IDF who took part in torture admit it

[Craig234]

It's ok, the genocide supporters will presumably call the IDF soldiers anti-Semitic liars. No, that's snarky. They'll just say they approve of the torture or run away.

'Insane Torture': Israeli Soldiers Confirm Horrific Abuse of Palestinians at Sde Teiman | Common Dreams

"Teeth were broken, bones were broken," said one soldier. "You notice how easy it is to lose your humanity," said another.

www.commondreams.org

 

[spud_meister]

You don't understand, children and grandparents are Hamas. Israeli's are morally virtuous ubermensch, Palestinians are murderous and treacherous untermensch, and that's why it's perfectly justifiable to torture them in order to create lebensraum for Israelis.

 

[Apocalypse]

You don't understand, children and grandparents are Hamas. Israeli's are morally virtuous ubermensch, Palestinians are murderous and treacherous untermensch, and that's why it's perfectly justifiable to torture them in order to create lebensraum for Israelis.

The Nazis of today are the ones who attack the Jewish state and attempt to continue the work of the Nazis by exterminating the Jewish people.
They aren't the civilized democratic state of Israel that has laws against torturing even Hamas prisoners who took part in October 7, so let alone "children and grandparents".

OP by the way is the same old repeated Hamas propaganda nonsense from "commondreams", a favorite amongst terror supporters.

 

[oneworld2]

OP by the way is the same old repeated Hamas propaganda nonsense from "commondreams", a favorite amongst terror supporters.

The sourced information is......

A Not from Hamas

B Not from commondreams either

It's from an article that came out in Haaretz , which is an Israeli news outlet, correct?.

So it's from an Israeli source that is citing Israeli army members who have taken part in/witnessed the torturing of Palestinian prisoners.

So you lied twice in the one sentence.

That's about right for your posts though, so well done for consistency

And just for good measure I'm gonna play the antisemite card against you

What you are really saying is the Jewish news outlet is lying and the Jews being interviewed by them are liars, playing the old antisemitic trope that Jews are dishonest.

 

[Apocalypse]

It's from an article that came out in Haaretz , which is an Israeli news outlet, correct?

It's from commondreams which quotes Haaretz and usually misquotes and manipulates information.
Regardless Haaretz is also not a legitimate source, it's extremely radical far-left. The fact that it is Israeli is meaningless, Israel is a democracy with free press including extremist and radical press outlets like Haaretz. Unlike the theocratic and dictatorial regimes you usually support. Anti-Israelis routinely quote Haaretz as some sort of paper that whatever it claims is immediately true, saying that because it's Israeli it has this kind of credibility. It isn't the case though. It's merely aligned with their views.

So it's from an Israeli source that is citing Israeli army members who have taken part in/witnessed the torturing of Palestinian prisoners.

This citation is not credible.
If there was anything, it'd have been handed to the military prosecution and an investigation will be initiated as was the case with the Hamas commander that had a baton pushed up his anus according to the allegations.

What you are really saying is the Jewish news outlet is lying and the Jews being interviewed by them are liars, playing the old antisemitic trope that Jews are dishonest.

Jews are as honest as every other human being.

 

[Craig234]

The sourced information is......

The thing is, when has Hamas lied since October 7? Common Dreams is a great source for information. The right is lying about them just dismissing the truth wrongly if they attack the source. You're right to point out they aren't the sources, but if they were, that's not a bad thing. Be skeptical of Hamas, but they havan't been lying, unlike their opponent.

 

[oneworld2]

It's from commondreams which quotes Haaretz and usually misquotes and manipulates information.

That's what I said, that the source material is NOT from commondreams AND it's NOT from Hamas.

So how is that " Hamas propaganda" ?

But not only did commondreams quote Haaretz, it linked to the article so people could read what it said.

What material was " misquoted" and or " manipulated " ? Why would they give the link if the intention is to misquote it?

