If Conservatives believe in the free market, why do they say the market is rigged against them and controlled by "Globalists"?

[The Mark]

Conservatives say they believe in the free market, but conservatives like Trump claim that the market is rigged against conservatives and the market is controlled by ''Globalists".

It seems like Conservatives only believe in the free market if the market works well for them, if they fail at something in business or there is a market decision or a corporation screws them over, then someone cheated, they played fair, but someone else cheated them out of what they deserve. Back in the 80s, people were saying Japan was too successful and thus was cheating, Trump said every country besides the US was cheating and now grifters like Steve Bannon are saying hard-working conservatives are being cheated by Globalists, bringing up an antisemitic excuse for any conservatives who don't get what they feel like they deserve.

So Conservatives will demand everyone else adhere to an absolutely unregulated market and if they fail, it's their own fault, and then will say the market is unfair and rigged against them, seemingly wanting to opt out whenever they think it's unfair.

So a question, if a business decides to move a plant from the US to Mexico, is that the free market in action or is that an unjust manipulation of the market?

A free market is an impossibility.

It does not, has not, and cannot exist.

Edit: The question is only how much regulation is necessary to prevent the actions that would break the market.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Because governments have tremendous influence over the market and the left wing of government is a bunch of globalist who think we ought to have a global economy where we support everyone else. The market in a free economy will successfully regulate itself with only the most minimum influence by government.

Thus you must think the Trade War with China started by the Trump administration was a mistake.

 

[Bullseye]

Conservatives say they believe in the free market, but conservatives like Trump claim that the market is rigged against conservatives and the market is controlled by ''Globalists".

It seems like Conservatives only believe in the free market if the market works well for them, if they fail at something in business or there is a market decision or a corporation screws them over, then someone cheated, they played fair, but someone else cheated them out of what they deserve. Back in the 80s, people were saying Japan was too successful and thus was cheating, Trump said every country besides the US was cheating and now grifters like Steve Bannon are saying hard-working conservatives are being cheated by Globalists, bringing up an antisemitic excuse for any conservatives who don't get what they feel like they deserve.

So Conservatives will demand everyone else adhere to an absolutely unregulated market and if they fail, it's their own fault, and then will say the market is unfair and rigged against them, seemingly wanting to opt out whenever they think it's unfair.

So a question, if a business decides to move a plant from the US to Mexico, is that the free market in action or is that an unjust manipulation of the market?

They say that to illustrate what the find objectionable in today's market. This isn't rocket science, dude. Try to keep up. Try thinking instead of spewing knee jerk slop.

 

[Yes_Minister]

OK you chose to embarrass yourself. Disney falsely attacked the state. State said fine - attack us and you're losing the favorable tax treatment we've given you. No one is proposing regulating any company based on gay characters.

No you are pre framing my response to avoid direct answering of questions.

Why is Disney woke and Amazon isn't? Is Florida wanting to change the real estate arrangement with Disney interfering with the free market or not?

 

[Yes_Minister]

They say that to illustrate what the find objectionable in today's market. This isn't rocket science, dude. Try to keep up. Try thinking instead of spewing knee jerk slop.

So everyone else has to adhere to a totally unregulated market, but conservatives demand the right to change the market based on what they find objectionable? How is that fair or even logical?

 

[Mycroft]

So you're anti-Globalist because it requires bribery? Do you even believe in Democracy?

Read the definition.

 

[Yes_Minister]

So you're anti-Globalist because it requires bribery? Do you even believe in Democracy?

I am not sure if you are kidding or not, but no, I am a leftist who wants to stop these corporations from ruining the world, the right-wingers say they oppose corporate power but propose nothing meaningful to oppose corporate power.

 

[The Mark]

I am not sure if you are kidding or not, but no, I am a leftist who wants to stop these corporations from ruining the world, the right-wingers say they oppose corporate power but propose nothing meaningful to oppose corporate power.

Opposing corporate power requires taking power away from corporations, by force if necessary.

Corporations fund both Republicans and Democrats.

 

[Yes_Minister]

Opposing corporate power requires taking power away from corporations, by force if necessary.

Corporations fund both Republicans and Democrats.

I don't disagree with any of that.

 

[Yes_Minister]

A free market is an impossibility.

It does not, has not, and cannot exist.

Edit: The question is only how much regulation is necessary to prevent the actions that would break the market.

