If Liberals Are More Intelligent Than Conservatives, Why Are Liberals So Stupid?

[rahl]

In your mind, that certainly makes sense.

No, in reality.

And a point that liberal DEI staff hubristically missed is that you have a right to your own mind.

However, in other people's minds, things are different. For example, a man might be working as an actor, and be starring in a movie as the "voice of Lady the Golden Retriever". And there's another fellow working as the voice of the Chihuahua. And when (not if) the Chihuahua guy gets deported, somebody might wonder, well can't this other guy be the voice of the Chihuahua? But he can't, because obviously, he's the Golden Retriever. Like it or not, for some context it makes sense.

 

[rahl]

There is such a thing as the DSM and it explains to you what gender identity is.

Which has no basis in reality.

A man can’t become a woman any more than a man can become a chocolate Labrador

 

[Grand Mal]

I know. Men who believe they are women fall under the criteria for delusional disorder.

Who cares. People who think they're patriotic Americans but support Trump have a delusional disorder.

I have and will continue pounding your ideology into the ground with reality.

Apparently you also have a delusional disorder.

 

[rahl]

Who cares.

Rational people.

People who think they're patriotic Americans but support Trump have a delusional disorder.

Non sequitur.

Apparently you also have a delusional disorder.

I’m not a Trump supporter. Whoops

 

[LostInSeattle]

Because there is no such thing.

Because I live in reality.

I’m not making an argument. I’m pointing out reality. A man can’t become a woman anymore than he can become a golden retriever.

It is actually is more complicated than that.

This is an interesting and informative article that traces the history and science of transgender research.

Are trans women ‘biologically male’? The answer is complicated

Republicans are seeking to define ‘sex’ in federal law. But after centuries of debate, doctors, scientists and judges haven’t come to a clear consensus on what the definition of sex should be.

theconversation.com

Until the 1870s, a person's gender/sex was defined only by their external genitalia. Then,

"As transgender medicine emerged as a field of study in the 1920s and 1930s, the gonadal view of sex reigned. Eugen Steinach, an Austrian scientist, conducted studies demonstrating that a guinea pig’s sex could be changed by removing its gonads and replacing them with the gonads of the opposite sex."

"Transgender advocates such as the German physician Magnus Hirschfeld realized that human sex functioned in a similar way to Steinach’s guinea pigs. If the hormonally induced characteristics many people consider “male” and “female” –such as facial hair, breast growth or the pitch of one’s voice – are largely determined by gonads, then a person can change their sex by changing gonads. Therefore, the most common surgeries for trans women at this time consisted of orchiectomies – the removal of testes."

"By the late 1970s, definitions of biological sex were so contested that even Janice Raymond, the 20th century’s most influential anti-transgender theorist, affirmed that scientists understood there to be at least six different types of sex: chromosomal, anatomical, gonadal, hormonal, legal and psychological."

 

[rahl]

It is actually is more complicated than that.

No it isn’t.

This is an interesting and informative article that traces the history and science of transgender research.

Science says a man can’t become a woman. Just like science says a man can’t become a Boston terrier.

Until the 1870s, a person's gender/sex was defined only by their external genitalia. Then,

"As transgender medicine emerged as a field of study in the 1920s and 1930s, the gonadal view of sex reigned. Eugen Steinach, an Austrian scientist, conducted studies demonstrating that a guinea pig’s sex could be changed by removing its gonads and replacing them with the gonads of the opposite sex."

"Transgender advocates such as the German physician Magnus Hirschfeld realized that human sex functioned in a similar way to Steinach’s guinea pigs. If the hormonally induced characteristics many people consider “male” and “female” –such as facial hair, breast growth or the pitch of one’s voice – are largely determined by gonads, then a person can change their sex by changing gonads. Therefore, the most common surgeries for trans women at this time consisted of orchiectomies – the removal of testes."
"By the late 1970s, definitions of biological sex were so contested that even Janice Raymond, the 20th century’s most influential anti-transgender theorist, affirmed that scientists understood there to be at least six different types of sex: chromosomal, anatomical, gonadal, hormonal, legal and psychological."

A man is an adult male. Always has been. A woman is an adult female. Always has been. It’s not possible for a man to become a woman. Just like it’s not possible for a man to become a Saint Bernard.

 

[LostInSeattle]

No it isn’t.

Science says a man can’t become a woman. Just like science says a man can’t become a Boston terrier.

A man is an adult male. Always has been. A woman is an adult female. Always has been. It’s not possible for a man to become a woman. Just like it’s not possible for a man to become a Saint Bernard.

Well, thank you for taking the time to actually read and think about the information in the article I posted. Yes, that's sarcasm. You insist that you know what "science says" but don't provide references or links. The science referenced in the article says differently from what you claim.

 

[rahl]

Well, thank you for taking the time to actually read and think about the information in the article I posted. Yes, that's sarcasm. You insist that you know what "science says" but don't provide references or links.

Biology is the reference.

The science referenced in the article says differently from what you claim.

No it doesn’t. A man can’t become a woman. Just like a man can’t become a Doberman.

 

[noonereal]

"Liberals lack common sense".

Does he, you even understand what common sense is?

 

[LostInSeattle]

Biology is the reference.

No it doesn’t. A man can’t become a woman. Just like a man can’t become a Doberman.

Still haven't bother to read the article I linked. Love the good faith your put into your arguments. (more sarcasm)

Your analogy is stupid, by the way, because we're not talking about interspecies transformations. A man can't become a dog, sure. But a male dog could possible become a female dog through gonad replacement. Same species, different sex.

 

[rahl]

Still haven't bother to read the article I linked.

