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If our Constitution made liberalism, in effect, illegal what should we do with them?.

Re: A very pollyannaish view of history & the World

No, the US didn't save the World single-handedly. The Soviets bled & bled, & did most of the fighting & killing in WWII - look up the combat stats anywhere. We provided a lot of industrial & agricultural muscle, & some troops - again, look @ the manpower the combatants put into the war, the percentage of KIA, WIA, captured, dead of disease & accident.

Western Europe, Japan, & eventually Eastern Europe & the Soviets more or less willingly followed our lead in movies, popular music, consumer goods. But it was often against the sensibilities of the elites & government functionaries. The developed world has prospered, on the whole. Now we're coming up on pollution & environmental contamination, limits to fresh water, arable land, barriers to further expansion of food sources. Yes, the rate of extreme poverty in the World has fallen over the last few decades. It's not clear if we can sustain that, nor for how far into the future.

These are tangible goods - if we can sustain the trend lines. If not, it will be the biggest crash in human history. We can hope that there are technological or biological fixes that we can apply. & that the cures themselves won't entail further & worse problems.

long silly rant if you know what your subject and point was why not share it with us? What do we do with liberals given they are as our founders said, the source of evil in human history?
 
so if you are willing to be drafted to fight the Nazis you don't deserve security or freedom?? How much sense does that make? This is an example of why conservatives are far more intelligent than libertarians.

Conscription is not a consensual act. The draftee is not "willing." I'm seeing no signs of intelligence whatsoever in the things you are saying.

I'm beginning to wonder if you're a person who starts quarrels or upsets people on the Internet to distract and sow discord by posting inflammatory and digressive, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into displaying emotional responses and normalizing tangential discussion, whether for your amusement or a specific gain.
 
Considering the Founders were liberals in their day I'd say that your post is full of crap.
Except, of course, that every "liberal" principle set forth by the Founders had been attacked, distorted and ignored by those today who claim to be "liberals". The Founder concept of liberalism, freedom, limited government and individual responsible/choice is frowned on today by those claiming the liberal label.
 
Conscription is not a consensual act. The draftee is not "willing."

lots of people were willing to be drafted in the world wars etc etc?????????? Do you understand?
 
I'm beginning to wonder if you're a person who starts quarrels or upsets people on the Internet to distractI]


I promote conservatism or its lesser cousin libertarianism. Do you understand??
 
Except, of course, that every "liberal" principle set forth by the Founders had been attacked, distorted and ignored by those today who claim to be "liberals". The Founder concept of liberalism, freedom, limited government and individual responsible/choice is frowned on today by those claiming the liberal label.

very true!! The liberals claim they have something in common with our Founders when they oppose the most basic principles of our Founders.
 
The happiest countries in the world are certainly not conservative. They work together toward goals that are good and fair for everybody.
You mean like Cuba, Venezuela, and North Korea? Maybe Iran?
 
are you trying to say we didn't impose freedom on Europe and Japan after WW2?

I would say that unequivocally. First off, neither you nor I played any part of it, so therefore neither could "we" have. Secondly, if you are referring to the US government, they certainly played a part in starting, and escalating the war by sticking their nose where it didn't belong; but they most certainly did not win it.

And finally, you have no coherent understanding of what freedom is. Freedom is unimpeded choice of action. Government can only serve to impede choice of action. Therefore government and freedom are diametrically opposed concepts. Therefore a government cannot "impose freedom." It cannot grant freedom. It cannot even protect freedom, as they've lead you to believe.
 
I would say that unequivocally. First off, neither you nor I played any part of it, so therefore neither could "we" have. .

obviously "we" was not used literally!!!
 
Secondly, if you are referring to the US government, they certainly played a part in starting, and escalating the war by sticking their nose where it didn't belong; but they most certainly did not win it.
When Japan invaded China and when Germany invaded Poland we belonged on the side of freedom!! We beat Japan wit the bomb and Germany with the men and material to overcome Germany. 1+1=2
 
Government can only serve to impede choice of action.

totally wrong, it can coordinate action like as in defeating Nazis thus saving our freedom. 1+1=2
 
Therefore a government cannot "impose freedom." It cannot grant freedom. It cannot even protect freedom, as they've lead you to believe.

we imposed freedom on Japan, and have protected it ever since. 1+1=2 There is not even a challenge in your arguments as they are kindergarten libetarianism.
 
The biggest slave is one that doesn't know he is one.

do you have an example and reason to think he is a slave? You do a disservice to real slaves with your kindergarten libertarian nonsense
 
we imposed freedom on Japan, and have protected it ever since. 1+1=2 There is not even a challenge in your arguments as they are kindergarten libetarianism.

I take that as a complement. Many of us learned everything we needed to learn about morality in kindergarten. Don't hit and don't steal. It's very easy. Your government that you're a cheerleader for does both.
 
do you have an example and reason to think he is a slave? You do a disservice to real slaves with your kindergarten libertarian nonsense

Of course. Your master steals from you, and tells you what you can and cannot do under threat of force. Hence, slave.
 
Of course. Your master steals from you, and tells you what you can and cannot do under threat of force. Hence, slave.

where do you see this??? Were blacks slaves in 1850?
 
Your government that you're a cheerleader for does both.

American Republican govt is last best hope for freedom on earth! It saved freedom through 2 world wars. You should develop the IQ to be appreciative!
 
no you outed yourself as a liberal by running from debate. Do you want to be a liberal all your life?

You are not logical, intelligent as I am still here, I did not run. I would not play the stupid ignorant game you want.

A very different thing.

If you have a question and a thirst for direction, ask, I'll reply.

If you want to run child games, I am out.
 
Re: A very pollyannaish view of history & the World

nobody said it was single handed??????As a typical America hating liberal you want to be sure America does not get too much credit-right??

Ah, this wasn't you in #142 above:

"USA saved world through two world wars"

That seemed to say single-handed.
 
Re: A very pollyannaish view of history & the World

Ah, this wasn't you in #142 above:

"USA saved world through two world wars"

That seemed to say single-handed.

not really but who cares?? Can you say anything in defense of libsocialism? Ever heard of Cuba /Florida?
 
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