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If I were the devil...

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Paul Harvey was a news broadcaster who had his own radio show which ran from the 1950's through the 1990's...this is one of his essays that originally ran in 1964 but he updated several times...this particular one below ran in 1996...

“If I were the prince of darkness, I would want to engulf the whole world in darkness. I’d have a third of its real estate and four-fifths of its population, but I would not be happy until I had seized the ripest apple on the tree — thee. So, I would set about however necessary to take over the United States.

“I’d subvert the churches first, and I would begin with a campaign of whispers. With the wisdom of a serpent, I would whisper to you as I whispered to Eve: ‘Do as you please.’

“To the young, I would whisper that the Bible is a myth. I would convince the children that man created God instead of the other way around. I’d confide that what’s bad is good and what’s good is square. And the old, I would teach to pray after me, ‘Our Father, which art in Washington ...’

“Then, I’d get organized, I’d educate authors in how to make lurid literature exciting so that anything else would appear dull and uninteresting. I’d peddle narcotics to whom I could. I’d sell alcohol to ladies and gentlemen of distinction. I’d tranquilize the rest with pills.

“If I were the devil, I’d soon have families at war with themselves, churches at war with themselves and nations at war with themselves until each, in its turn, was consumed. And with promises of higher ratings, I’d have mesmerizing media fanning the flames.

“If I were the devil, I would encourage schools to refine young intellect but neglect to discipline emotions. I’d tell teachers to let those students run wild. And before you knew it, you’d have drug-sniffing dogs and metal detectors at every schoolhouse door. With a decade, I’d have prisons overflowing and judges promoting pornography. Soon, I would evict God from the courthouse and the schoolhouse and then from the houses of Congress. In his own churches, I would substitute psychology for religion and deify science. I’d lure priests and pastors into misusing boys and girls and church money.

“If I were the devil, I’d take from those who have and give to those who wanted until I had killed the incentive of the ambitious. What’ll you bet I couldn’t get whole states to promote gambling as the way to get rich?

“I’d convince the young that marriage is old-fashioned, that swinging is more fun and that what you see on television is the way to be. And thus, I could undress you in public and lure you into bed with diseases for which there are no cures.

Paul Harvey’s warning to America: If I were the devil | Columns | idahostatejournal.com
 
Good comentary by Paul H. Pretty much sums up some of the situation today.
 
Paul Harvey was a news broadcaster who had his own radio show which ran from the 1950's through the 1990's...this is one of his essays that originally ran in 1964 but he updated several times...this particular one below ran in 1996...



Paul Harvey’s warning to America: If I were the devil | Columns | idahostatejournal.com


Paul Harvey is accepting the church's painting of the Devil (assuming he exists) as a malicious being.

Why would he "engulf the world in darkness"? What's the motivation?
Is "evil" maliciousness for its own sake?

How can the Devil get our ear and turn us away from helping others and doing good things into a self centered person if he simultaneously punishes us?

Surely that is no temptation?

Now I've seen a Christian pastor say god rules in hell despite never having been there. But most Christians who've voiced an opinion say Satan/The Devil rules in hell and spends hours supervising the torment of lost souls in a fiery lake for all eternity.

A question I would ask the Devil is why torture me for doing the very things you told me to do?
 
A question I would ask the Devil is why torture me for doing the very things you told me to do?

That would probably fall under "the deceiver" religiously-framed narrative.


OM
 
The easier question to answer would be...what part wasn't?

The entire thing essentially?

The things that are unanimously considered bad, such as drug use and war weren't foreign concepts in 1996. The other things are just conservative tropes regarding liberalism. "If I were the devil, i'd do *insert talking point about liberals*". Nothing in here seems to be anything more than a Rush Limbaugh monologue but slightly better written.
 
I'd like to hear his take on "If I were Asmodeus". That would certainly be more entertaining.


OM
 
The entire thing essentially?

The things that are unanimously considered bad, such as drug use and war weren't foreign concepts in 1996. The other things are just conservative tropes regarding liberalism. "If I were the devil, i'd do *insert talking point about liberals*". Nothing in here seems to be anything more than a Rush Limbaugh monologue but slightly better written.

This is not about politics so leave it at the door...
 
That would probably fall under "the deceiver" religiously-framed narrative.


OM


S in your view Satan would answer he deceived or lied to me to do the wrong thing.

And therefore his torture is merely him doing god's work?
 
This is not about politics so leave it at the door...

It doesn't matter if it's about politics or not. That's clearly where he got his talking points. These aren't unique. They aren't insightful.

If I were the devil, I’d soon have families at war with themselves,

OMG! He'd have families arguing and fighting? It's not like that's:roll: ever happened before!
 
S in your view Satan would answer he deceived or lied to me to do the wrong thing.

And therefore his torture is merely him doing god's work?

According to the religious narrative, "Satan" hates you, and wants you to suffer; therefore will "deceive" any way that it can to obtain your soul (or whatever it is that "suffers for eternity").


OM
 
It doesn't matter if it's about politics or not. That's clearly where he got his talking points. These aren't unique. They aren't insightful.



OMG! He'd have families arguing and fighting? It's not like that's:roll: ever happened before!

If I had wanted to talk politics, I would have put it in that section...so no, it is not...if that's what you want, go back to the proper section for it...
 
If I had wanted to talk politics, I would have put it in that section...so no, it is not...if that's what you want, go back to the proper section for it...

