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If it were determined that the vaccines were a risk, would you believe Fauci and/or the CDC to tell you??

If discovered the vaccines were a significant risk, do you think Fauci or the CDC would tell you??

  • Don't know

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Yes, I believe they would immediately disclose it

    Votes: 35 66.0%
  • I believe Fauci would, not the CDC

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I would believe the CDC would, not Fauci

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I only go by the FDA and the FDA would pull the vaccines immediately

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I don't believe either the CDC or Fauci would. They are politicized and in in lockstep

    Votes: 5 9.4%
  • I don't believe the government including the FDA would admit to anything

    Votes: 2 3.8%
  • I already believe they're a risk and we haven't been told

    Votes: 3 5.7%
  • Eventually the CDC and Fauci would, but they'd drag their feet

    Votes: 4 7.5%
  • Other

    Votes: 4 7.5%

  • Total voters
    53
I've been wondering how many are skeptical and how many have faith in the powers-that-be regarding the vaccines. Thanks!!
Knowingly harming people is against a doctors oath not to mention the fact that he could later be sued and found guilty of criminal charges...
 
I have lost so much confidence that we are or will be given complete and truthful information! I was first in line to get the vaccine but will be last in line (or never in line) to get a booster.
I was hesitant to even get the flu shot. This year was the first for that. I got both shots. So far I've had no side effects. I figure if I'm good to go so far a booster shot probably won't hurt me. If it does I guess I turned out to be a guinea pig and might give my children pause to get vaccinated in the future. Covid is not going away. It will be with us much like the flu. Thanks CCCP. You bastards!
 
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Knowingly harming people is against a doctors oath not to mention the fact that he could later be sued and found guilty of criminal charges...
It's VERY hard to prove that. And it's done often enough. Fauci wanted to protect health care workers so he told the public not to bother with masks. What do you call that?? Thanks!!
 
I've been wondering how many are skeptical and how many have faith in the powers-that-be regarding the vaccines. Thanks!!
Who would make the definitive discovery that,

"If discovered the vaccines were a significant risk.."​

Fox News, Breitbart, or perhaps the renowned, OANN center for disease control, or an internet rumor?

I was hesitant to even get the flu shot. This year was the first for that. I got both shots. So far I've had no side effects. I figure if I'm good to go so far a booster shot probably won't hurt me. If it does I guess I turned out to be a guinea pig and might give my children pause to get vaccinated in the future. Covid is not going away. It will be with us much like the flu. Thanks CCCP. You bastards!
Strike-anywhere-matches and pasteurized milk are much more risky than the annual flu vaccine. Just when did RWE become such delicate creatures? Your dads smoked filterless Camels, later, Marlboros, inhaled leaded gas in the air and roadside dust and never flinched. You trust "the deep state" to administer capital punishment to non-rich whites, why the hesitancy now, on so many fronts, while at the same time enforcing total unaccountability for anything Trump and the criminals surrounding him are doing and have done?

Guo Wengui is “linchpin” of sprawling disinformation network ...​

https://www.washingtonpost.com › 2021/05/17 › guo-...
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Blaming "the CCCP" is a helluva lot easier than the hard work of introspection resulting in personal growth.

"Yeah, I voted, perhaps twice, for an incompetent "head case" as our POTUS. That's on me!"
Why am I not reading that, instead of regurgitation of Bannon-Trump CCCP buck passing?

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I was hesitant to even get the flu shot. This year was the first for that. I got both shots. So far I've had no side effects. I figure if I'm good to go so far a booster shot probably won't hurt me. If it does I guess I turned out to be a guinea pig and might give my children pause to get vaccinated in the future. Covid is not going away. It will be with us much like the flu. Thanks CCCP. You bastards!
last year was actually the first year I didn't get it and I didn't get the flu, but I suppose that was probably because I stayed in a lot more and didn't congregate with others much and generally avoided the public..not to mention the extra precautions and masks...also the shot from the previous year may have also gave me some protection against this year.
 
