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If Iran Attacks Targets in USA, Should Republicans Impeach & Remove Trump?

If Iran attacks Americans here, should Trump be removed from office immediately?

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The Times reports, "President Trump declared on May 8, 2018, that he was withdrawing from the Iran nuclear deal, unraveling the signature foreign policy achievement of his predecessor Barack Obama, isolating the United States from its Western allies and sowing uncertainty before a risky nuclear negotiation with North Korea.

"The decision leaves the 2015 agreement reached by seven countries after more than two years of grueling negotiations in tatters. The United States will now reimpose the stringent sanctions it imposed on Iran before the deal and is considering new penalties.

"Iran said it will remain in the deal, which tightly restricted its nuclear ambitions, in return for ending the sanctions that had crippled its economy.

"So did France, Germany and Britain, raising the prospect of a trans-Atlantic clash as European companies face the return of American sanctions for doing business with Iran. China and Russia, also signatories to the deal, are likely to join Iran in accusing the United States of violating the accord."
 
CNN reports, "As President Donald Trump weighs whether to join Israel’s strikes on Iran — including using bunker-busting bombs to target nuclear facilities deep underground — a discussion is underway among his top officials over how the US can strike those targets without becoming embroiled in a full-scale war. Note: That's pure B.S. meant for media only.

"For Trump, trying to avoid prolonging the conflict that began last Thursday has become a top imperative. While he is receptive to arguments, including from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, that only the US can decisively end Iran’s nuclear ambitions, he is deeply wary of becoming bogged down in the type of foreign conflict he vowed to avoid, the sources said."

As I have said. as Trump basked in the glow of media attention, feigning indecision, that has been his thinking all along.

Sandy Shanks said:
Imagine if Trump got us involved in another Middle East war. The uproar could end his Presidency. Even Trump knows that. It won't happen.
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He should have been impeached and removed already, but I mean, if getting us sucked into another quagmire is what finally gives us the opportunity to send this dipshit administration packing, so be it.
 
CLAX1911 said:
So you need a 75 year old in charge
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Trump is 79.

This kid doesn’t have the background, training, knowledge or experience required to take on such an important government position. A raised eyebrow isn’t going to get the job done. The truth is, this kid is just for show, like most of Trump’s appointees and cabinet members whose real job is to babysit the dismantling or what they ostensibly have been put in charge of. Trump is just doing the bidding of the far right idiots like Stephen Miller who want to dismantle the support functions of the federal government and leave the states and the people on their own with no federal support at all. Then they will federalize all of the military and create a police state to control, rather than assist the people of the country. They want to falsely create a state of perpetual emergency and use the military to rule over the country starved of any federal support.

“The Intern in Charge”: Meet the 22-Year-Old Trump’s Team Picked to Lead Terrorism Prevention

One year out of college and with no apparent national security expertise, Thomas Fugate is the Department of Homeland Security official tasked with overseeing the government’s main hub for combating violent extremism.
www.propublica.org
 
Can we impeach and remove Trump before then?
 
The point I was getting at in this thread is that any successful attack on any American city or town, by anyone that can be honestly linked to Iran, it would mean that
Donald Trump either neglected to keep us safe, or possibly secretly stood down our defenses because he might view something like this as advantageous to his agenda.
of rotating crisis, national emergencies, militarization and martial law.

I will not accept "it happened by mistake" as an excuse for Trump because he created the risk in the first place.

"They call this war a cloud upon the land. But they made the weather and then they stand outside and say 'Shit! It's rainin!'"

 
When you have to post multiple lies to start of your little rant it tends to make rational people not care to much about your “point”.

Going from lies to peddling conspiracy theories, just like the maga idiots.
Proving the old saying that if you go far enough left
 
There is no question that Trump either undoes things (Obama’s Iran nuke deal) or messes things up himself (Tariff games) in order to present himself as the solver of problems. These were problems caused by him which he then pretends he is solving. He made a “better trade agreement” with Canada and Mexico in his first term only to claim in his second term how they are dealing unfairly with us under his own deal! You can’t make this shit up! He is the arsonist who carries a firehose in order to appear as a hero! Everything with him is either a mess he made or a fake emergency he uses to justify authoritarian declarations. And nothing ever gets resolved or improved. He is a nothing but a useful idiot for the right wing extremists pulling his puppet strings. He is dumbly running cover for their authoritarian agenda.
 