I know this, I am saying it's hypocritical for conservatives to say they believe in a free market and then say the system is rigged when it doesn't work out for them. They believe in the so-called free market when it promotes the hierarchies they like and then demand it be changed when it no longer promotes every hierarchy they like. '

Conservatives are fine with Bezos paying no taxes and treating his workers like robots, but they will Bezos is being unfair if he gave money to some pro-trans group or something.

 

[The Mark]

I know this, I am saying it's hypocritical for conservatives to say they believe in a free market and then say the system is rigged when it doesn't work out for them. They believe in the so-called free market when it promotes the hierarchies they like and then demand it be changed when it no longer promotes every hierarchy they like. '

Conservatives are fine with Bezos paying no taxes and treating his workers like robots, but they will Bezos is being unfair if he gave money to some pro-trans group or something.

That's because they want to be Bezos, and also want to hate the "other".

 

[Bullseye]

So everyone else has to adhere to a totally unregulated market, but conservatives demand the right to change the market based on what they find objectionable? How is that fair or even logical?

How the hell do you come up with this crap?

 

[Yes_Minister]

That's because they want to be Bezos, and also want to hate the "other".

Exactly, they only like the so called free when it rewards their allies and punishes their enemies.

How the hell do you come up with this crap?

I don't know, the lack of consistency from conservatives regarding what counts as interfering with the free market or not? The weird conspiracy theories about Globalists whenever the market does something they don't like?

 

[iguanaman]

LMAO - did you even read the article???

From the article:

Few economists would go as far as Trump and Sanders (and Democratic Senator Elizabeth Warren) in saying the entire system is "rigged," but it's hard to deny some key facts about the U.S. economy:​

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-America's middle class is shrinking​

-A typical family is earning the same today as in 1996​

-The majority of Americans believe their children will be worse off than them financially​

-Men, especially white men, have fallen out of the job market​

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Mere hours before Trump delivered his speech, the International Monetary Fund put out a highly critical assessment of the U.S. economy. A key red flag, the IMF said, the high rate of poverty and inequality in the world's No. 1 economy.​

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"The latest data shows almost 15% of Americans -- or 46.7 million people -- living in poverty," IMF director Christine Lagarde said, warning that unless that changes, it will "corrode the underpinnings of growth...and hold back gains in U.S. living standards."​

At best, you might argue hyperbole on the part of Trump (and let's not forget Sanders too), but you can't argue the facts.

And as to the system being manipulated - you might ask yourself what the Fed's role is in our system - and what it's been doing these past months ostensibly to curtail inflation - and then tell us the system isn't rigged.

Inflation is falling and the rise in interest rates has something to do with it right? Let's hope they're smarter than the Fed was under Carter when they raised rates to 15% trying to stop "inflation" that was actually caused by a tripling of oil prices so it wasn't controllable by interest rates. The economy went into recession and "stagflation" until the rates went down again under Reagan.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

Sorry it was over your head. Ask the OP to state his thesis in simpler terms.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

Because governments have tremendous influence over the market and the left wing of government is a bunch of globalist who think we ought to have a global economy where we support everyone else. The market in a free economy will successfully regulate itself with only the most minimum influence by government.

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[SNOWFLAKE]

sigh...

A lot of people say a lot of things, that doesn't mean "conservatives" all say it. Put away your broad brush.

Reagan is irrelevant. So is your "Jewish" card and your "gay" card and past actions taken by companies and governments. Look at what's happening right now.

It is NEVER good legislation to force companies to do things. It's ALWAYS better to dump any such legislation and regulations and let companies make their own decisions. Get the government out of the damned way...they just **** things up.

Globalists WANT government to **** things up.

Globalist | #TranslateHate

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The Origins of the 'Globalist' Slur

President Trump recently used the epithet to describe his outgoing National Economic Council director—but the seeds of its disparaging use were firmly planted 75 years ago.

www.theatlantic.com

How did the term 'globalist' become an anti-Semitic slur? Blame Bannon

White Supremacists Have Used the Term as a Barely Concealed Dog-whistle for Several Years, but the Problem Comes When It’s Used in the ‘Globalist vs. Nationalist’ Economic Debate

www.haaretz.com

Community | Yes, Ranting Against ‘Globalism’ Is Anti-Semitic

Globalist' is a term with an anti-semitic history, and it's often understood as code for 'Jews.' Learn more about Globalism.

forward.com

 

[smallvoice]

Where has this "free market" you describe ever existed?

