If 99 percent of chickens are raised indoors how are they getting H5N1?

[EnigmaO01]

I had this question in mind so I contacted a state vet that I used to work with when I was involved in aquaculture. I thought the response was interesting and thought I would pass it on.

Current science supports the hypothesis that the virus is being introduced to the commercial poultry which are raised indoors by a couple of potential methods. It is most likely directly from the wild birds flying overhead defecating and the virus gets pulled into the ventilation system of these big houses. The commercial farms tend to get infected along the routes of the flyways that the wild waterfowl use. The other scenario that may be occurring is that the virus gets tracked into the poultry houses by people/equipment. If the wild birds are contaminating the ground and boots are not put on at a dirty/clean line in the building, hands washed, and just general good biosecurity with equipment, feed, etc., the virus can enter that way. I believe the second route is becoming less common with commercial birds because the poultry industry has really ramped up their biosecurity protocols.



Most commonly, when we see infected backyard/hobby flocks, they tend to be mixed flocks with chickens and/or turkeys, etc. WITH waterfowl that may comingle with wild waterfowl or share water sources with them, such as ponds. That is not always the case, but it is what we’ve seen most commonly.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Time for social distancing and mask mandates.

 

[Stealers Wheel]

99% of humans live indoors. How is it we get the flu by the millions every year?

 

[EnigmaO01]

Time for social distancing and mask mandates.

Funny, but having some experience with a lethal virus in the aquaculture industry I can see if the virus jumps from jumps from human to human a halt to chicken and egg sales to backyard hobbyists, testing of those backyard hobbyists mandatory, which if it's anything like aquaculture it will be too expensive for small operations. Probably if a positive is found the hobbyists will be forced slaughter and destroy their birds. They have already made this mandatory in commercial operations that test positive for H5N1.

 

[EnigmaO01]

99% of humans live indoors. How is it we get the flu by the millions every year?

Because we spread the virus indoors between each other. H5N1 has not reached that point yet where it's spread from human to human.

And birds are not presently the vector with human to human viruses.

 

[tshade]

I had this question in mind so I contacted a state vet that I used to work with when I was involved in aquaculture. I thought the response was interesting and thought I would pass it on.

Current science supports the hypothesis that the virus is being introduced to the commercial poultry which are raised indoors by a couple of potential methods. It is most likely directly from the wild birds flying overhead defecating and the virus gets pulled into the ventilation system of these big houses. The commercial farms tend to get infected along the routes of the flyways that the wild waterfowl use. The other scenario that may be occurring is that the virus gets tracked into the poultry houses by people/equipment. If the wild birds are contaminating the ground and boots are not put on at a dirty/clean line in the building, hands washed, and just general good biosecurity with equipment, feed, etc., the virus can enter that way. I believe the second route is becoming less common with commercial birds because the poultry industry has really ramped up their biosecurity protocols.



Most commonly, when we see infected backyard/hobby flocks, they tend to be mixed flocks with chickens and/or turkeys, etc. WITH waterfowl that may comingle with wild waterfowl or share water sources with them, such as ponds. That is not always the case, but it is what we’ve seen most commonly.

viruses are like that.....

I had this question in mind so I contacted a state vet that I used to work with when I was involved in aquaculture. I thought the response was interesting and thought I would pass it on.

Current science supports the hypothesis that the virus is being introduced to the commercial poultry which are raised indoors by a couple of potential methods. It is most likely directly from the wild birds flying overhead defecating and the virus gets pulled into the ventilation system of these big houses. The commercial farms tend to get infected along the routes of the flyways that the wild waterfowl use. The other scenario that may be occurring is that the virus gets tracked into the poultry houses by people/equipment. If the wild birds are contaminating the ground and boots are not put on at a dirty/clean line in the building, hands washed, and just general good biosecurity with equipment, feed, etc., the virus can enter that way. I believe the second route is becoming less common with commercial birds because the poultry industry has really ramped up their biosecurity protocols.



Most commonly, when we see infected backyard/hobby flocks, they tend to be mixed flocks with chickens and/or turkeys, etc. WITH waterfowl that may comingle with wild waterfowl or share water sources with them, such as ponds. That is not always the case, but it is what we’ve seen most commonly.

Viruses are like that

 

[Stealers Wheel]

Because we spread the virus indoors between each other. H5N1 has not reached that point yet where it's spread from human to human.

