If Affirmative Action Ends, College Admissions May Be Changed Forever

[AGENT J]

Are you saying you want AA gone because you don't like the name? Otherwise, I guess we disagree.

of course not, AA and EEO are great and should be here forever
i want people and orgs to stop calling things AA that are factually not AA.

 

[cpwill]

Those opposed to Affirmative Action either don't understand how it helps white students, or don't believe its benefits are genuine.

That's interesting. So you think only white and Asian students are smart and disciplined enough to get into Harvard on their own, or in numbers?

 

[j brown's body]

The defendants (Harvard and UNC) were unable to define what “diversity” means in the context of their racist admissions practices nor were they able to articulate what their desired end-state of it is.

Its not complicated.

Supreme Court, 1955



Supreme Court, 2023



I hope you get the irony here.

 

[Napoleon]

Its not complicated.

Supreme Court, 1955

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I hope you get the irony here.

You’re right in that it isn’t complicated. The precedent is crystal clear that they have to have a compelling reason to do it and that it has an expiration date. If they don’t even know why they’re doing it and can’t articulate their desired end-state then their reason can’t be compelling. Of course, if you read between the lines they’re doing it for exactly what the precedent prohibits (racial quotas) which is why they’re feigning ignorance.

Additionally, this is an uphill battle for Harvard because they lied to SCOTUS the first time. The same system they’re using now is the system they used to discriminate against Jews in the early 20th century.

 

[j brown's body]

That's interesting. So you think only white and Asian students are smart and disciplined enough to get into Harvard on their own, or in numbers?

By ignoring my main point, you are engaging in fanciful thinking, not reality. The reality is, if Affirmative Action ends, the black student populations of colleges will shrink.

 

[j brown's body]

You’re right in that it isn’t complicated. The precedent is crystal clear that they have to have a compelling reason to do it and that it has an expiration date. If they don’t even know why they’re doing it and can’t articulate their desired end-state then their reason can’t be compelling.

Additionally, this is an uphill battle for Harvard because they lied to SCOTUS the first time. The same system they’re using now is the system they used to discriminate against Jews in the early 20th century.

Stop feigning ignorance. They are interested in admitting as many students from all walks of life as possible in order to have a studwent body that reflects our society.

The Supreme Court itself is clearly a beneficiary of affirmative action, even for its most strident opponent, Clarence Thomas.

 

[Napoleon]

Stop feigning ignorance. They are interested in admitting as many students from all walks of life as possible in order to have a studwent body that reflects our society.

The Supreme Court itself is clearly a beneficiary of affirmative action, even for its most strident opponent, Clarence Thomas.

Harvard denied in oral arguments that they’re doing this at all so take your consternation up with their attorneys.

 

[Acadia]

It looks like colleges are fretting over a return to evaluating applicants based on their marks instead of their race:

If Affirmative Action Ends, College Admissions May Be Changed Forever (Published 2023)

Schools may need to rethink everything, including recruitment, scholarships, standardized testing and alumni preferences.

www.nytimes.com

The diversity industry is worried about protecting their bread-and-butter.

This is the distillation that perfectly summarizes the BLM/DEI/CRT grift.
And what a grift it is! Imagine inventing a need that dictates your goods and services to the tune of billions of dollars.

 

[Peacenik]

It looks like colleges are fretting over a return to evaluating applicants based on their marks instead of their race:

If Affirmative Action Ends, College Admissions May Be Changed Forever (Published 2023)

Schools may need to rethink everything, including recruitment, scholarships, standardized testing and alumni preferences.

www.nytimes.com

The diversity industry is worried about protecting their bread-and-butter.

The repression of blacks in this country is disgusting. And dumb. By repressing blacks, we are passing by unimaginable untapped potential human capital.

Black repression makes our country less.

Reagan wanted to turn the bull loose.

A lot of bulls are black.

 

[j brown's body]

The defendants (Harvard and UNC) were unable to define what “diversity” means in the context of their racist admissions practices nor were they able to articulate what their desired end-state of it is.

