If a trans (or straight) Mormon confessed to continually raping thousands of 4yos for decades the church has the privilege not to report it.

[CaughtInThe]

Because that's who we are as humans. That's how we protect our children globally and across religions.

 

[Candyman]

But...but...but...Drag Queens!!!!!!!!

 

[Nomad4Ever]

If a trans (or straight)​

The opposite of trans isn't straight?

 

[vegas giants]

Because that's who we are as humans. That's how we protect our children globally and across religions.

A catholic priest does not have to report murder from a confessional

 

[CaughtInThe]

The opposite of trans isn't straight?

shhh. i'm still trying to learn how to create provocative thread titles.

 

[Jezcoe]

This is insane. I get that they believe that God can offer forgiveness... that doesn't mean that they should not have to answer for crime.

 

[CaughtInThe]

A catholic priest does not have to report murder from a confessional

and speaking of that, i've ALWAYS wondered how many unsolved murders were actually known about by priests.

 

[vegas giants]

and speaking of that, i've ALWAYS wondered how many unsolved murders were actually known about by priests.

I don't know

 

[CaughtInThe]

This is insane. I get that they believe that God can offer forgiveness... that doesn't mean that they should not have to answer for crime.

covering up crimes in confession or whatever is a global cancer.

now, others will argue that people will stop confessing about the murders they commit, the rapes they commit and all the other crimes they commit (to their church) if that "privilege" is removed.

and God knows that murderers and rapists need to have a safe place to talk about their murders and rapes.

 

[dmpi]

Ultimately victims need to speak out if they want justice.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Ultimately victims need to speak out if they want justice.

the dead ones?

 

[samiam5211]

Even if it was made illegal, no one is going to prosecute a priest for not reporting something he heard in confessional.

 

[Jezcoe]

Ultimately victims need to speak out if they want justice.

Or... and now hear me out... we can dismantle the organizational structures that protect the abusers.

 

[Questerr]

Ultimately victims need to speak out if they want justice.

It’s nice to see someone besides Daisy/Elora blaming raped children for their abuse not getting reported to the police.

WTF is up with conservatives?

 

[Craig234]

I'm actually in favor of this. It in no way interferes with the full power of society to investigate crimes; it is simply a voluntary issue spiritually for the criminal. It might 'feel' outrageous for a priest to know of horrible crimes, but ending the practice doesn't help solve crimes, really, as criminals stop confessing.

On the other hand, how churches handle such confessions is another matter. Preventing further crimes, possibly demanding they turn themselves in (penance is part of confession), possibly expelling them from the Church, and so on.

 

[Craig234]

Ultimately victims need to speak out if they want justice.

They always know who the perpetrator is.

 

[Jezcoe]

I'm actually in favor of this. It in no way interferes with the full power of society to investigate crimes; it is simply a voluntary issue spiritually for the criminal. It might 'feel' outrageous for a priest to know of horrible crimes, but ending the practice doesn't help solve crimes, really, as criminals stop confessing.

On the other hand, how churches handle such confessions is another matter. Preventing further crimes, possibly demanding they turn themselves in (penance is part of confession), possibly expelling them from the Church, and so on.

Or more likely as we have seen time and time again the church uses it’s institutional power to protect the abuser.

 

[Davin]

Republicans protecting child molesters under the guise of religion.

Republicans also fought to legalize underage girls to be able to marry.

Let that sink in.

 

[Craig234]

Or more likely as we have seen time and time again the church uses it’s institutional power to protect the abuser.

I can only think of cases of that when the abuser has been a church official. I know there has been a lot of demand for change on that, I'm not sure where it is.

 

[Craig234]

Republicans protecting child molesters under the guise of religion.

This isn't really that. It's not like the priest walks in on someone committing a crime, and helps them cover it up. In that case, they need to help the police.

Republicans also fought to legalize underage girls to be able to marry.

Unrelated, its own problem.

 

[Davin]

This isn't really that. It's not like the priest walks in on someone committing a crime, and helps them cover it up. In that case, they need to help the police.



Unrelated, its own problem.

If you know of a crime and don't report it, you are protecting that individual. This is what is being done only under the guise of religion. So yes, Republicans are protecting child molesters if they don't report them.

 

[Craig234]

If you know of a crime and don't report it, you are protecting that individual. This is what is being done only under the guise of religion. So yes, Republicans are protecting child molesters if they don't report them.

'Knowing a crime' is generally a very different situation than the confessional. Should we remove the protection for spousal protection also?

 

[Questerr]

'Knowing a crime' is generally a very different situation than the confessional. Should we remove the protection for spousal protection also?

If someone knows their spouse is abusing their child and they don’t report it to the police or take direct actions to protect their child, they can be held criminally liable.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Or... and now hear me out... we can dismantle the organizational structures that protect the abusers.

as should Islamists.

 

[Craig234]

as should Islamists.

Does Islam have a version of confessional secrecy? I've really only seen it in Catholicism, though the thread raises it for Mormons. I'm not familiar with others including Jewish.