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"If Everyone Had Voted, Harris Still Would Have Lost"

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"If Everyone Had Voted, Harris Still Would Have Lost:

New data, based on authoritative voter records, suggests that Donald Trump would have done even better in 2024 with higher turnout."



By Nate Cohn

New York Times

June 26, 2025



Young, nonwhite and irregular voters defected by the millions to Mr. Trump, costing Ms. Harris both the Electoral College and the popular vote.

The findings suggest that Mr. Trump’s brand of conservative populism once again turned politics-as-usual upside down, as his gains among disengaged voters deprived Democrats of their traditional advantage with this group, who are disproportionately young and nonwhite.


Discussion:

What do you have in common with these young and non-white voters? How do we make sure that the populist majority gets heard in both parties? How do we advance the items that most people do agree on?

I have personally seen people from both political parties desire:

-- no new wars.
-- less corrupt money from corporations, lobbyists, and defense contractors.
-- younger candidates to replace very old members of Congress.

Thank you.
 
I saw this. It's distressing that an overwhelming majority of people did not find Trump's language, track record, and attempt to overturn democracy disqualifying. Even if Harris was not an ideal candidate, it really does not speak well of Americans that they would vote for someone so obviously corrupt and mean-spirited. We have to hope that once Trump himself is no longer a candidate, the insanity will end, I guess.
 
I saw this. It's distressing that an overwhelming majority of people did not find Trump's language, track record, and attempt to overturn democracy disqualifying. Even if Harris was not an ideal candidate, it really does not speak well of Americans that they would vote for someone so obviously corrupt and mean-spirited. We have to hope that once Trump himself is no longer a candidate, the insanity will end, I guess.
Americans have NEVER been the type of people that can understand empathy. Not in their character. Trump is a vile human being. Americans will love that!
 
I saw this. It's distressing that an overwhelming majority of people did not find Trump's language, track record, and attempt to overturn democracy disqualifying. Even if Harris was not an ideal candidate, it really does not speak well of Americans that they would vote for someone so obviously corrupt and mean-spirited. We have to hope that once Trump himself is no longer a candidate, the insanity will end, I guess.
People voted their wallets last year. Biden had an overall job approval of 39%/57% disapproval and 34% approval/63% disapproval on how Biden and company were handling inflation, rising prices.

https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/joe-biden/approval-rating

https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/joe-biden/issues/inflation

Given those numbers it’s amazing Harris came as close as she did. No sitting president has won reelection nor has his replacement won the election when a sitting president had an overall job approval of below 50%. The list.

1952 Truman 33%, his replacement Stevenson lost to Eisenhower

1968 LBJ 43%, his replacement Humphrey lost to Nixon

1976 Ford 45%, Ford lost reelection to Carter

1980 Carter 37%, Carter lost reelection to Reagan

1992 G.H.W. Bush 34%, Bush lost reelection to Bill Clinton

2008 G.W. Bush 28%, his replacement McCain lost to Obama

2020 Trump 43%, Trump lost reelection to Biden

2024 Biden 39%, his replacement Harris lost to Trump.

If one goes by history, the republicans should have won in a landslide last year. They didn’t. Carter, 1980 had similar approval numbers as Biden did last year. Compare them, Reagan won by 10 points over Anderson who received 7% of the vote, Carter 41%, while Trump won last year by 1.5 points with Harris receiving 48%. Reagan won 489 electoral votes to Trump’s 312, Reagan carried 44 states to Trump carrying 31. The republicans gained 35 house seats in 1980, the republicans LOST TWO house seats last year, whereas the GOP gained 12 senate seats 1980, the republicans gained 4.

So, why no landslide? There should have been one if one uses history as an example. The answer is simple, the republicans nominated Trump. Which say a ton more about Trump than Harris, Biden and the democrats. The nomination of Trump prevented a huge landslide win by the GOP which should have happened, if one goes by historical standards.
 
Americans have NEVER been the type of people that can understand empathy. Not in their character. Trump is a vile human being. Americans will love that!
Yep, he's a straight talker, shoots from the hip. Which would be fine if what the demented dolt says wasn't ignorant garbage-but then the MAGA mouth-breathers wouldn't understand him...covfefe and oranges for the win!
 
