ice agents and their families due to masks. What gives?

I am absolutely fine with communities knowing what its members are up to professionally and shunning for those who cause harm. If people don't want negative social consequences for their poor behavior, then they should avoid doing those things. Its a natural part of how society self regulates.

 

[MAGAnificent]

If people don't want negative social consequences for their poor behavior, then they should avoid doing those things. Its a natural part of how society self regulates.

Are you applying that to the ass-wipe anti-ICE agitators and rioters who are wearing masks? How about ANTIFA? Those groups are wearing masks to prevent their parents or employers from observing what they are doing. ICE is wearing masks for their own safety and the safety of their families. Doxxing them is not okay.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Are you applying that to the ass-wipe anti-ICE agitators and rioters who are wearing masks? How about ANTIFA? Those groups are wearing masks to prevent their parents or employers from observing what they are doing. ICE is wearing masks for their own safety and the safety of their families. Doxxing them is not okay.

I would be fine with mask bans for protestors as well. In terms of their spouses, they should have made a better choice of who to marry and should also be shunned by the community. Kids should be protected no matter what.

 

[MAGAnificent]

I would be fine with mask bans for protestors as well. In terms of their spouses, they should have made a better choice of who to marry and should also be shunned by the community. Kids should be protected no matter what.

From that, I gather that you just hate ICE agents for enforcing our immigration laws. You want the illegals for the sake of ultimately changing voting demographics in the democrat party's favor. It's not about the masks. You want them to be doxxed.

 

[Slartibartfast]

From that, I gather that you just hate ICE agents for enforcing our immigration laws. You want the illegals for the sake of ultimately changing voting demographics in the democrat party's favor.

If ICE enforced immigration laws in a way that protected civil rights, due process rights, other constitutional rights, without going after citizens at all, and without going after other people such as journalists, then I would have no problem with them. Right now they are acting like fascists and absolutely deserve negative consequences.

 

[MAGAnificent]

If ICE enforced immigration laws in a way that protected civil rights, due process rights, other constitutional rights, without going after citizens at all, and without going after other people such as journalists, then I would have no problem with them. Right now they are acting like fascists and absolutely deserve negative consequences.

Thanks for proving my point. It's not about masks. You are just butthurt that ICE is enforcing our immigration laws.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Thanks for proving my point. It's not about masks. You are just butthurt that ICE is enforcing our immigration laws.

They are enforcing immigration laws in a way that are hurting our nation and should look to Obama's policies (which had far better numbers) on how to do it correctly (with a couple of minor caveats that you will no doubt bring up and I will point out that I already made the caveats).

 

[MAGAnificent]

They are enforcing immigration laws in a way that are hurting our nation and should look to Obama's policies (which had far better numbers) on how to do it correctly (with a couple of minor caveats that you will no doubt bring up and I will point out that I already made the caveats).

It's called deportation. And the vast majority of those now being deported are guilty of crimes like rape, murder, and child molestation.

 

[Slartibartfast]

It's called deportation. And the vast majority of those now being deported are guilty of crimes like rape, murder, and child molestation.

Most of them are "guilty" for not being part of Trump's and Miller's vision for a whiter America and you will be happy to peddle whatever lie you need to help make that happen.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

Are the police required to identify themselves when interacting with the public?

Not on a moment's notice while in the middle of an apprehension.