And birds are not presently the vector with human to human viruses.

But the chickens, living in close quarters, do spread the virus among themselves, right?

Next question: What is the vector of bird flu to humans?

 

[Safiel]

I had this question in mind so I contacted a state vet that I used to work with when I was involved in aquaculture. I thought the response was interesting and thought I would pass it on.

Current science supports the hypothesis that the virus is being introduced to the commercial poultry which are raised indoors by a couple of potential methods. It is most likely directly from the wild birds flying overhead defecating and the virus gets pulled into the ventilation system of these big houses. The commercial farms tend to get infected along the routes of the flyways that the wild waterfowl use. The other scenario that may be occurring is that the virus gets tracked into the poultry houses by people/equipment. If the wild birds are contaminating the ground and boots are not put on at a dirty/clean line in the building, hands washed, and just general good biosecurity with equipment, feed, etc., the virus can enter that way. I believe the second route is becoming less common with commercial birds because the poultry industry has really ramped up their biosecurity protocols.

Most commonly, when we see infected backyard/hobby flocks, they tend to be mixed flocks with chickens and/or turkeys, etc. WITH waterfowl that may comingle with wild waterfowl or share water sources with them, such as ponds. That is not always the case, but it is what we’ve seen most commonly.

I have just 8 birds at the moment, all hens. At certain times of the year I may have 50+ birds on the property, including hens, chicks in the brooder/brooder pens and capons.

Infection by interaction with wild birds is unlikely in my situation. I have 100+ acres up in the mountains. There are some small ponds on the property as well as a number of small brooks, but none are nearby or accessible to the chickens, who get their water exclusively from my watering setup, which is designed in such a way as not to be attractive to wild birds or accessible to them. While they do have full access to outdoor pasturing most of the year, very little interaction occurs with wild birds.

The primary hazard I would face is introduction of pathogens by myself or visitors. I limit access to that area to my wife, myself and my children and we take the necessary bio-security hazard precautions. Gloves and over boots, properly sanitized on entrance and exit. Numerous other bio-security measures are in place.

 

[skews13.]

Because we spread the virus indoors between each other. H5N1 has not reached that point yet where it's spread from human to human.

And birds are not presently the vector with human to human viruses.

Louisiana reports first H5N1 bird flu death in U.S. | AHA News

The Louisiana Department of Health announced Jan. 6 that a patient hospitalized last month for H5N1 bird flu has died, becoming the first U.S. death from the virus. The agency said the individual contracted the virus after exposure to a combination of a backyard flock and wild birds.

www.aha.org

So how long have you been an epidemiologist?

 

[EnigmaO01]

Louisiana reports first H5N1 bird flu death in U.S. | AHA News

The Louisiana Department of Health announced Jan. 6 that a patient hospitalized last month for H5N1 bird flu has died, becoming the first U.S. death from the virus. The agency said the individual contracted the virus after exposure to a combination of a backyard flock and wild birds.

www.aha.org

So how long have you been an epidemiologist?

Are are implying that this was a human to human transmission? it was not.

However I do have a science background including mircrobiology, and some experience with viruses and farm animals

I'm not claiming to be an expert Did you think I was?

 

[EnigmaO01]

I have just 8 birds at the moment, all hens. At certain times of the year I may have 50+ birds on the property, including hens, chicks in the brooder/brooder pens and capons.

Infection by interaction with wild birds is unlikely in my situation. I have 100+ acres up in the mountains. There are some small ponds on the property as well as a number of small brooks, but none are nearby or accessible to the chickens, who get their water exclusively from my watering setup, which is designed in such a way as not to be attractive to wild birds or accessible to them. While they do have full access to outdoor pasturing most of the year, very little interaction occurs with wild birds.

The primary hazard I would face is introduction of pathogens by myself or visitors. I limit access to that area to my wife, myself and my children and we take the necessary bio-security hazard precautions. Gloves and over boots, properly sanitized on entrance and exit. Numerous other bio-security measures are in place.

Good for you.

 

[The Mark]

I had this question in mind so I contacted a state vet that I used to work with when I was involved in aquaculture. I thought the response was interesting and thought I would pass it on.