"If Everyone Had Voted, Harris Still Would Have Lost:

New data, based on authoritative voter records, suggests that Donald Trump would have done even better in 2024 with higher turnout."



By Nate Cohn

New York Times

June 26, 2025






Discussion:

What do you have in common with these young and non-white voters? How do we make sure that the populist majority gets heard in both parties? How do we advance the items that most people do agree on?

I have personally seen people from both political parties desire:


-- no new wars.
-- less corrupt money from corporations, lobbyists, and defense contractors.
-- younger candidates to replace very old members of Congress.

Thank you.
I've said this in numerous threads.
The big problem I see is that Democrats don't have a way to reach the people who are being mislead by their "news" algorithms. If a person is always clicking stories about "illegals", that's all they are going to see in their feeds - MSN, Facebook, FOX, etc.
 
I've said this in numerous threads.
The big problem I see is that Democrats don't have a way to reach the people who are being mislead by their "news" algorithms. If a person is always clicking stories about "illegals", that's all they are going to see in their feeds - MSN, Facebook, FOX, etc.
Works both ways though, doesn't it? The same argument could be applied to MAGA Republicans who drink in every word uttered by Trump like manna from heaven, regardless of its absurdity, ignorance and dishonesty, and then compounded by the White House Barbie, Leavitt.
 
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Works both ways though, doesn't it? The same argument could be applied to MAGA Republicans who drink in every word uttered by Trump like manna from heaven, regardless of its absurdity, ignorance and dishonesty, and then compounded by the White House Barbie, Leavitt.
I think we're saying the same things. Most people who supported Trump only ever saw the MAGA perversion of the Democrat's messages. Democrats never came up with a way to reach those people.
 
1. Inflation. Of all the reasons she lost, this one wasn't really the fault of the Democrats or her. The entire world experienced post pandemic inflation, often worse than we experienced. Moreover, our economic recovery in the wake of the pandemic was the strongest of any major economy on earth. Just the same, people, rightly, hate inflation, and the party in power gets tarred with it.

2. Her 2019 presidential campaign. In 2019, she listened to the cultural left, and as a result, took on positions that well outside of the mainstream of America: Full decriminalization of illegal immigration, the Green New Deal, Medicare for All, and a ban on Fracking. Sure, she has since changed her position on these, but they have provided plenty of campaign material for the Trump campaign to run ads showing her, often on video, demonstrating her past support. The negative ad Trump ran showing Harris supporting taxpayer funded trans surgeries for federal inmates and illegals was the most effective negative ad of all time and swung the race nearly 3 points in his favor.

3. Crime. The political damage done by progressive prosecutors and the far left when it comes to public perceptions of crime has been incalculable. Yes, crime did drop in 2023, however there are many major cities were property crime rates and violent crime is still much higher than it was in the 2010s. If you want to explain the fall off in support from Blacks for Democrats, look no further than this. Regardless of your race or politics, law and order are consistently popular.

4. Terrible governance (often driven by the cultural left) of many major cities. If Democrats want to know why they lost support among minority voters in 2024, just look at the state of the typical city park. If a Black parent cannot let their kids play in the local park because it is overrun with junkies and a homeless encampment, they are much less likely to vote Democrat at the top of the ticket.

At the national level, the United States electorate leans center right. This notion that Democrats just need a more progressive candidate on the national ticket is a recipe for a landslide Republican win. Democrats have ran solidly leftwing presidential candidates in 1972, 1984, and 1988. Those were all horrific loses for Democrats. There are people that argue that it is a different electorate since then. Okay, if that is the case, why did Bill Clinton leave office as the most popular president since FDR? Over the last 20 years, why have all the most popular governors been moderate Republicans in Blue states? Why did Obama run in 2008 as a pragmatic moderate? Why is there no member of the squad representing a competitive congressional district?

If you want to see what a winning future is for Democrats at a national level, look at someone like Governor Jared Polis.
 
"If Everyone Had Voted, Harris Still Would Have Lost:

New data, based on authoritative voter records, suggests that Donald Trump would have done even better in 2024 with higher turnout."