For 33 years, Benjamin Netanyahu has been claiming, "Iran is just weeks away from having nuclear weapons". Ask yourself, 'what's different in 2025 than in 1996?'. The difference is that today, Netanyahu has a U.S. president willing to commit the United States military might into helping Netanyahu carry out his ultimate mission, which is, to destroy Iran and put a final end to their ability to enrich Uranium. The destruction of Gaza, Palestine, and Iran, has been on Netanyahu's 'must do' list' for more than 3 decades.
 
braindrain said:
Insulting the military because you hate Trump is not the flex you think it is.
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The only one insulting the military is the its Commander in Chief. He's been insulting them his entire life, and his policies victimize its veterans.
 
Speaking as a life-long devoted liberal democrat, we've managed to dream up all kinds of reasons for impeachment. When it comes to we left, our feelings trump everything.
 
phoenix2020 said:
I said that you believed it, and you are unable to prove me wrong.
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BWAHAHAHAHA

So if you claim purple frogs push the milky way Galaxy I have to prove you wrong?

Ignorance truly is the strength of the left.


phoenix2020 said:
And everybody here can see how you're completely unable to prove me wrong even though it would be trivial to do so if only for the fact that Donald has told you what is true and false, what you are or are not allowed to say.
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You lied - simple as that.

I proved you wrong when I challenged you to support your claim - knowing that you couldn't - since you lied.

phoenix2020 said:
Now you're twisting yourself into a pretzel because you cannot prove me wrong, because you cannot deny that Haitians in Ohio are eating the cats, because that would be a betrayal of Donald and we all know what he thinks about disloyal foot shoulders.
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ROFL

I often question if the Stalinists on this board completed elementary school.

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The burden of proof is always on the person making an assertion or proposition. Shifting the burden of proof, a special case of argumentum ad ignorantium, is the fallacy of putting the burden of proof on the person who denies or questions the assertion being made. The source of the fallacy is the assumption that something is true unless proven otherwise.

The person making a negative claim cannot logically prove nonexistence. And here's why: to know that a X does not exist would require a perfect knowledge of all things (omniscience). To attain this knowledge would require simultaneous access to all parts of the world and beyond (omnipresence). Therefore, to be certain of the claim that X does not exist one would have to possess abilities that are non-existent. Obviously, mankind's limited nature precludes these special abilities. The claim that X does not exist is therefore unjustifiable. As logician Mortimer Adler has pointed out, the attempt to prove a universal negative is a self- defeating proposition. These claims are "worldwide existential negatives." They are only a small class of all possible negatives. They cannot be established by direct observation because no single human observer can cover the whole earth at one time in order to declare by personal authority that any “X” doesn't exist.}


Uneducated, ignorant, leftist.
 
MamboDervish said:
That horseshit is so thin and dilute, I don't even need my boots on to wade through it. In fact, it won't even cover Trump's flip-flops.

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Hey, the founder of the Progressive Channel, Marxist professor Dean Obla Dee Obla Da is the one that pointed out that the left wants Obama to be king.

Perhaps you would prefer a more Xi like ruler? Or maybe Xi himself?
 


Gee whiz, if only someone would point out those lies...
 
Uncensored2008 said:
Hey, the founder of the Progressive Channel, Marxist professor Dean Obla Dee Obla Da is the one that pointed out that the left wants Obama to be king.
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Never heard of him. Who elected him, and what did he run for?
Uncensored2008 said:
Perhaps you would prefer a more Xi like ruler? Or maybe Xi himself?
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You're funny. It seems clear to me that you have no problem with someone who, by his own admission, LOVES Xi.

Trump on China’s Xi: ‘We love each other’

US president says relations with China are at an all-time high.
www.politico.eu
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Gee whiz, if only someone would point out those lies...
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Well we could start with utter BS for starters.
There are more then 2 or 3 installations on the west cost and they are more then capable of fending off attacks from Iran

Our troops are not spread thin and the number of troops guarding the border is minuscule.

Morale is no where near an all time low. You have no idea what you are talking about.



That’s a good enough list of lies to start with.
 

Claims made without evidence dismissed without evidence.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Claims made without evidence dismissed without evidence.
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I hate to tell you this but those are your claims and your responsibility to prove.