You see, none of what you are spouting here is making much sense, I know I know, just another day of postings from you but nonetheless your postings are erratic and based on projecting your own negative traits onto others

 

[Apocalypse]

That's what I said, that the source material is NOT from commondreams AND it's NOT from Hamas.

"Hamas propagnada" not "Hamas source".

But not only did commondreams quote Haaretz, it linked to the article so people could read what it said.

It usually misquotes and manipulates information. It's a propaganda source, their website is just another hatesite on the dark corners of the internet.
I'm sorry that you can't use mainstream sources since you decided that it's too much reality-based for you.

 

[oneworld2]

Regardless Haaretz is also not a legitimate source, it's extremely radical far-left. The fact that it is Israeli is meaningless, Israel is a democracy with free press including extremist and radical press outlets like Haaretz. Unlike the theocratic and dictatorial regimes you usually support. Anti-Israelis routinely quote Haaretz as some sort of paper that whatever it claims is immediately true, saying that because it's Israeli it has this kind of credibility. It isn't the case though. It's merely aligned with their views.

Again your logic is skewed and your posts hysterical rejectionist nonsense.

So now Haaretz is "not a legitimate source"?

Why don't you be honest for a change and admit that you have issues with sources solely based on what they report.

It's obvious that you don't like Haaretz because they report the truth on things you prefer others lie about in service to the state propaganda effort. Just like you do everyday here.

You use the likes of Haaretz to signal a free press in Israel ( not mentioning the articles/subjects censored by the Israeli military and censorship is widespread) and then you denounce/resent their existence by claiming they are not a legitimate source lol

You never even mentioned Israeli military censorship of the Israeli media and how Haaretz itself became locked in the crosshairs of the Israeli censors over its brave coverage of the 7th October event.

This citation is not credible.

Nope, it's your hysterics and false claims/accusation here that are " not credible". As I said, you project your own ugly positions of deceit onto others and have no problem citing other sources that have been outed for peddling shite in the service to the state propaganda machine.

It's you that has no credibility imo

If there was anything, it'd have been handed to the military prosecution and an investigation will be initiated as was the case with the Hamas commander that had a baton pushed up his anus according to the allegations.

Not really, there is evidently a massive issue with the torturing of Palestinians in Israeli detention and that goes way back , long before 7th October and is well documented.

They would have to arrest many many people and expose a mass system of torture, they just aren't going to do that and prefer the odd one to pretend there is adequate accountability and the laws are being upheld.

Jews are as honest as every other human being.

I agree there are truthful people and liars in all groups of people but it appears obvious that you aren't one of the truthful ones.

 

[Apocalypse]

Why don't you be honest for a change and admit that you have issues with sources solely based on what they report.

Wrong, I reject far-left and far-right sources alike.

It's obvious that you don't like Haaretz because they report the truth on things you prefer others lie about in service to the state propaganda effort. Just like you do everyday here.

Every mainstream news source reports mostly the truth. What's your issue with them? Too reality-based?

 

[oneworld2]

"Hamas propagnada" not "Hamas source".

Oh please, at least have SOME respect for the intelligence of the group here.

" Hamas propaganda " will come from Hamas itself, just like the propaganda from the Israeli army will come from the Israeli army and so on.

What you are claiming is that a report in an Israeli news outlet, quoting from Israeli army and medical sources on the mass torture of Palestinians is " Hamas propaganda" ?

It usually misquotes and manipulates information. It's a propaganda source, their website is just another hatesite on the dark corners of the internet.

Where is the "misquote," where is the " manipulation"? The article is linked and available to all who wish to read it, is it not?

I'm sorry that you can't use mainstream sources since you decided that it's too much reality-based for you.

It's not my usage, that's just yet ANOTHER lie you have come up with lol

The MSM are the ones that are the true servants of elite opinion in most cases, why would you just use those?

Just admit that you don't like the coverage and you don't like the exposing of state criminality, the truth about the treatment of the Palestinians by the Israeli army/security/state and that's why you oppose them.