Link supporting this claim please.

These colleges didn't have any trouble defining it.

Mass. colleges commit to diversity as Supreme Court may curtail it

As experts believe the Supreme Court may ban affirmative action, some Mass. schools are defending diversity, as studies show that affirmative action bans decrease the number of students of color on college campuses.

www.masslive.com

 

[Napoleon]

Link supporting this claim please.

These colleges didn't have any trouble defining it.

Mass. colleges commit to diversity as Supreme Court may curtail it

As experts believe the Supreme Court may ban affirmative action, some Mass. schools are defending diversity, as studies show that affirmative action bans decrease the number of students of color on college campuses.

www.masslive.com

Read the transcript of the oral arguments.

 

[j brown's body]

This is the distillation that perfectly summarizes the BLM/DEI/CRT grift.
And what a grift it is! Imagine inventing a need that dictates your goods and services to the tune of billions of dollars.

You do realize that these colleges have followed the law and have prevailed in the lower, less ideological courts.


"After a 15-day trial, Judge Burroughs found no intentional discrimination at Harvard and rejected claims of racial animus. The 1st US Circuit Court of Appeals upheld that decision.

In the University of North Carolina case, US District Court Judge Loretta Biggs upheld the schools use of race among many criteria, emphasizing that state institutions of higher education must be “open and available to all segments of our citizenry.”"

Link

 

[j brown's body]

Read the transcript of the oral arguments.

So you cannot produce evidence to support your claim. You want me to go looking for it.

 

[Napoleon]

So you cannot produce evidence to support your claim. You want me to go looking for it.

I told you what it is. The onus is on you to read it.

 

[CaughtInThe]

how totally ****ed up is it that our country was so racist and bigoted that lawmakers (and not the actual citizen base) had to pass Civil Rights and AA??

you know, because churches wouldn't marry black couples. schools wouldn't admit black students/kept minority admissions down. and black/interracial couples couldn't get gas for their car or had to search out hotels that took "their kind".

the racists who wouldn't drop the racism (to this day) only have themselves to blame that government had to step in and make act like decent humans.

 

[j brown's body]

I told you what it is. The onus is on you to read it.

The onus is on you to prove your point, which you cannot or will not do.

Its easier for you to argue that I should do it. lol.

 

[cpwill]

By ignoring my main point, you are engaging in fanciful thinking, not reality. The reality is, if Affirmative Action ends, the black student populations of colleges will shrink.

It might. Graduation rates might remain similar.

However, to be clear, you DON'T, in fact, think that only white or Asian students have the intelligence and discipline to get in, meaning that these campuses will continue to be ethically diverse?

 

[j brown's body]

It might. Graduation rates might remain similar.

However, to be clear, you DON'T, in fact, think that only white or Asian students have the intelligence and discipline to get in, meaning that these campuses will continue to be ethically diverse?

I can only go by facts and not speculation. Ending affirmative action serves to re-segregate schools.

"...Justice Elena Kagan pressed Strawbridge, SFFA’s lawyer, on this point. Given SFFA’s assumption that, as he stated in his opening words before the Court, “racial classifications are wrong,” did the group care, Kagan asked, if Black representation in universities “fell through the floor”? Strawbridge seemed taken aback as Kagan exposed the ultimate logic of his position. If race truly doesn’t matter—if we are genuinely color-blind—why should we be concerned if there are no Black students at Harvard or North Carolina at all?

SSFA has consistently maintained that the abandonment of affirmative action and the adoption of race-neutral policies would yield student populations just as diverse as the current ones—even though this assertion has been disproved by both statistical analysis and the experience of Michigan and California. SSFA celebrated Texas’s “race neutral” “Top Ten Percent” plan to admit the top 10 percent of students from every high school in the state. Yet that plan provided what SSFA regarded as an acceptable level of diversity only because so many school districts were overwhelmingly segregated. SFFA was arguing that race at once mattered and didn’t matter.