But let’s look at a couple of them.

You claim the West Coast only has two or three installations capable of mounting even a halfhearted attempt at fending off enemy attacks.
To just make a few there are
Marine Corps Air Station Miramar
Naval base San Diego
Naval base Coronado
Joint base Lewis Mchord
Naval Base Ventura County
Naval Base Kitsap
Naval Air station Whidbey island
Naval station Everett
Naval Air Station Lemoore
All fully capable of fending off attacks from Iran.

Then you claim we are spared think and use troops sent to the border as a reason.
There are approximately 4200 active duty troops at the border. The US has right around 1.3 million active duty troops. Can you figure out what percentage that is.
And with Afghanistan ended and Iraq scaled way back we have fewer troops spread across the world then we have for a long time.


But like I said I know you don’t want facts getting in the way of your little hate filled rant.
 

Why even bother with such major attacks? They have the influence on their extremists (no I'm not implying most of their population) to commit plenty of personal organized or non-govt sanctioned terrorist attacks here. Low $$ cost to them as well. And our harsher attacks on them will make it worse, not better. Do we want to be "Israel?"

If they just start with a few, they'll have the US completely freaked out and cancelling events, transportation paralyzed, affecting our economy, etc etc etc.

Good work TACO...dont bite off more than you can shovel in your maw.
 

I cannot count on a president like Donald Trump to be ready if the time comes to activate those bases and those troops to protect any blue state.
Sorry but while you did prove that we have sufficient active infrastructure, you can't assure blue state residents that he won't order a stand down when the attacks commence.
I never mentioned the border, I just said our troops are spread thin.
If you disagree that's fine however don't forget who is in charge, both in the Oval Office and at The Pentagon.

It's like having plenty of horsepower but no traction.
You trust Donald Trump to protect all of America, I trust him to protect MAGA America and to let blue states burn.

This is really more about taking into account Trump's threats, his words, his actions and the openly stated intentions of almost everyone in his administration.
I'm really glad that you pointed out that we still have an adequate number of military installations throughout the West but I'm not so sure we will see our military used to protect
Americans that he doesn't like.
Pete Hegseth doesn't think he is required to follow court orders so it stands to reason he might also be inclined to follow illegal orders or ignore the ones he doesn't like.
Trump's the same. Who can stop either of them from withholding help if LA is attacked?

By the way, what do you think the odds are that US troops will be drawn into another endless Middle East war before the summer is over?
Thank you for helping me learn more about our active military installations on the West Coast, I figured BRAC had sunk half of them.
And no, I don't blame Trump for BRAC at all.
 
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There's a lot of messed up things that can happen due to Trump's poor leadership, but I solidly do not believe Iran would ever attack targets within US boarders.
 
So you get your bs called out and you just continue your little rant. When your “facts” get destroyed and you don’t change your position it sounds just like the maga cult.

Really. So this wasn’t you.

Checkerboard Strangler said:
many of our troops are spread thin around the world OR worse, assignedd
to the border wall,
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Can’t even remember what kind of propaganda you are spewing.

Sorry but you have completely turned into what you hate.
 
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You're right, and seeing as how Texas has just defunded their portion of the Border Wall that part of my post really is bullshit, isn't it?
So I humbly retract that.

I still think we now live in a nation where a president may very well decide to sit back and watch Los Angeles or some other city in a blue state burn rather than use his power to help.
Disloyalty is what motivates Donald Trump and his worshippers.
People who spend their lives spinning tales about Democrats eating babies and drinking their blood while forcing other people's kids to use litter boxes in kindergarten right before forced transgender surgery would be jumping and cheering for joy if a sleeper cell took down a few city blocks in L.A., maybe even more than Mike Lee did when a gunman killed two MN state lawmakers and tried to kill two more.
But Mike Lee isn't hateful.
I guess I am!

The same Donald Trump who publicly made a big deal about not calling the MN Governor after the shootings, and you're sure he wouldn't publicly give Los Angeles the finger after a terrorist attack.
So, I understand why you feel compelled to make this about me.
After all, I WAS wrong on several things and you were right to call me out on that bullshit.
I hereby publicly retract every bit of it, all except for my growing certainty that Donald Trump views letting blue states burn as a plus.
 
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