No where a liberal has ever set foot...

 

[Mycroft]

Globalist | #TranslateHate

Translate Hate was created by American Jewish Committee (AJC) to explain antisemitism. This glossary aims to improve media literacy on antisemitism and hate, especially in the digital realm. See when Globalist is antisemitic.

www.ajc.org

The Origins of the 'Globalist' Slur

President Trump recently used the epithet to describe his outgoing National Economic Council director—but the seeds of its disparaging use were firmly planted 75 years ago.

www.theatlantic.com

How did the term 'globalist' become an anti-Semitic slur? Blame Bannon

White Supremacists Have Used the Term as a Barely Concealed Dog-whistle for Several Years, but the Problem Comes When It’s Used in the ‘Globalist vs. Nationalist’ Economic Debate

www.haaretz.com

Community | Yes, Ranting Against ‘Globalism’ Is Anti-Semitic

Globalist' is a term with an anti-semitic history, and it's often understood as code for 'Jews.' Learn more about Globalism.

forward.com

Not much of an argument from you when all you do is repeat what someone else said.

You are dismissed.

 

[Bullseye]

Exactly, they only like the so called free when it rewards their allies and punishes their enemies.



I don't know, the lack of consistency from conservatives regarding what counts as interfering with the free market or not? The weird conspiracy theories about Globalists whenever the market does something they don't like?

Again, where do you come up with this nonsense? All you spew is meaningless non sequiturs. How about a few specifics?

 

[Yes_Minister]

Again, where do you come up with this nonsense? All you spew is meaningless non sequiturs. How about a few specifics?

Okay, so is this interfering with the free market or not?

Donald Trump says the whole economy is 'rigged'

Donald Trump is trying to woo Bernie Sanders supporters. On Wednesday, he said the 'whole economy' is 'rigged,' a line Sanders often uses.

money.cnn.com

Also when Trump and Bannon say the banks are controlled by globalists, are they saying businesses are good when controlled by Conservatives, but bad when they are controlled by ''globalists''?

Globalism: A Far-Right Conspiracy Theory Buoyed by Trump (Published 2016)

Analysts who track U.S. extremist groups have expressed alarm at the president-elect’s use of the word, a staple of antigovernment conspiracy theories.

www.nytimes.com

So is it a free market or a rigged system, what is it?

 

[Bullseye]

Okay, so is this interfering with the free market or not?

Donald Trump says the whole economy is 'rigged'

Donald Trump is trying to woo Bernie Sanders supporters. On Wednesday, he said the 'whole economy' is 'rigged,' a line Sanders often uses.

money.cnn.com

Also when Trump and Bannon say the banks are controlled by globalists, are they saying businesses are good when controlled by Conservatives, but bad when they are controlled by ''globalists''?

Globalism: A Far-Right Conspiracy Theory Buoyed by Trump (Published 2016)

Analysts who track U.S. extremist groups have expressed alarm at the president-elect’s use of the word, a staple of antigovernment conspiracy theories.

www.nytimes.com

So is it a free market or a rigged system, what is it?

So, now you're citing Trump as a verifiable source.

 

[Rawley]

No you are pre framing my response to avoid direct answering of questions.

Why is Disney woke and Amazon isn't? Is Florida wanting to change the real estate arrangement with Disney interfering with the free market or not?

I answered your question directly. No. Companies should not be regulated for displaying gay characters. Disney wasn't regulated for including gay characters in their content.

The state providing tax breaks to them decades ago was interfering with the free market.

 

[Yes_Minister]

I answered your question directly. No. Companies should not be regulated for displaying gay characters. Disney wasn't regulated for including gay characters in their content.

The state providing tax breaks to them decades ago was interfering with the free market.

Oh really, I thought conservatives thought tax cuts were freeing the market or something? What counts as market interference?

So, now you're citing Trump as a verifiable source.

Do you want to debate or play games? Is Trump right or wrong when he said the system was rigged or is he wrong and the free market is fine? Because conservatives talk out of both sides of their mouth on this issue.

 

[Bullseye]

Oh really, I thought conservatives thought tax cuts were freeing the market or something? What counts as market interference?



Do you want to debate or play games? Is Trump right or wrong when he said the system was rigged or is he wrong and the free market is fine? Because conservatives talk out of both sides of their mouth on this issue.

I guess you thought wrong - or maybe just not deep enough. I'm not interested in discussing Trump's shoot from the hip non sequiturs.