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If guns make us safer.....

vegas giants said:
The correlation is loud and clear. Lax gun laws equal more gun deaths. Tell me where this is not true?
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There is no correlation.

If it were.. mexico would be much less violent than the us.. its not.
 
jaeger19 said:
There is no correlation.

If it were.. mexico would be much less violent than the us.. its not.
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Where do lax gun laws lead to low gun deaths? It's a simple question
 
vegas giants said:
A graph without any supporting documentation? Really? And you want to be taken seriously? LOL
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Sources are written right there. Brady campaign and FBI. What. You don't understand graphs?




The crowd is not the sum of its parts.

I am a republican who did not vote for Trump (Or Hillary).
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vegas giants said:
Lower right hand corner says Gun Facts - Debunking Gun Control Myths. A pro gun website
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Data pulled from FBI and Brady campaign. Not that hard to grasp slick. I'm sure you will have doubled down on demanding this to be in a format that requires a little less effort than you glancing down at the bottom hand left of the graph. And I'm sure you will be losing your **** over the fact that a pro gun website (hey I thought you were pro gun?) put together facts from the non partisan FBI statistics and the very partisan anti gun Brady campaign.

But I'm sure you won't have the intellectual honesty to address the fact that there is no indication of correlation, but that very anti gun California has somehow maintained a similar rate to very pro gun Arizona. Shocking what happens when we produce numbers huh?

Now. Go ahead and retreat from the numbers that have destroyed your argument.




The crowd is not the sum of its parts.

I am a republican who did not vote for Trump (Or Hillary).
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vegas giants said:
Where do lax gun laws lead to low gun deaths? It's a simple question
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Gun laws don't change the death rate. If you are looking for places with low murder rates and lax gun laws...Utah is a good place to start.




The crowd is not the sum of its parts.

I am a republican who did not vote for Trump (Or Hillary).
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blackjack50 said:
Sources are written right there. Brady campaign and FBI. What. You don't understand graphs?
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as I have said, you can give him a library of Congress worth of facts and it will be ignored. WHITE America has the most firearms ownership in the world and yet our rate of violent crime isn't any higher than many nations of whites living under nanny state gun restrictions. that alone proves our point. Indeed, the highest rate of gun violence in the USA comes from a group that not only has far LOWER rates of LEGAL gun ownership, but also often live in areas that are run by anti gun Democrats who pass idiotic anti gun laws. The gun banners also ignore, when they bray about nanny state anti gun nations like England, that said nations had very low rates of gun violence LONG BEFORE the nation engaged in a jihad against legal gun ownership and that jihad has not made things ANY BETTER.

when you see these constant avoidances of FACT and repetitive nonsense over and over, its clear that crime control has nothing to do with the anti gun posters' agenda.
 
TurtleDude said:
as I have said, you can give him a library of Congress worth of facts and it will be ignored. WHITE America has the most firearms ownership in the world and yet our rate of violent crime isn't any higher than many nations of whites living under nanny state gun restrictions. that alone proves our point. Indeed, the highest rate of gun violence in the USA comes from a group that not only has far LOWER rates of LEGAL gun ownership, but also often live in areas that are run by anti gun Democrats who pass idiotic anti gun laws. The gun banners also ignore, when they bray about nanny state anti gun nations like England, that said nations had very low rates of gun violence LONG BEFORE the nation engaged in a jihad against legal gun ownership and that jihad has not made things ANY BETTER.

when you see these constant avoidances of FACT and repetitive nonsense over and over, its clear that crime control has nothing to do with the anti gun posters' agenda.
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The ugly side of racism that is prevalent in the pro gun side is apparent with gun nuts. They hate black americans and blame them for every problem this country has. This is the gun nut philosophy.....get rid of the blacks and everything will be fine. It is disgusting
 
blackjack50 said:
Gun laws don't change the death rate. If you are looking for places with low murder rates and lax gun laws...Utah is a good place to start.
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Uh...yes it does. States with good gun control have low gun death rates. Duh
 