You are the spin master and they undermine your position , so obviously you will try to denounce them at every opportunity.

What about the massive use of military censorship in the Israeli media?

How come you cannot even acknowledge that much?

 

[NolanVoyd]

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They aren't the civilized democratic state of Israel

What they are doing in Gaza isn't very civilized.

 

[Craig234]

What they are doing in Gaza isn't very civilized.

Another demand for understatement of the day award.

 

[spud_meister]

The Nazis of today are the ones who attack the Jewish state and attempt to continue the work of the Nazis by exterminating the Jewish people.

Israel isn't the Jewish people, to conflate the state of Israel with all Jews is anti-semitic.

They aren't the civilized democratic state of Israel that has laws against torturing even Hamas prisoners who took part in October 7, so let alone "children and grandparents".

Meaningless laws:

https://www.btselem.org/publications/202408_welcome_to_hell

55 Palestinians held during that time and released, almost all with no charges. Their testimonies reveal the outcomes of the rushed transformation of more than a dozen Israeli prison facilities, military and civilian, into a network of camps dedicated to the abuse of inmates as a matter of policy. Facilities in which every inmate is deliberately subjected to harsh, relentless pain and suffering operate as de-facto torture camps.

The Israeli government kidnaps and tortures innocent civilians as a matter of course, as an expression of perceived racial and national superiority.

 

[Apocalypse]

Israel isn't the Jewish people, to conflate the state of Israel with all Jews is anti-semitic.

True, but so is to compare the Jewish state to the action of Nazis so to both minimize the Holocaust and to compare the Nazis to their victims, and only one of those two was done here.

Meaningless laws:

https://www.btselem.org/publications/202408_welcome_to_hell

The Israeli government kidnaps and tortures innocent civilians as a matter of course, as an expression of perceived racial and national superiority.

They are detained not "kidnapped" and they're certainly not tortured as part of some policy, it's against the law, which is not "meaningless".
The last part of your comment is your own injection.

 

[Apocalypse]

Oh please, at least have SOME respect for the intelligence of the group here.

What "group"?

" Hamas propaganda " will come from Hamas itself, just like the propaganda from the Israeli army will come from the Israeli army and so on.

Hamas propaganda is everything that comes out of Hamas and is later echoed by its useful idiots.

What you are claiming is that a report in an Israeli news outlet, quoting from Israeli army and medical sources on the mass torture of Palestinians is " Hamas propaganda" ?

I am saying clearly that the OP is not a legitimate source and that Haaretz is far-left garbage. Writing articles using anonymous claims that have no basis and might as well be completely fabricated is not beneath them. There are enough mainstream sources that have actual credibility to choose from.

 

[Apocalypse]

What they are doing in Gaza isn't very civilized.

I strongly disagree, refusing to target civilians is a very civilized thing to do when fighting barbaric terrorists.
Israel does more to avoid civilian casualties than any other military out there does or would have done.

 

[oneworld2]

What "group"?

I said the group " here", what do you think that means?

The forum membership who you foolishly believe will swallow the verbal diarrhea you are spewing out.

Hamas propaganda is everything that comes out of Hamas and is later echoed by its useful idiots.

Israeli torture of Palestinian hostages has been the way of the world there since forever, even predating the emergence of Hamas itself

I know you wish to peddle hasbara bs here at a professional level but anyone who knows anything about this conflict knows that the torture of Palestinians in Israeli jails is as long as the illegal occupation itself and likely older than that to include the situation in 1948

You will just have to accept the reality that this is a Jewish Israeli paper, interviewing Jewish Israeli people that have either taken part, witnessed or treated, as per the medical staff spoken to, all discussing the mass illegal torture of Palestinian hostages/POWs

I am saying clearly that the OP is not a legitimate source and that Haaretz is far-left garbage. Writing articles using anonymous claims that have no basis and might as well be completely fabricated is not beneath them. There are enough mainstream sources that have actual credibility to choose from.

