Listening to some of the talk show host they seem to be under the impression that this will cost a lot of democrats their seats and somehow the republicans will repeal this. So I decided to ask ask this question-
If republicans get a significant majority will they repeal Obama health care reform?
I say no. I think a lot of these politicians say one thing and do another for votes.
why do you feel our gov't has control of your body? i don't understand that line of thinking.
why do you feel our gov't has control of your body? i don't understand that line of thinking.
The government is telling me it is now illegal for me not to buy a goods or service (insurance) that deals specifically with my body, because it now has a vested interest in whether or not my body stays health in regards to health care.
There is not a single, solitary other example I can think of that the government forces you to buy a commodity without any recourse outside of the penalty. Its NOTHING like car insurance where its only required if you're choosing to actually drive a motor vehicle on the road.
The government now has a definitive, substantial stake in health care, meaning that anything that we do that affects it they can claim is under their purview. History has shown us that Congress has zero qualms with taking any minute detail and using it as justification to claim that something is within their jurisdiction. Now suddenly what I eat, what I do, how I choose to deal with my medical expenses, what I choose to do with my body is suddenly the business of the government because it now has a direct affect on an over arching law that doesn't just cover the elderly or veterans but applies to every single solitary American.
Its disgusting, its disgraceful, and its one of the way they shoved this down our throats while acting like they're ****ing parents and we're all children telling us "We're doing what's best for you" makes me sad to see what has happened to American.
Hope and Change baby. If this is hope and change, then **** hope.
The government is telling me it is now illegal for me not to buy a goods or service (insurance) that deals specifically with my body, because it now has a vested interest in whether or not my body stays health in regards to health care.
There is not a single, solitary other example I can think of that the government forces you to buy a commodity without any recourse outside of the penalty. Its NOTHING like car insurance where its only required if you're choosing to actually drive a motor vehicle on the road.
The government now has a definitive, substantial stake in health care, meaning that anything that we do that affects it they can claim is under their purview. History has shown us that Congress has zero qualms with taking any minute detail and using it as justification to claim that something is within their jurisdiction. Now suddenly what I eat, what I do, how I choose to deal with my medical expenses, what I choose to do with my body is suddenly the business of the government because it now has a direct affect on an over arching law that doesn't just cover the elderly or veterans but applies to every single solitary American.
Its disgusting, its disgraceful, and its one of the way they shoved this down our throats while acting like they're ****ing parents and we're all children telling us "We're doing what's best for you" makes me sad to see what has happened to American.
Think about it, what parts are they going to repeal?
Being able to keep your kids on your policy until they are 26? No, it has strong support.
The insurance exchanges? No, people will be using them.
The ban on denying coverage because of preexisting conditions? No, that part has strong support.
Any of the other consumer protections? Nope, not a chance as they all have strong support.
So what are we left with? The insurance mandate. The problem there is that while it is not politically popular, the insurance companies love it. Since the Republicans are in the pocket of the insurance lobby, there is not much of a chance they will repeal that portion of the bill either. They might try to bring back the corporate welfare "Medicare Advantage" overpayments, but that probably all they will touch if they get back into power.
It is no different than mandatory auto insurance in that regard.
If enough Republicans are elected into office with the intent to overturn Obama's socialist health care reform, I believe it can and will be overturned. The taxes will start immediately, but the "benefits" of ObamaCare do not begin until 2013. So, theoretically, the country has about three years to stop socialism before the entitlements begin and it becomes too late to kill the bill. Until the entitlements actually begin, it can be overturned if enough people vote politicians into office with the intent to stop socialism.
You overlook the fact that asumming Dear Leader vetos it, a Conservative majority can still override said veto.They will try, but ultimately Obama would still have to sign the repealing legislation (which he likely won't do). We will have more luck in 2012 to repeal this once a conservative president is in the White House.
Listening to some of the talk show host they seem to be under the impression that this will cost a lot of democrats their seats and somehow the republicans will repeal this. So I decided to ask ask this question-
If republicans get a significant majority will they repeal Obama health care reform?
I say no. I think a lot of these politicians say one thing and do another for votes.
That is the $64,000 question. Basically, I do believe that the Democrats will signifigantly lose their majorities.Aside from the other points that have been made in this thread as to how do you repeal certain measures, SouthernDemocrat details that nicely, do you imagine they could win 19 seats in the Senate? Could they win a veto proof majority in the House?
Just as I had said.That is the only way they have a chance to repeal health care, to override Obama's veto.
You overlook the fact that asumming Dear Leader vetos it, a Conservative majority can still override said veto.
It is entirely different than mandated auto-insurance. No one HAS to buy auto-insurance or suffer a penalty. They can choose to live in an area they can bike to where they need to go or could take public transportation. They can avoid having a car and driving, thus not needing to buy health insurance. That isn't the case with this. Simply having a body, simply EXISTING, is enough in this congresses mind to force you to purchase something under threat of the law.
Oh it will. Democrats will be relegated back into the corner where they belong!Only a conservative supermajority of 2/3rds, in both houses of Congress, can do that. Ain't gonna happen.
You overlook the fact that asumming Dear Leader vetos it, a Conservative majority can still override said veto.
I would certainly LOVE for that to happen, but I doubt conservatives will get the seats necessary to override a veto. I certainly hope so. Maybe some Democrats will join in when they see the rage the American people have against this legislation.
How about all of it??Which parts of the bill would you have them repeal?
How about all of it??
Which parts of the bill would you have them repeal?
For what it's worth, it's literally not possible for the Republicans to repeal the bill before 2012. Even if they won every single Senate seat up for grabs in 2010, they'd only have 59 seats, 8 short of what would be necessary to override Obama's veto.
Scrap the whole damned thing and start over. without the mandatory coverage and other **** like that!So you think it will be politically popular to bring back pre-existing conditions, insurers being able to drop you once you are sick, and not allowing parents to keep their kids on their insurance until they are 26?
You think thats a winner?
All of it. They need to completely start over with a new bill. If anything "good" is in there we can add it to the new bill.
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