Rucker61 said:
What if those gun control laws can't do that?
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that happens constantly and what is the response from the gun controllers? more restrictions and more harassment of gun owners

half the laws they currently propose are designed to fail so they can push for more restrictions. we have already heard bannerrhoid organizations claim that the BS universal background check cannot work unless every single gun is registered. so they push that idiotic law so it will fail and then they can bray for registration. when the moronic 10 round magazine limit in NYC didn't stop a convicted murderer from obtaining an AR 15 (federal felony for him to have it) with a 30 round magazine, the NY Scumbags in office pushed a 7 round limit.

the gun control movement is like cancer. it never stops trying to spread
 
TurtleDude said:
that happens constantly and what is the response from the gun controllers? more restrictions and more harassment of gun owners

half the laws they currently propose are designed to fail so they can push for more restrictions. we have already heard bannerrhoid organizations claim that the BS universal background check cannot work unless every single gun is registered. so they push that idiotic law so it will fail and then they can bray for registration. when the moronic 10 round magazine limit in NYC didn't stop a convicted murderer from obtaining an AR 15 (federal felony for him to have it) with a 30 round magazine, the NY Scumbags in office pushed a 7 round limit.

the gun control movement is like cancer. it never stops trying to spread
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The extreme racism of some on the pro gun side is obvious in many posts on here. Every black man....be he a doctor, lawyer or even a judge ....is really just a thug to them. Their hatred of black people is the core of their argument. They don't just love guns....they also hate black people
 
zsu2357 said:
What exactly is a gun nut in your eyes.Is it someone that owns a gun or someone that CCL's or what.
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No. Lots of normal people own guns. But some gun nuts are on this forum. One guy that has constant paranoia that everyone is out to ban guns so he feels the need to constantly insult and personally attack them fits the bill. Owning and enjoying guns is not the problem....the obsession that everyone is coming to get your guns is. It really is a form of mental illness.

Is it appropriate to call people bannerhoids?
 
TurtleDude said:
that happens constantly and what is the response from the gun controllers? more restrictions and more harassment of gun owners

half the laws they currently propose are designed to fail so they can push for more restrictions. we have already heard bannerrhoid organizations claim that the BS universal background check cannot work unless every single gun is registered. so they push that idiotic law so it will fail and then they can bray for registration. when the moronic 10 round magazine limit in NYC didn't stop a convicted murderer from obtaining an AR 15 (federal felony for him to have it) with a 30 round magazine, the NY Scumbags in office pushed a 7 round limit.

the gun control movement is like cancer. it never stops trying to spread
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^^^^^^
Ironic that you cast the gun control movement as borne of paranoia when you make posts like this. Remember when Obama took everybody's guns between 09-17? Good times.


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Garydog said:
^^^^^^
Ironic that you cast the gun control movement as borne of paranoia when you make posts like this. Remember when Obama took everybody's guns between 09-17? Good times.


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I guess you are completely ignorant of the hundreds of posts I have made explaining that Obama never got any gun ban legislation to sign because when the dems ran things, Harry Reid killed anti gun bills and obviously the GOP wouldn't send him any later. I guess you fail to understand that Obama did use executive orders to ban the reimport of thousands of collectible WWII rifles and he appointed hard core gun haters like Sotomayor to the courts. I guess you are also ignorant of Dem passed gun bans that are based on the incremental creep towards total bans in places like California, NY, CT, NJ,and Maryland.

Your post was a classic fail of trying to respond to something you want to disagree with but don't have the ammunition to actually refute
 
Garydog said:
https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/death-by-gun-top-20-states-with-highest-rates/10/

Every single one of the top 20 states in terms of gun death rate are red states with relatively permissive gun laws.

If "guns make a polite society" as so many hillbilly cowboy wanna-bes tell me, then why do those states with the most guns per capita have the highest gun death rates?