Nope, people understand that what you are saying is that any who are critical of/truthful about Israeli crimes against the Palestinians are being cast by you as " illegitimate /garbage sources".

Quoting anonymous sources is found in ALL msm outlets too, only some of them don't even provide a link to whatever/whoever it is they are quoting/citing, so the ongoing attempts by you to support your hysterical/illogical rants here are failing and failing miserably at that.

How many times are you going to avoid my mentioning of the Israeli military censorship of the media?

It's like the biggest elephant in the room so far that demolishes your claims about the state of Israeli media reporting

 

[oneworld2]

I strongly disagree, refusing to target civilians is a very civilized thing to do when fighting barbaric terrorists.
Israel does more to avoid civilian casualties than any other military out there does or would have done.

The numbers and some of the examples clearly show that civilians in Gaza ( and the West Bank) are being targeted and/or indiscriminately murdered.

Why the compulsion to lie about everything ?

 

[Bonnot]

It's ok, the genocide supporters will presumably call the IDF soldiers anti-Semitic liars. No, that's snarky. They'll just say they approve of the torture or run away.

'Insane Torture': Israeli Soldiers Confirm Horrific Abuse of Palestinians at Sde Teiman | Common Dreams

"Teeth were broken, bones were broken," said one soldier. "You notice how easy it is to lose your humanity," said another.

www.commondreams.org

A great example of why ethno-states are a terrible idea and what they lead to.

 

[spud_meister]

True, but so is to compare the Jewish state to the action of Nazis so to both minimize the Holocaust and to compare the Nazis to their victims, and only one of those two was done here.

Nothing I said minimised the Holocaust, and comparing one ethnostate to another is perfectly valid.

They are detained not "kidnapped" and they're certainly not tortured as part of some policy, it's against the law, which is not "meaningless".

Then neither are those detained by Hamas. If it's not policy, why do government forces regularly engage in torture? Why were internment facilities set up to facilitate torture? And why aren't IDF soldiers prosecuted for torture?

The last part of your comment is your own injection.

My own analysis.

 

[Apocalypse]

Nothing I said minimised the Holocaust

Clearly minimization to compare it to a civilized nation fighting terrorists be it the US in Afghanistan or Israel in Gaza.

, and comparing one ethnostate to another is perfectly valid.

Israel is not an ethnostate. Ignorance is clearly a key part of the agenda here.

Then neither are those detained by Hamas. If it's not policy, why do government forces regularly engage in torture? Why were internment facilities set up to facilitate torture? And why aren't IDF soldiers prosecuted for torture?

Facilities were set up to withhold Hamas Nukhba members who raped young women on top of their beheaded friends in a music festival and set them up on fire laughing and celebrating.
I think it's a very valid and good natured act to place them in a facility that will hold them while they await trial. Prisons are full at the moment.
Torture is against IDF rules and certainly against Israel's, even if the victim is a Nazi terrorist who needs to be executed after a fair trial.

 

[Apocalypse]

The numbers and some of the examples clearly show that civilians in Gaza ( and the West Bank) are being targeted and/or indiscriminately murdered.

Why the compulsion to lie about everything ?

Numbers alone don't show nothing and after 10 months of intense battles they in fact suggest the opposite as Israel targeting actual civilians would have led to more than a million deaths surely in crowded Gaza. It's idiotic and it's mostly stated because the people who support the Hamas terrorists have nothing to stick with to justify their pure evil. Israel does not in any way target anyone but the terrorists that must be eradicated.

 

[brianpatrick]

Name one military in any war or conflict that didn’t practice torture.

 

[NolanVoyd]

I strongly disagree, refusing to target civilians is a very

But they are in fact targeting civilials. Brutally.

Israel does more to avoid civilian casualties than any other military out there does or would have done.

False.

Israel has slaughtered far more civilians than any other military out there.

Facts matter.