You don't have to discuss politics. No one is asking you too. My points stand even if you don't use the word "politics". None of this is unique, before it's time, insightful etc. These are boiler plate "our country is going to hell" talking points that every grand parent has told their grandkid since the beginning of time.

195. Socrates (469-399 B.C.). Respectfully Quoted: A Dictionary of Quotations. 1989

Socrates around 400 B.C. said:
The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.
 
According to the religious narrative, "Satan" hates you, and wants you to suffer; therefore will "deceive" any way that it can to obtain your soul (or whatever it is that "suffers for eternity").


OM

Revelation 12:12 pretty much explains Satan's motive...he is full of hate and anger and he knows his time of existence is running out...

"On this account be glad, you heavens and you who reside in them! Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to you, having great anger, knowing that he has a short period of time.

Satan has waged war against God and against mankind, particularly God's faithful servants...

"So the dragon became enraged at the woman and went off to wage war with the remaining ones of her offspring, who observe the commandments of God and have the work of bearing witness concerning Jesus." Revelation 12:17
 
According to the religious narrative, "Satan" hates you, and wants you to suffer; therefore will "deceive" any way that it can to obtain your soul (or whatever it is that "suffers for eternity").


OM

So Satan deceived us so he can torture us later,

Because he gets off in causing pain?

Satan might be a sadist but isn't he doing the biblical god(s) work?


Why does Satan hate humans?
 
The easier question to answer would be...what part wasn't?

“I’d subvert the churches first, and I would begin with a campaign of whispers. With the wisdom of a serpent, I would whisper to you as I whispered to Eve: ‘Do as you please.’

“To the young, I would whisper that the Bible is a myth. I would convince the children that man created God instead of the other way around.

Replace the word "churches" with "mosques", the word "Bible" with "Koran", and "God" with the word "Allah."

“Then, I’d get organized, I’d educate authors in how to make lurid literature exciting so that anything else would appear dull and uninteresting. I’d peddle narcotics to whom I could. I’d sell alcohol to ladies and gentlemen of distinction. I’d tranquilize the rest with pills.

The alternative being to hide these things from one's flock? Sanitizing reality for the sake of your children only creates lambs for the slaughter. People can and should have the choice to learn from their own mistakes and decide for themselves what path they walk. And so long as their personal choices don't victimize others, their personal choices are not evil.

“If I were the devil, I would encourage schools to refine young intellect but neglect to discipline emotions. I’d tell teachers to let those students run wild. And before you knew it, you’d have drug-sniffing dogs and metal detectors at every schoolhouse door. With a decade, I’d have prisons overflowing and judges promoting pornography. Soon, I would evict God from the courthouse and the schoolhouse and then from the houses of Congress. In his own churches, I would substitute psychology for religion and deify science.

Would the devil evict Allah from the courthouse and the schoolhouse as well? Pornography is no more inherently evil than religion is. Like religion, it can be abused and misused, but also like religion, it can be practiced without doing harm to anyone. Psychology and science are superior to religion when it comes to making decisions that affect other people because psychology and science are testable and capable of being modified as needed. Religion is dogmatic and untestable.

“If I were the devil, I’d take from those who have and give to those who wanted until I had killed the incentive of the ambitious. What’ll you bet I couldn’t get whole states to promote gambling as the way to get rich?

"Go, sell what you own, and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven." Does this sound like the devil to you?

“I’d convince the young that marriage is old-fashioned, that swinging is more fun and that what you see on television is the way to be. And thus, I could undress you in public and lure you into bed with diseases for which there are no cures.

Monogamy is no less socially problematic than polygamy or swinging, as the rate of divorce proves. There is evidence that monogamy is an unnatural state for homo sapiens. Romantic love is an emotional impulse that evolved to facilitate the rearing of young, and doesn't need to last forever, even though it can in a minority of cases. We're no more tied to it than we are to feelings of jealousy or anger, and like those negative emotions it should be viewed through the lens of survival impulses that we all experience, but that should be viewed through the perspective of why they evolved and whether surrendering to them is conducive to a healthy and orderly society. To put any animal instinct on a pedestal by giving it some mystical meaning is to set yourself up to run afoul of someone else's (to them) equally mystical and important animal instincts. This is where tribal warfare comes from. From this perspective, the best thing the devil could do is to teach children traditional christian values.
 
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So Satan deceived us so he can torture us later,

Because he gets off in causing pain?

Satan might be a sadist but isn't he doing the biblical god(s) work?


Why does Satan hate humans?

Why does anyone hate? Jealousy, greed, selfishness...the list goes on...
 
So Satan deceived us so he can torture us later,

Because he gets off in causing pain?

Satan might be a sadist but isn't he doing the biblical god(s) work?


Why does Satan hate humans?

"Satan", as a borrowed concept, is basically a testament to the darker side of the duality of mankind.


OM
 

As one of many mythological "adversaries", Asmodeus had more of a ribald streak to him that made him much more entertaining. And he was so open about it. Plus he battles angels. Much more entertaining all the way around.


OM
 
Why does anyone hate? Jealousy, greed, selfishness...the list goes on...

Satan is jealous of man?

Doesn't the JW believe there is no hell except the grave?

So Satan's purpose is deny men entrance to heaven for a time.
 
Satan is jealous of man?

Doesn't the JW believe there is no hell except the grave?

So Satan's purpose is deny men entrance to heaven for a time.

Satan challenged Jehovah's right to rule mankind...he became envious and wanted that worship for himself and as we can see today, for the most part, he has succeeded in getting what he wants...
 
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