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That counts suicides and red states have tons of military retirees etc. It also ignores the fact that blue cities with their own restrictive gun laws like DC, and Chicago and Baltimore are cesspools of gun violence

it further ignores that the group with the highest rate of gun ownership has the lowest rate of gun violence
 
TurtleDude said:
That counts suicides and red states have tons of military retirees etc. It also ignores the fact that blue cities with their own restrictive gun laws like DC, and Chicago and Baltimore are cesspools of gun violence

it further ignores that the group with the highest rate of gun ownership has the lowest rate of gun violence
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The point is permissive gun laws result in more gun deaths.
 
TurtleDude said:
I guess you are completely ignorant of the hundreds of posts I have made explaining that Obama never got any gun ban legislation to sign because when the dems ran things, Harry Reid killed anti gun bills and obviously the GOP wouldn't send him any later. I guess you fail to understand that Obama did use executive orders to ban the reimport of thousands of collectible WWII rifles and he appointed hard core gun haters like Sotomayor to the courts. I guess you are also ignorant of Dem passed gun bans that are based on the incremental creep towards total bans in places like California, NY, CT, NJ,and Maryland.

Your post was a classic fail of trying to respond to something you want to disagree with but don't have the ammunition to actually refute
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Gun ownership became far easier during the Obama years and gun companies made more profits than ever in their history, thanks entirely to gullible suckers like you who feared gun confiscation that was never going to happen. We're more likely to adopt soviet communism than ban guns.

Some states have strict laws, yes. And in those states, they're working. Gun deaths per capita in the states you mentioned are FAR lower than permissive states like Alaska, Wyoming, Arkansas, Mississippi and Tennessee.


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Garydog said:
Gun ownership became far easier during the Obama years and gun companies made more profits than ever in their history, thanks entirely to gullible suckers like you who feared gun confiscation that was never going to happen. We're more likely to adopt soviet communism than ban guns.

Some states have strict laws, yes. And in those states, they're working. Gun deaths per capita in the states you mentioned are FAR lower than permissive states like Alaska, Wyoming, Arkansas, Mississippi and Tennessee.


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Oh, and if gun control "nuts" are paranoid, they have reason to be. Gun violence in the US is worse than in any other industrialized nation on earth and it ain't close. As many now die from gun violence as die in CARS. Do you understand the significance of that? EVERYONE OWNS CARS, and they are critical to participation in the economy in this country. Usually, they're critical to survival. Guns? No one needs a gun to make a living except for a tiny percentage of the population who are in the military and law enforcement, or those who live in remotes, rural areas. Yet we allow guns to kill over 30,000 people and demonize those who try to address the problem. It's sick and twisted that you would know this statistic and yet still insist there isn't a problem. If golf clubs killed that many people, golf would be banned in all 50 states. Hell, marijuana has killed zero people in the history of the world, yet its prohibition is supported with zeal by the likes of you in almost every state.

Our society is sick, and your opinions and refusal to recognize causation statistics and real information is the virus that's killing us.


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Garydog said:
Gun ownership became far easier during the Obama years
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Explain, with cites.

and gun companies made more profits than ever in their history, thanks entirely to gullible suckers like you who feared gun confiscation that was never going to happen.
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There are now ownership bans on "assault weapons" in New York, Connecticut and Maryland, and bans on ownership of 11+ round magazines in California. Those items will need to be sold or turned into the state. That's confiscation.

We're more likely to adopt soviet communism than ban guns.
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Evidently untrue. It sounds like you think unless we ban all guns then everything is still okay, that limited bans don't mean anything.

Some states have strict laws, yes. And in those states, they're working. Gun deaths per capita in the states you mentioned are FAR lower than permissive states like Alaska, Wyoming, Arkansas, Mississippi and Tennessee.
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And the homicide rates are far higher than in lax states like Vermont, New Hampshire and Maine. "Gun deaths" include suicides, and strict gun laws don't seem to affect suicide rates, as even the simplest firearm and a single round is capable of being used for suicide.
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