Chief Justice John Roberts became caught up in the fallacies of color-blindness as well, asking why a Black applicant from a privileged family in Grosse Pointe, Michigan, should be eligible for an admissions tip. What distinctive experiences of racial identity could such a candidate bring to a university community? But race helps define the lives of Black Americans no matter where they fall on the income scale. The hypothetical Black student from Grosse Pointe is likely at some time in his life to have been followed through a store by a security guard, or to have been underestimated in a class, or to have seen someone cross to the other side of the street when encountering him at night. Professor Henry Louis Gates, of Harvard, was arrested as an intruder in his own home. Wynton Marsalis was stopped by police while driving with members of his band after a gig in Virginia and held at gunpoint on suspicion of bank robbery. White people may have the luxury of thinking race doesn’t matter. Others are not permitted to forget that it does. And yet the SSFA brief insists that “race says nothing about who you are.” One of the group’s lawyers put it this way: Race, he said, is simply “cosmetic.”

Link

 

[dmpi]

I don't think any facts are in dispute. Beniffting one group of people will inherently discriminate against another. Supreme court needs to look at this from few angles. 1) Does it benefit society more than it hurts it? 2) Is the permanent or temporary? If it's temporary when will it end? 3) America needs the best and the brightest if we want to stay on top of the world economically. Is AA going to hurt us or help us?

 

[j brown's body]

I don't think any facts are in dispute. Beniffting one group of people will inherently discriminate against another. Supreme court needs to look at this from few angles. 1) Does it benefit society more than it hurts it? 2) Is the permanent or temporary? If it's temporary when will it end? 3) America needs the best and the brightest if we want to stay on top of the world economically. Is AA going to hurt us or help us?

This country lacks the courage to address the institutional racism that still serves to isolate many blacks in their own communities that lack the resources found in white communities. as long as this goes on Affirmative Action will be necessary for colleges that want their student population to reflect our pluralistic society.

The question is, will the illness be permanent of temporary. Solutions to the illness will end when the illness does.

 

[bave]

This country lacks the courage to address the institutional racism that still serves to isolate many blacks in their own communities that lack the resources found in white communities. as long as this goes on Affirmative Action will be necessary for colleges that want their student population to reflect our pluralistic society.

The question is, will the illness be permanent of temporary. Solutions to the illness will end when the illness does.

So, how long do we discriminate against others to prop up your ideals? Moreover, look at the data. This isn't about race, it is about poverty more than anything else. Poor people tend to struggle more at this unless there is a strong cultural drive and motivation.

Look at the success of asian immigrants in this country. Or hell, illegal immigrants. They face a ton of persecution and poverty, yet they are managing far better, often even with a headwind.

 

[Napoleon]

So, how long do we discriminate against others to prop up your ideals? Moreover, look at the data. This isn't about race, it is about poverty more than anything else. Poor people tend to struggle more at this unless there is a strong cultural drive and motivation.

Look at the success of asian immigrants in this country. Or hell, illegal immigrants. They face a ton of persecution and poverty, yet they are managing far better, often even with a headwind.

What it’s about is institutionalized black supremacy.

 

[bave]

What it’s about is institutionalized black supremacy.

There hits a point where you just have to realize that life isn't fair and you have to move on. Lots and lots of people have been crapped on throughout history. I don't care who you are or what your story is, the opportunity exists for everyone here. For some it is easier, some harder, but that's life. Grow up and stop complaining and do the best you can.

 

[Taylor]

This country lacks the courage to address the institutional racism that still serves to isolate many blacks in their own communities

This is a good start. Affirmative action is a prime example of institutional racism.

 

[Jacksprat]

It looks like colleges are fretting over a return to evaluating applicants based on their marks instead of their race:

If Affirmative Action Ends, College Admissions May Be Changed Forever (Published 2023)

Schools may need to rethink everything, including recruitment, scholarships, standardized testing and alumni preferences.

www.nytimes.com

The diversity industry is worried about protecting their bread-and-butter.

What does that mean? People get paid to do diversity?