I've been wondering how many are skeptical and how many have faith in the powers-that-be regarding the vaccines. Thanks!!
I believe Trump and no one else.

MAGA.
 
Citation for the mortality rate being the same as the flu?
Dude, who cares? It's like 99.7 or 8 survival rate. It's not a pandemic and it certainly isn't cause for "emergency" vaccinations with a vaccine that is killing more people than covid is at the moment.
 
Have you thought about moving?
I have, but irrelevant. You're dodging the point. If you can't trust China for all the reasons you listed then you certainly can't trust America for all the exact same reasons.
 
last year was actually the first year I didn't get it and I didn't get the flu, but I suppose that was probably because I stayed in a lot more and didn't congregate with others much and generally avoided the public..not to mention the extra precautions and masks...also the shot from the previous year may have also gave me some protection against this year.
I've often stated that the best thing to come out of this is the importance of personal hygiene. People are more cautious about what they touch. I still won't shake hands and I was always a physical person.
 
Dude, who cares? It's like 99.7 or 8 survival rate. It's not a pandemic and it certainly isn't cause for "emergency" vaccinations with a vaccine that is killing more people than covid is at the moment.
620,000 dead... the mortality rate varies based on age and those ages are getting younger with this new variant, Delta...

according to WHO the mortality rate is somewhere around 3.4% which is pretty friggin high...and when you look at the effects it leaves...that injury rate jumps to 25%.....from everything to needing actual organ transplants, permanent lung damage and other organ damage, systemic attacks, joint injury and fatigue along with other long term effects that are lessening of life span or ability to live the way they were before.
 
I have, but irrelevant. You're dodging the point. If you can't trust China for all the reasons you listed then you certainly can't trust America for all the exact same reasons.
We have more going for us here in the States. You don't see people flocking to China to live.
 
I've often stated that the best thing to come out of this is the importance of personal hygiene. People are more cautious about what they touch. I still won't shake hands and I was always a physical person.
I think it is best to be cautious. It is good that some are starting to take this serious...my worry is it is far too late.
 
I think it is best to be cautious. It is good that some are starting to take this serious...my worry is it is far too late.
I'm an optimist. We will get over this one way or another but I don't think we'll ever be free of yearly vaccinations for it.
 
Dude, who cares? It's like 99.7 or 8 survival rate. It's not a pandemic and it certainly isn't cause for "emergency" vaccinations with a vaccine that is killing more people than covid is at the moment.
You don't even bother to support your Russian or Chinese "intelligence service" flavored disinfo with a single link.

You're obviously not a hospital staffer or mobile emergency first responder or an immunocompromised medical patient or child under age 12 with asthma or other at-risk condition, so you can post whatever you want, conduct yourself in society to any degree you please. But the rest of us can point out you seem as empathetic as a corpse dead from covid-19, or as ill informed as a Trump supporter.
 
I guess you didn't notice all the warnings about getting to herd immunity before variants developed that were vaccine resistant and/or more virilent. Fauci talked about it frequently. You might not be getting the right newsfeeds.
I have no idea what this has to do with my comment you quoted/responded to.
 
We've already seen how WHO basically covered for the China government. So that should tell ya how trust-worthy anyone tied to this virus and/or vaccine can be. I took the vaccine because the pharmaceuticals have one thing in mind -- profit. The vaccines, now that it's been suggested that boosters will be needed, will be a gold mine for them. They knew this going in so intentionally manufacturing a bad product is not in their best interest.
Projecting?

March 29, 2020

Trump administration sent protective medical gear to China while he minimized the virus threat to US​

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Updated 7:53 AM ET, Mon March 30, 2020

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Projecting?

March 29, 2020

Trump administration sent protective medical gear to China while he minimized the virus threat to US​

Opinion by Dean Obeidallah
Updated 7:53 AM ET, Mon March 30, 2020
*sigh* At least it was shorter. Sorry Post, you still lost me.
 
