If guns make us safer.....

[vegas giants]

Another poster mentioned this and I thought it would make a great thread.

If guns make us safer:

why are you not allowed to carry at a NRA convention
why can you not carry loaded guns at a gun show (depending on the state)
why can you not carry guns on a plane
why can you not carry guns in court
why can you not carry around President Trump

and

With so many guns in the US....why aren't we the safest country on Earth?

 

[Rucker61]

Another poster mentioned this and I thought it would make a great thread.

If guns make us safer:

why are you not allowed to carry at a NRA convention

As Blake Farmer of member station WPLN in Nashville tells our Newscast unit, one of the venues is enforcing its ban on guns. Here's more:

"t's not unusual for meeting sites to restrict guns. In Nashville, those with carry permits are allowed in the convention hall, but not across the street in Bridgestone Arena, where the nightly concerts are held."

Bob Owens, editor of BearingArms.com, a gun-rights website, writes:

"The National Rifle Association holds an annual meeting every year in a different host city, and requires that attendees follow the federal, state, and local laws applicable in that city, like every major convention of every significant national group, ever.
"This year in Tennessee, that means that attendees can indeed carry firearms in the Music City Center with the proper license in accordance with Tennessee law. Bridgestone Arena prohibits the possession of firearms, and always has. Attendees to the concerts held there are not allowed to carry weapons according to these pre-existing laws."

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...the-nra-really-banning-guns-at-its-convention


When you start out with a lie, why should anyone care about the rest of your post?

why can you not carry loaded guns at a gun show (depending on the state)

So there are gun shows that allow concealed carry?

why can you not carry guns on a plane

Private property owners can restrict who can bring guns onto their property.

why can you not carry guns in court

CCW holders can carry guns in Texas courthouses. Courts typically have guards with guns to protect the premises. If those in charge didn't feel that guns made them safer they wouldn't have the guards carry them.

why can you not carry around President Trump

Again, guns are protecting him, and anyone who wanted to break that law could. See Squeaky Fromme.

and

With so many guns in the US....why aren't we the safest country on Earth?

With such strict gun laws, why isn't Russia as safe as the UK, and why is Vermont and New Hampshire safer than California? Why don't more gun laws make us safe?

 

[vegas giants]

As Blake Farmer of member station WPLN in Nashville tells our Newscast unit, one of the venues is enforcing its ban on guns. Here's more:

"t's not unusual for meeting sites to restrict guns. In Nashville, those with carry permits are allowed in the convention hall, but not across the street in Bridgestone Arena, where the nightly concerts are held."

Bob Owens, editor of BearingArms.com, a gun-rights website, writes:

"The National Rifle Association holds an annual meeting every year in a different host city, and requires that attendees follow the federal, state, and local laws applicable in that city, like every major convention of every significant national group, ever.
"This year in Tennessee, that means that attendees can indeed carry firearms in the Music City Center with the proper license in accordance with Tennessee law. Bridgestone Arena prohibits the possession of firearms, and always has. Attendees to the concerts held there are not allowed to carry weapons according to these pre-existing laws."

Is The NRA Really Banning Guns At Its Convention? : The Two-Way : NPR


When you start out with a lie, why should anyone care about the rest of your post?


So there are gun shows that allow concealed carry?


Private property owners can restrict who can bring guns onto their property.


CCW holders can carry guns in Texas courthouses. Courts typically have guards with guns to protect the premises. If those in charge didn't feel that guns made them safer they wouldn't have the guards carry them.

Again, guns are protecting him, and anyone who wanted to break that law could. See Squeaky Fromme.


With such strict gun laws, why isn't Russia as safe as the UK, and why is Vermont and New Hampshire safer than California? Why don't more gun laws make us safe?

Lets take one at a time. Are you saying the NRA has NEVER restricted guns at their convention or events?

 

[SocialD]

Another poster mentioned this and I thought it would make a great thread.

If guns make us safer:

why are you not allowed to carry at a NRA convention
why can you not carry loaded guns at a gun show (depending on the state)
why can you not carry guns on a plane
why can you not carry guns in court
why can you not carry around President Trump

and

With so many guns in the US....why aren't we the safest country on Earth?

There is a hell of a lot more to it than whether or not there are guns. There are countries that have very restrictive gun laws that have a lot of violent crime and there are countries where a lot of people have guns and there is little violent crime.
its culture more than the guns.

 

[Rucker61]

Lets take one at a time. Are you saying the NRA has NEVER restricted guns at their convention or events?

"why are you not allowed to carry at a NRA convention" is a universal claim saying that you can never carry at an NRA convention. Restrictions are typically by the venue, or in the case of a Presidential speaker, the Secret Service.

