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If gender is a social construct

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Then it seems not sensical to claim that gender identity is something that's inborn.

If you're innately a certain x, then that x can't be socially constructed. It is by definition biogically constructed.
 
Then it seems not sensical to claim that gender identity is something that's inborn.

If you're innately a certain x, then that x can't be socially constructed. It is by definition biogically constructed.

Something not being a choice doesn’t mean it’s “inborn”.
 
Something not being a choice doesn’t mean it’s “inborn”.
Even if we assume that somehow your environment molded your brain to be choiceless in the matter we are still left with something that's not a social construct but something that was forced upon your biology after birth.

it still would be biological and not social.
 
Even if we assume that somehow your environment molded your brain to be choiceless in the matter we are still left with something that's not a social construct but something that was forced upon your biology after birth.

it still would be biological and not social.

By that definition, nothing is social. Because every single belief you have is “molded into your brain”.
 
It's the classic free will debate. Do we actually have free will and the ability to choose or is everything already molded into our brains and our behavior is predetermined.
 
Then it seems not sensical to claim that gender identity is something that's inborn.

If you're innately a certain x, then that x can't be socially constructed. It is by definition biogically constructed.
Everything is an illusion, my "undisclosed".
 
Then it seems not sensical to claim that gender identity is something that's inborn.

If you're innately a certain x, then that x can't be socially constructed. It is by definition biogically constructed.

"If".

The amazing stupidity of saying "if".



"Gender" is how society expects a biological male to behave and how it expects a biological female to behave, at a given point in time. These shift over time. A manly 18th century gentlemen dressed and behaved in a way that would get him called the f** slur by a Trumpist, yet then was the height of manly aspiration for the upper class. Etc.

You really couldn't figure this out? After all the times it has been painstakingly explained to you? It was just... a blank? Still?

Then it seems not sensical to claim that gender identity is something that's inborn.

If you're innately a certain x, then that x can't be socially constructed. It is by definition biogically constructed.
Even if we assume that somehow your environment molded your brain to be choiceless in the matter we are still left with something that's not a social construct but something that was forced upon your biology after birth.

it still would be biological and not social.

"inborn"? "innately"? "biologically constructed"?

You're babbling, dude. I know you think you're debating. But all your doing is using loaded terms you personally invented - not even a dictionary definition, let alone a definition in a given field of science - to try to hamfistedly frame the debate. The problem is that nobody else has to use your terms so your stupid ****ing trap fails.



Biology determines sex. Gender is determined by a given society at a given time. Things would be a lot easier and a lot less pointlessly cruel if people like you could just stop worrying about whether or not someone's gender matches their biological sex to your satisfaction.
 
Then it seems not sensical to claim that gender identity is something that's inborn.

If you're innately a certain x, then that x can't be socially constructed. It is by definition biogically constructed.
Our gender identity is innate. that question of nature vs nurture was answered years ago.

However what is sociially constructed is how the persons expresses their gender in what are the locally socially predetermined expressions.
 
Then it seems not sensical to claim that gender identity is something that's inborn.

If you're innately a certain x, then that x can't be socially constructed. It is by definition biogically constructed.
Yet, it can be obviously be multifaceted.
 
Yes. You aren’t born with handedness, yet handedness is not a choice.

Same with eye dominance, walking gait, lots of other factors.
You mean left of right handedness? If it weren't inborn why are the majority right handed?

AI:
While being left-handed does have a genetic component, it is not solely determined by genetics; research indicates that left-handedness is a complex trait influenced by multiple genes with a relatively low heritability, meaning environmental factors also play a significant role in determining hand preference
 
By that definition, nothing is social. Because every single belief you have is “molded into your brain”.
The things that we have a choice in would be social. That's why I mentioned no choice.
 
You mean left of right handedness? If it weren't inborn why are the majority right handed?

AI:
While being left-handed does have a genetic component, it is not solely determined by genetics; research indicates that left-handedness is a complex trait influenced by multiple genes with a relatively low heritability, meaning environmental factors also play a significant role in determining hand preference

It could have something to do with the fact that right handed people tend to teach their babies to use their right hands for things as well, causing the pathways for right handedness to grow in their brains.

The centuries of beating left handed children for using their left hands that only ended relatively recently also has something to do with it.
 
The things that we have a choice in would be social. That's why I mentioned no choice.

Except by your standard you never make any choices. Everything you do is based on things encoded in your brain and thus nothing is social.
 
The centuries of beating left handed children for using their left hands that only ended relatively recently also has something to do with it.
I assume only republicans beat their children for being left handed...liberals were too enlightened.
 
It's the classic free will debate. Do we actually have free will and the ability to choose or is everything already molded into our brains and our behavior is predetermined.

The answer from neurobiology? No we do not have free will. Not even a little bit. It's all an illusion.



Here is why the illusion of free will evolved as a byproduct of the evolution of consciousness/sentience in biological organisms:

 
I assume only republicans beat their children for being left handed...liberals were too enlightened.

Did I say that? Beating kids was the standard across the political spectrum until just a few years ago. Hell, even today conservatives still advocate for hitting kids.
 
You mean left of right handedness? If it weren't inborn why are the majority right handed?

AI:
While being left-handed does have a genetic component, it is not solely determined by genetics; research indicates that left-handedness is a complex trait influenced by multiple genes with a relatively low heritability, meaning environmental factors also play a significant role in determining hand preference
Based on that AI statement, left handedness is not inborn. This is due to the effect of environmental factors.
 
Based on that AI statement, left handedness is not inborn. This is due to the effect of environmental factors.
You mean left of right handedness? If it weren't inborn why are the majority right handed?

AI:
While being left-handed does have a genetic component, it is not solely determined by genetics; research indicates that left-handedness is a complex trait influenced by multiple genes with a relatively low heritability, meaning environmental factors also play a significant role in determining hand preference

I think the AI response splits the baby in the middle. However if there was no genetic component why are the majority right handed?
 
Our gender identity is innate. that question of nature vs nurture was answered years ago.

However what is sociially constructed is how the persons expresses their gender in what are the locally socially predetermined expressions.
But it's nonsensical to claim something is innate that isn't yet defined.
 
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