Current science supports the hypothesis that the virus is being introduced to the commercial poultry which are raised indoors by a couple of potential methods. It is most likely directly from the wild birds flying overhead defecating and the virus gets pulled into the ventilation system of these big houses. The commercial farms tend to get infected along the routes of the flyways that the wild waterfowl use. The other scenario that may be occurring is that the virus gets tracked into the poultry houses by people/equipment. If the wild birds are contaminating the ground and boots are not put on at a dirty/clean line in the building, hands washed, and just general good biosecurity with equipment, feed, etc., the virus can enter that way. I believe the second route is becoming less common with commercial birds because the poultry industry has really ramped up their biosecurity protocols.



Most commonly, when we see infected backyard/hobby flocks, they tend to be mixed flocks with chickens and/or turkeys, etc. WITH waterfowl that may comingle with wild waterfowl or share water sources with them, such as ponds. That is not always the case, but it is what we’ve seen most commonly.

I am curious whether there is a difference in how the virus impacts a flock, depending on the specific methods used in caring for that flock.

Is this impacting small numbers of chickens people keep for their own egg production, at the same rate? I assume we'd have to have a way of tracking when a flock was infected to know that...

 

[EnigmaO01]

I am curious whether there is a difference in how the virus impacts a flock, depending on the specific methods used in caring for that flock.

Is this impacting small numbers of chickens people keep for their own egg production, at the same rate? I assume we'd have to have a way of tracking when a flock was infected to know that...

From my limited experience with other animals, raising animals at high densities can cause a pathogen to spread like wildfire due to their close proximity. And of course there may be a factor of stress when you tightly pack animals together. Raising animals for me raising them at higher densities than in the wild was all about preventing or managing stress. There always were potential pathogens that only attacked an animal when they were stressed.

And take someone that is sick with a respiratory virus and place him or her in tight quarters with others and we all know what happens.

Sounds like H5N1 can impact small or large groups as long as they make contact with wild birds or contaminated feces. Wild birds are dying from it too, and at least when they are not migrating or in some cases breeding are not in highly dense groups?

 

[Noodlegawd]

I had this question in mind so I contacted a state vet that I used to work with when I was involved in aquaculture. I thought the response was interesting and thought I would pass it on.

Current science supports the hypothesis that the virus is being introduced to the commercial poultry which are raised indoors by a couple of potential methods. It is most likely directly from the wild birds flying overhead defecating and the virus gets pulled into the ventilation system of these big houses. The commercial farms tend to get infected along the routes of the flyways that the wild waterfowl use. The other scenario that may be occurring is that the virus gets tracked into the poultry houses by people/equipment. If the wild birds are contaminating the ground and boots are not put on at a dirty/clean line in the building, hands washed, and just general good biosecurity with equipment, feed, etc., the virus can enter that way. I believe the second route is becoming less common with commercial birds because the poultry industry has really ramped up their biosecurity protocols.



Most commonly, when we see infected backyard/hobby flocks, they tend to be mixed flocks with chickens and/or turkeys, etc. WITH waterfowl that may comingle with wild waterfowl or share water sources with them, such as ponds. That is not always the case, but it is what we’ve seen most commonly.

I don't think it's even that complicated. Before they are raised indoors, they have to be born and transported to that indoor location. A lot can happen on the way.

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

I have just 8 birds at the moment, all hens. At certain times of the year I may have 50+ birds on the property, including hens, chicks in the brooder/brooder pens and capons.

Infection by interaction with wild birds is unlikely in my situation. I have 100+ acres up in the mountains. There are some small ponds on the property as well as a number of small brooks, but none are nearby or accessible to the chickens, who get their water exclusively from my watering setup, which is designed in such a way as not to be attractive to wild birds or accessible to them. While they do have full access to outdoor pasturing most of the year, very little interaction occurs with wild birds.

The primary hazard I would face is introduction of pathogens by myself or visitors. I limit access to that area to my wife, myself and my children and we take the necessary bio-security hazard precautions. Gloves and over boots, properly sanitized on entrance and exit. Numerous other bio-security measures are in place.

Birds have wings in case you did not know.

 

[Safiel]

Birds have wings in case you did not know.

As I well know and am 100% prepared for.

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

As I well know and am 100% prepared for.

I was speaking of your comment that your flock is not near ponds. Neither are commercial barns.

You are not going to be able to stop it. The only thing you will be able to do is cull.