 

[davidgarcia]

Picture yourself with a lot of people inside a plane with guns by their side, does that make the scene safe? Envision yourself inside a court with people that have weapons that they can easily fire at, I don't think that the court can have a peaceful hearing by that. I don't think guns can make the world safe. It promotes fear, it shows power, and it puts other nation into resentment. In return, the opposing nation will also possess these weapons for the same exact reason. However, guns can be utilized to serve as a safeguard to some people, still this hurts other people. Relating this to the question, with so many guns in the US, other nations/bitter people/criminal masterminds involve themselves with guns too to have a matching power against US.

 

[vegas giants]

"why are you not allowed to carry at a NRA convention" is a universal claim saying that you can never carry at an NRA convention. Restrictions are typically by the venue, or in the case of a Presidential speaker, the Secret Service.

I grant you the NRA one. In fact in some places you will be able to carry there. But the rest? I thought guns made us safer?

 

[vegas giants]

As Blake Farmer of member station WPLN in Nashville tells our Newscast unit, one of the venues is enforcing its ban on guns. Here's more:

"t's not unusual for meeting sites to restrict guns. In Nashville, those with carry permits are allowed in the convention hall, but not across the street in Bridgestone Arena, where the nightly concerts are held."

Bob Owens, editor of BearingArms.com, a gun-rights website, writes:

"The National Rifle Association holds an annual meeting every year in a different host city, and requires that attendees follow the federal, state, and local laws applicable in that city, like every major convention of every significant national group, ever.
"This year in Tennessee, that means that attendees can indeed carry firearms in the Music City Center with the proper license in accordance with Tennessee law. Bridgestone Arena prohibits the possession of firearms, and always has. Attendees to the concerts held there are not allowed to carry weapons according to these pre-existing laws."

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...the-nra-really-banning-guns-at-its-convention


When you start out with a lie, why should anyone care about the rest of your post?


So there are gun shows that allow concealed carry?


Private property owners can restrict who can bring guns onto their property.


CCW holders can carry guns in Texas courthouses. Courts typically have guards with guns to protect the premises. If those in charge didn't feel that guns made them safer they wouldn't have the guards carry them.

Again, guns are protecting him, and anyone who wanted to break that law could. See Squeaky Fromme.


With such strict gun laws, why isn't Russia as safe as the UK, and why is Vermont and New Hampshire safer than California? Why don't more gun laws make us safe?

Lets take the private property one. You say property owners can deny me my constitutional right to carry a gun. Can they deny entrance to a black person? Don't you need compelling interest to restrict a right? I thought guns would make that property safer?

 

[Maccabee]

Another poster mentioned this and I thought it would make a great thread.

If guns make us safer:

why are you not allowed to carry at a NRA convention

Because the NRA is too soft if that is in fact true.

why can you not carry loaded guns at a gun show (depending on the state)

Maybe because of state law? Also, why haven't we heard of mass shootings at gun shows if more guns equal more crime?

why can you not carry guns on a plane

PATRIOT Act.

why can you not carry guns in court

politics.

why can you not carry around President Trump

Because Secret Service won't attack.

and

With so many guns in the US....why aren't we the safest country on Earth?

Because the dangerous cities and states are contributing to our national crime rate and they have strict gun laws.

 

[apdst]

I grant you the NRA one. In fact in some places you will be able to carry there. But the rest? I thought guns made us safer?

The government placed most of thos restrictions, but in those places guns are present.

 

[Bucky]

Guns don't make us safer. They make us less safe.

 

[Peter King]

Another poster mentioned this and I thought it would make a great thread.

If guns make us safer:

1 why are you not allowed to carry at a NRA convention
2 why can you not carry loaded guns at a gun show (depending on the state)
3 why can you not carry guns on a plane
4 why can you not carry guns in court
5 why can you not carry around President Trump

and

6 With so many guns in the US....why aren't we the safest country on Earth?

1. I doubt the NRA would have an issue with guns at their conventions but the owners of the convention hall may have different opinions and as it is their property they are allowed to set the rules, even if the NRA would like it differently.

2. well, again I think it is the owners of the convention halls that will make those rules.

3. because a discharged gun in a plane can lead to bad things, both from a safety point of view from accidental discharge (lot of people, close quarters, structural integrity of the plane if it hits a window) and from possible terrorism. So that is a no wonder that they are not let on board. Also, the planes are property of the airlines and they can make the rules that they want to have, which means no guns on board.

4. well, there are angry victims of crimes, criminals who may have scores to settle with their accusers, etc. etc. etc. Safety is paramount as known places where a criminal will be at a certain time would make it real easy for his associates to spring him from jail. Meaning they could violently break their compatriot out of imprisonment. So from a safety view not a desirable thing.

5. really? Not allowing guns around Trump is a no-brainer IMHO, he would be (just like other president before him to a certain degree) a perfect target for either a terrorist or a deranged lone wolf. There is no sound reason to not bar guns from the vicinity of the leader of a country.

6. Drugs, drugs, drugs, drugs, weapons, weapons, weapons and more weapons. Those are the reasons why the US is not the safest country in the world. Because just like people have guns, criminals also have real easy access to weapons. Add to that the horror of the drugs epidemic in the US, make that it is not the safest country in the world.