By Nate Cohn

New York Times

June 26, 2025






Discussion:

What do you have in common with these young and non-white voters? How do we make sure that the populist majority gets heard in both parties? How do we advance the items that most people do agree on?

I have personally seen people from both political parties desire:


-- no new wars.
-- less corrupt money from corporations, lobbyists, and defense contractors.
-- younger candidates to replace very old members of Congress.

Thank you.
No one cares.
 
IF, even after Trump’s last five months, we would re-elect this turd then we deserve everything we have coming.

And we are not going to appreciate the drubbing we have coming.

The, “I told you so’s.”, shall only be increasing, you lovely folk who saw so fit as to vote against your own working and middle class interests.
 
1. Inflation. Of all the reasons she lost, this one wasn't really the fault of the Democrats or her. The entire world experienced post pandemic inflation, often worse than we experienced. Moreover, our economic recovery in the wake of the pandemic was the strongest of any major economy on earth. Just the same, people, rightly, hate inflation, and the party in power gets tarred with it.

2. Her 2019 presidential campaign. In 2019, she listened to the cultural left, and as a result, took on positions that well outside of the mainstream of America: Full decriminalization of illegal immigration, the Green New Deal, Medicare for All, and a ban on Fracking. Sure, she has since changed her position on these, but they have provided plenty of campaign material for the Trump campaign to run ads showing her, often on video, demonstrating her past support. The negative ad Trump ran showing Harris supporting taxpayer funded trans surgeries for federal inmates and illegals was the most effective negative ad of all time and swung the race nearly 3 points in his favor.

3. Crime. The political damage done by progressive prosecutors and the far left when it comes to public perceptions of crime has been incalculable. Yes, crime did drop in 2023, however there are many major cities were property crime rates and violent crime is still much higher than it was in the 2010s. If you want to explain the fall off in support from Blacks for Democrats, look no further than this. Regardless of your race or politics, law and order are consistently popular.

4. Terrible governance (often driven by the cultural left) of many major cities. If Democrats want to know why they lost support among minority voters in 2024, just look at the state of the typical city park. If a Black parent cannot let their kids play in the local park because it is overrun with junkies and a homeless encampment, they are much less likely to vote Democrat at the top of the ticket.

At the national level, the United States electorate leans center right. This notion that Democrats just need a more progressive candidate on the national ticket is a recipe for a landslide Republican win. Democrats have ran solidly leftwing presidential candidates in 1972, 1984, and 1988. Those were all horrific loses for Democrats. There are people that argue that it is a different electorate since then. Okay, if that is the case, why did Bill Clinton leave office as the most popular president since FDR? Over the last 20 years, why have all the most popular governors been moderate Republicans in Blue states? Why did Obama run in 2008 as a pragmatic moderate? Why is there no member of the squad representing a competitive congressional district?

If you want to see what a winning future is for Democrats at a national level, look at someone like Governor Jared Polis.

Trying to present a ‘reimagined’ Harris as no longer being a California Progressive and as being some sort of change candidate (while she was unable to name a single Biden/Harris policy she would have changed) was doomed from the start. Simply running as ‘not Trump’ didn’t work for Harris/Walz and wouldn’t have worked for Biden/Harris.
 
I've said this in numerous threads.
The big problem I see is that Democrats don't have a way to reach the people who are being mislead by their "news" algorithms. If a person is always clicking stories about "illegals", that's all they are going to see in their feeds - MSN, Facebook, FOX, etc.
The Democrats are getting defunded for the same reasons PBS is getting defunded. They are both addressing the interests of the LGBTQPOCIA+ community, and NO ONE else.
 
And yet they say we're a Christian nation.

🤣🤣🤣🤣
 
The Democrats are getting defunded for the same reasons PBS is getting defunded. They are both addressing the interests of the LGBTQPOCIA+ community, and NO ONE else.
Thank you for more evidence of the power of the right wing angertainment algorithm.
 
Not surprising. Biden pretty much ignored or dismissed the issues people cared about most during his presidency. Harris didn't do anything to distance herself from the disaster, at one time even saying she wouldn't have done anything different.
 
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