 

[Safiel]

I was speaking of your comment that your flock is not near ponds. Neither are commercial barns.

You are not going to be able to stop it. The only thing you will be able to do is cull.

Still, infection from a wild bird is EXTREMELY unlikely at my location. And if happens and I have to cull so be it.

 

[Revelation]

Still, infection from a wild bird is EXTREMELY unlikely at my location. And if happens and I have to cull so be it.

not to worry. seems to many here are reading the Fake newz about Bird Flu.

just keep the White Coats off your farm and you will not have Bird flu or whatever Plandemic they dream up....

Another scam exposed: American Chicken Farmer says birds are NOT dying from “bird flu” like we’re being told Just like with Covid, they’re counting all deaths as bird flu, “Every time a bird dies, they say bird flu. I’m telling you, they’re bullsh*tting you.”​

“I’m a chicken farmer and they are bullsh*tting you about the reasons why your eggs are so expensive.” “They say the same sh*t every year. I know it ’cause I’m a chicken farmer. I see the same alerts — When you look at these large facilities, a lot of these birds aren’t dying of bird flu. They are dying of neglect.” “They don’t give the vegan vitamins, oregano, all the supplements they are supposed to be getting — In these mega facilities and these birds are dying of disease and neglect and every time and every time a bird dies, they say bird flu. I’m telling you, they’re bullsh*tting you.” This would be why in the Mexico video I shared Mexico was not being impacted by the bird flu… it’s just another lie

Another scam exposed: American Chicken Farmer says birds are NOT dying from “bird flu” like we’re being told Just like with Covid, they’re counting all deaths as bird flu, “Every time a bird dies, they say bird flu. I’m telling you, they’re bullshit

choiceclips.whatfinger.com

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[Mr Person]

not to worry. seems to many here are reading the Fake newz about Bird Flu.

just keep the White Coats off your farm and you will not have Bird flu or whatever Plandemic they dream up....

Another scam exposed: American Chicken Farmer says birds are NOT dying from “bird flu” like we’re being told Just like with Covid, they’re counting all deaths as bird flu, “Every time a bird dies, they say bird flu. I’m telling you, they’re bullsh*tting you.”​

“I’m a chicken farmer and they are bullsh*tting you about the reasons why your eggs are so expensive.” “They say the same sh*t every year. I know it ’cause I’m a chicken farmer. I see the same alerts — When you look at these large facilities, a lot of these birds aren’t dying of bird flu. They are dying of neglect.” “They don’t give the vegan vitamins, oregano, all the supplements they are supposed to be getting — In these mega facilities and these birds are dying of disease and neglect and every time and every time a bird dies, they say bird flu. I’m telling you, they’re bullsh*tting you.” This would be why in the Mexico video I shared Mexico was not being impacted by the bird flu… it’s just another lie

Another scam exposed: American Chicken Farmer says birds are NOT dying from “bird flu” like we’re being told Just like with Covid, they’re counting all deaths as bird flu, “Every time a bird dies, they say bird flu. I’m telling you, they’re bullshit

choiceclips.whatfinger.com

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Dear lord, the guy actually believes *everything* he finds on the internet.

 

[Revelation]

Dear lord, the guy actually believes *everything* he finds on the internet.

Actually those on the Left seem to believe every Scam brought to them by the Oligarchs and those in wuhan.

they tend not to be able to think their way out of a paper bag even when it is mostly shredded....

for instance, the bird flu scam. how do you like your egg price scam....

Pandemic threat overblown by both experts and media​

Margot Andresen1

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The current threat of pandemic posed by the H5N1 avian flu is a “fraud,” Ontario's former chief medical officer of health (1987–97) told 186 public health and media professionals at a Toronto conference on June 27. “I am more frightened by the traffic I had to fight to get here than I am by the threat of bird flu,” said Dr. Richard Schabas.


“The real lesson of SARS is that it disappeared like the morning dew, not because of draconian measures like quarantine,” said Schabas, now Medical Officer of Health for the Hastings and Prince Edward Counties Health Unit. SARS “is a zoonotic disease, which is not very infective between humans, and is easy to control. We are making the same mistakes with avian flu. Above all, we need to not panic, nor to jump to conclusions. There has been no change in the behaviour of the H5N1 virus in the last 10 years.” https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1534081/




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