 

[Bucky]

6. Drugs, drugs, drugs, drugs, weapons, weapons, weapons and more weapons. Those are the reasons why the US is not the safest country in the world. Because just like people have guns, criminals also have real easy access to weapons. Add to that the horror of the drugs epidemic in the US, make that it is not the safest country in the world.

We live in a country where gun activists believe it is okay for people to buy machine guns. The NRA has people believing they need a gun to protect themselves from this mystical tyrannical government.

 

[Peter King]

With such strict gun laws, why isn't Russia as safe as the UK, and why is Vermont and New Hampshire safer than California? Why don't more gun laws make us safe?

Again drugs and crime in Russia. The lack of good policing and a wild west attitude in Russia causes it to be not as safe as the UK.

And Vermont and New Hampshire do not have the same level of drugs issues. Sure they too have drugs problems but with the proximity to Mexico in California and the big cities that state has, it will undoubtedly have more drugs issues that small states.

And stricter gun laws cannot work in a country with that many illegal weapons and that much of a drugs problem.

 

[Rucker61]

We live in a country where gun activists believe it is okay for people to buy machine guns. The NRA has people believing they need a gun to protect themselves from this mystical tyrannical government.

Most people that own fully automatic weapons (a few hundred thousand) now do so because they are fun to shoot.

 

[vegas giants]

Most people that own fully automatic weapons (a few hundred thousand) now do so because they are fun to shoot.

And there is rarely a crime committed with a fully auto weapon. Gun control works

 

[Peter King]

We live in a country where gun activists believe it is okay for people to buy machine guns. The NRA has people believing they need a gun to protect themselves from this mystical tyrannical government.

But none of these things change anything about the drugs epidemic. As long as that is not solved and people do not feel safer, people are wanting to arm themselves and sadly the NRA is using the money from their supporters in making sure that laws that are generally well agreed upon by most people not get written into law.

But that is a political issue, not really a gun rights issue on most levels.

And sadly the government is not helping itself with the tyranny issue. Now I agree that it is not a really realistic fear, but if normal police offices keep arming themselves up with former military gear and keep using civil forfeiture to the level this current administration wants it to be used, add to that the issues with the police, you cannot help but having an image of a jackbooted government even though I think it is hardly as bad in the US than what the NRA and militias make it sound.

 

[vegas giants]

But none of these things change anything about the drugs epidemic. As long as that is not solved and people do not feel safer, people are wanting to arm themselves and sadly the NRA is using the money from their supporters in making sure that laws that are generally well agreed upon by most people not get written into law.

But that is a political issue, not really a gun rights issue on most levels.

And sadly the government is not helping itself with the tyranny issue. Now I agree that it is not a really realistic fear, but if normal police offices keep arming themselves up with former military gear and keep using civil forfeiture to the level this current administration wants it to be used, add to that the issues with the police, you cannot help but having an image of a jackbooted government even though I think it is hardly as bad in the US than what the NRA and militias make it sound.

But guns certainly do not make us safer

 

[Rucker61]

And there is rarely a crime committed with a fully auto weapon. Gun control works

So the solution is to ban the sale of all guns manufactured after today so that the price of current guns goes up by several orders of magnitude?

Have we found a way to successfully prevent the smuggling of illegal items into the country?

 

[jimbo]

Lets take one at a time. Are you saying the NRA has NEVER restricted guns at their convention or events?

If you know of a case where they did, this would be a good time and place to point it out.

 

[vegas giants]

So the solution is to ban the sale of all guns manufactured after today so that the price of current guns goes up by several orders of magnitude?

Have we found a way to successfully prevent the smuggling of illegal items into the country?

I'm glad you admit the gun control of fully auto weapons works

 

[Bucky]

Most people that own fully automatic weapons (a few hundred thousand) now do so because they are fun to shoot.

Ya, let us give ordinary citizens access to grenade launchers, sniper rifles, or tracking point rifles?

Hell, let's just let citizens buy nuclear weapons. You guys can somehow interpret that as a constitutional right.

 

[Peter King]

But guns certainly do not make us safer

But is that a guns issue or a crime/drugs issue, I think it is the latter but it is not being helped by the masses of guns issue. But without crack, meth, cocaine and heroin the gun problem would be much smaller. And thus it would make the US much safer than it is now.

 

[vegas giants]

If you know of a case where they did, this would be a good time and place to point it out.

I concede the NRA fights to have people carry guns at their conventions

 

[Rucker61]

But none of these things change anything about the drugs epidemic. As long as that is not solved and people do not feel safer, people are wanting to arm themselves and sadly the NRA is using the money from their supporters in making sure that laws that are generally well agreed upon by most people not get written into law.

That's because those laws aren't Constitutional, effective, enforceable and would be enforced. Most people don't know enough about guns statistics and our legal history to have a valid opinion about gun control.