*sigh* At least it was shorter. Sorry Post, you still lost me.
At least you've provided an excuse for your selective criticism which, coincidentally does not include the king of pandemic manslaughter with depraved indifference. "Fauci misled about masks, so he's shown he's capable oif, blah, blah, blah, "CCCP plot" blah, blah, blah.... "big pharma cashing in" blah, blah, blah, and your "centerpiece" :
 
At least you've provided an excuse for your selective criticism which, coincidentally does not include the king of pandemic manslaughter with depraved indifference.
You do you, I'll do me. Enjoy your evening.
 
We've already seen how WHO basically covered for the China government. So that should tell ya how trust-worthy anyone tied to this virus and/or vaccine can be. I took the vaccine because the pharmaceuticals have one thing in mind -- profit. The vaccines, now that it's been suggested that boosters will be needed, will be a gold mine for them. They knew this going in so intentionally manufacturing a bad product is not in their best interest.

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It's VERY hard to prove that. And it's done often enough. Fauci wanted to protect health care workers so he told the public not to bother with masks. What do you call that?? Thanks!!

You do you, I'll do me. Enjoy your evening.
Bottomline, you post about every perceived "sin" and betrayal of the public trust, except....

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Everything has risk. Eating an apple has risk. The amount of risk is what matters.

At last count, you have a .0014% chance of dying from the vaccine, and 1.7% chance of dying from Covid (if you are unvaccinated). That means that you are 1214 times more likely to die from the virus than from the vaccine.

To look at it another way, let's say that all 328,000,000 Americans took the vaccine, and all 328,000,000 Americans contracted the virus: 5,576,000 Americans (if they had been unvaccinated at the time of infection) would die from the virus, and 4592 Americans would die from the vaccine.

One more comparison! 4100 people have died of breakthrough infection even after being vaccinated. That's out of 166,861,912 fully vaccinated Americans. That means you have a .002% chance of dying from Covid even after being fully vaccinates, and that you are 850 times more likely to die from covid unvaccatinated than vaccinated.

So merely pointing out that something has risk is meaningless. You have to evaluate the risk. And after evaluating the risk, I really really like my odds if I've been vaccinated.

By the way, here is a link to a fun list of things and activities that have risk:


Not exactly true. I think you may have been thinking of a stat that circulated at the beginning of July. As of the end of June, "4100 people have been hospitalized or died (an odd statement) after vaccination..." They should have been more specific with the headline, as dying is a subset of being hospitalized. The fact is that only 750 of the 4100 actually died.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/25/cov...n-hospitalized-or-died-after-vaccination.html

As of August 2nd, the CDC reports a total of 1507 deaths among the fully vaccinated, with over 164,000,000 fully vaccinated. That would be .00092%, compared to the 1% death rate from the unvaccinated getting CoVid, which to your point is a 1000X improvement in protection. Among most intelligent people the protection of 1000X in facing a deadly disease for no cost but a trip to a drug store is what you would call a 'no-brainer.' Meanwhile, among most intelligent people, those that chose wrong on a no-brainer, especially when the health of a loved one is involved, well.... I think we would wonder if such people actually had a brain....



https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html

My post does not diminish your point, but rather more fully emphasizes the protection of the vaccine from a fatal outcome.
 
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I've been wondering how many are skeptical and how many have faith in the powers-that-be regarding the vaccines. Thanks!!
Literally ever risk, no matter how minute, has been disclosed.
 
Literally ever risk, no matter how minute, has been disclosed.
Ultimately, that wasn't the question. If there was a significant risk - hypothetically - do you trust your government to inform you immediately?? Thanks!!
 
I have no idea what this has to do with my comment you quoted/responded to.

I saw this today. It was at the top of my news feed when I started perusing the daily news. Such different news than we were all led to believe months ago. New day, surprising new news!
A month ago Fauci was saying that that we need everyone to get vaccinated because of the variants that would be coming our way. Well, a variant has come our way and he's still saying we need to get vaccinated. If you think the news that you were led to believe is any different, you were listening to the wrong news.
 
The question isn't whether they're a risk. The question is (or at least should be) whether the risk of dying from COVID is greater or the risk of dying from the vaccine.
 
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