I read it and refuted it.

Love the good faith your put into your arguments. (more sarcasm)

I’m not making an argument. I’m pointing out facts and reality.

Your analogy is stupid, by the way, because we're not talking about interspecies transformations.

I know. Both are equally impossible though.

A man can't become a dog, sure.

Nor can he become a woman.

But a male dog could possible become a female dog through gonad replacement.

No he can’t. Because his DNA makes him a male. Regardless of what cosmetic surgeries you give him.

Same species, different sex.

It’s not possible to change sexes. Just like it’s not possible to change species.

This is basic grade school level biology.

 

[noonereal]

Still haven't bother to read the article I linked. Love the good faith your put into your arguments. (more sarcasm)

Your analogy is stupid, by the way, because we're not talking about interspecies transformations. A man can't become a dog, sure. But a male dog could possible become a female dog through gonad replacement. Same species, different sex.

The link is bias opinion. Why should anyone read it?

It is published to get hits from people who want to believe.

 

[LostInSeattle]

The link is bias opinion. Why should anyone read it?

It is published to get hits from people who want to believe.

So you didn't read it either. I quoted the part referencing the science, as a way to broaden the discussion from @rahl 's stubbornly blinkered nay-saying. That's all. I mistakenly took him for someone interested in a real conversation.

Now, if you think the scientific references are incorrect, have at it. Would love to see other references saying something different. I'm here to listen, debate and learn, and I expect the same of others.

 

[rahl]

So you didn't read it either. I quoted the part referencing the science, as a way to broaden the discussion from @rahl 's stubbornly blinkered nay-saying. That's all. I mistakenly took him for someone interested in a real conversation.

Now, if you think the scientific references are incorrect, have at it. Would love to see other references saying something different. I'm here to listen, debate and learn, and I expect the same of others.

I’m sorry you reject science and reality. Neither give a shit though. They remain objective reality all the same. A man can’t become a woman. Just like a man can’t become a dolphin.

 

[Master Debator]

Which has no basis in reality.

So you claim. Now do something other than repeat your claim to us.

A man can’t become a woman any more than a man can become a chocolate Labrador

And now explain what this argument means in relation to our argument. No one is suggesting you can change your DNA or chromosomes. That's just you pretending.

 

[LostInSeattle]

It’s not possible to change sexes. Just like it’s not possible to change species.

This is basic grade school level biology.

Sigh.

So how do you explain the guinea pig experiment?

 

[rahl]

So you claim….

I have made no claims.

 

[Master Debator]

I have made no claims.

You did but you're so frail about it you fear having to defend it.

 

[rahl]

Sigh.

So how do you explain the guinea pig experiment?

A male guinea pig remains a male guinea pig no matter what cosmetic surgeries or hormones you give it. Just like a man remains a man no matter how many body parts he chops off or estrogen shots he takes.

 

[rahl]

You did but you're so frail about it you fear having to defend it.

It’s so funny when you think you are insulting me.

Anywho, reality remains. A man can’t become a woman. Just like a man can’t become a black bear.

 

[Master Debator]

It’s so funny when you think you are insulting me.

Anywho, reality remains. A man can’t become a woman. Just like a man can’t become a black bear.

It's so funny that you keep mentioning that because all I'm doing is addressing your argument and all your doing is revealing how it makes you feel. Anywho your claims about how people can identify dont seem to have any supporting evidence beyond your frail say so.

 

[LostInSeattle]

A male guinea pig remains a male guinea pig no matter what cosmetic surgeries or hormones you give it. Just like a man remains a man no matter how many body parts he chops off or estrogen shots he takes

Eugen Steinach (1861–1944) | Embryo Project Encyclopedia

Eugen Steinach researched sex hormones and their effects on mammals in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries in Europe. He experimented on rats by removing their testicles and implanting them elsewhere in their bodies, and he found that the testes interstitial cells produce male sex...

embryo.asu.edu

 

[madman]

LMAO

A key takeaway

"Liberals lack common sense".

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If Liberals Are More Intelligent Than Conservatives, Why Are Liberals So Stupid?

From my perspective, more intelligent people like liberals are more likely to be “stupid” (lacking common sense), whereas less intelligent people like conservatives are more likely to be “smart.”

www.psychologytoday.com

it says it right there in your title. Liberals are more intelligent.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

LMAO

A key takeaway

"Liberals lack common sense".

============================================

If Liberals Are More Intelligent Than Conservatives, Why Are Liberals So Stupid?

From my perspective, more intelligent people like liberals are more likely to be “stupid” (lacking common sense), whereas less intelligent people like conservatives are more likely to be “smart.”

www.psychologytoday.com

Anyone who is part of a majority rules concern that allows a small minority to run that concern that massively impacts their lives lacks COMMON SENSE.

So, the tribal folks of BOTH sides who insist “owning” the other tribe is worth surrendering control to that minority because they are too busy fighting to recognize and support their own best interests are the dummies.

You going to be OK when the investment banker con men who are doing all that lovely stuff with divestment instruments and default swaps screw us all again. You know, the game where they sell you dog crap wrapped in gold leaf and then invest short against their own dog crap, betting against their own clients and what they sold them.

They are, you know. Although this time it’s not just mortgages. It’s also upside-down car loans, student loans and unsecured personal (credit card) debt and leveraged at a much higher rates than last time.

You guys are so f###ed.

 

[LostInSeattle]

A male guinea pig remains a male guinea pig no matter what cosmetic surgeries or hormones you give it. Just like a man remains a man no matter how many body parts he chops off or estrogen shots he takes.

Reading comprehension quiz: which definition of sex are you referencing in the above assertion? No peeks now.