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Idaho: homeowner shot in his backyard

soylentgreen said:
No, that is not what I would want from a police force. Yours is an admittance that there are no checks and balances in this relationship. That they will do as they please/. That is not a police force that is just a well organised gang.
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I didnt say any of that. But the time for 'justice' and 'safety' comes after the interaction, by reporting the interaction.

I'm not commenting subjectively here, just pointing out facts.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Tell that to the families of those killed for no good reason, and see what they say.
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I'm sure that they would say is sucks. But you are less likely to killed by a cop if you are unarmed than you are to get hit by lightening.
 
Lursa said:
I didnt say any of that. But the time for 'justice' and 'safety' comes after the interaction, by reporting the interaction.

I'm not commenting subjectively here, just pointing out facts.
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It is implied in what you said. It is also an admittance that you along with others here and see police as nothing more than a group that deal with criminals. Or that if dealing with a cop then behave as if you were a criminal in their eyes. That is a bad way to run a police system.
 
soylentgreen said:
Depends on what you want. Personally I would prefer a long walk through some spectacular scenery like the grand canyon than the crowds of another city.
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Yeah, that's not far from me (by American Southwest standards). Protip: Do NOT stand on the edge for pictures. Even if you have great balance, there's a lot of undercuts, and we loose a few people every year that way.

Definitely worth seeing, though. Don't waste time, the assholes are making another run at installing LED billboards around it.
 
soylentgreen said:
It is implied in what you said. It is also an admittance that you along with others here and see police as nothing more than a group that deal with criminals. Or that if dealing with a cop then behave as if you were a criminal in their eyes. That is a bad way to run a police system.
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It is not how our police system is run and people are giving you some ****ed up advice.
 
soylentgreen said:
It is implied in what you said. It is also an admittance that you along with others here and see police as nothing more than a group that deal with criminals. Or that if dealing with a cop then behave as if you were a criminal in their eyes. That is a bad way to run a police system.
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A brief study of the history of our police force will clear all of this up. Start in 1829 New York, and proceed through 1950s Midwest and West. It's a festival.
 
soylentgreen said:
It is implied in what you said. It is also an admittance that you along with others here and see police as nothing more than a group that deal with criminals. Or that if dealing with a cop then behave as if you were a criminal in their eyes. That is a bad way to run a police system.
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Most of that sounds true. That is our main expectation of cops. And yes, you do need to expect to be assumed a criminal in their eyes...their lives depend on it.

I'm very onboard the movement to 'fix' our police depts.
 
Rawley said:
It is not how our police system is run and people are giving you some ****ed up advice.
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Our police system is run the way it has always been run.

The operational question is "How do I clear my desk?" Everything flows from that.
 
Rawley said:
It is not how our police system is run and people are giving you some ****ed up advice.
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soylentgreen said:
It is implied in what you said. It is also an admittance that you along with others here and see police as nothing more than a group that deal with criminals. Or that if dealing with a cop then behave as if you were a criminal in their eyes. That is a bad way to run a police system.
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LOL I hope he doesnt mean the actual cop and the person trained by SLPD and NYPD and who shoots and competes regularly with cops (yeah, me).

But his record of accuracy is poor anyway.
 
Lord of Planar said:
The police have made a bad name for themselves in too many places. I have no respect for the Portland police. They are nothing but a bunch of power hungry authoritarians. They kick back in their cars, seldom pull over reckless drivers, flash their lights to get through intersections when they don;t need to.

They constantly abuse their authority.

A few years back, I had problems with an individeul. The many times I called the police, had video tape from my surveillance system, they do nothing. Absolutely nothing with clear evidence!

Respect is earned. Not because someone has the uniform.
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Just looking through this thread and I can see the problem is that both sides seem to think it is a them versus us kind of deal.

In nz the police go to a lot of trouble to introduce the idea of community policing. Just a couple of cops walking around the streets and talking to people even those who they know will usually be up to no good at some time.

And they do not carry guns. You americans would probably be surprised what a difference such a thing can make.
 
Luce said:
I don't mean this to be offensive, but your view of cultural norms is nothing short of bizarre from our point of view.
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Right! america the land of the free. Meaning the cops are free to oppress whoever they want. Brilliant.
 
soylentgreen said:
Just looking through this thread and I can see the problem is that both sides seem to think it is a them versus us kind of deal.
In nz the police go to a lot of trouble to introduce the idea of community policing. Just a couple of cops walking around the streets and talking to people even those who they know will usually be up to no good at some time.
And they do not carry guns. You americans would probably be surprised what a difference such a thing can make.
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I think living on an island(s) with a mostly homogeneous population of less than that of Alabama makes a bigger difference.
 
soylentgreen said:
Just looking through this thread and I can see the problem is that both sides seem to think it is a them versus us kind of deal.

In nz the police go to a lot of trouble to introduce the idea of community policing. Just a couple of cops walking around the streets and talking to people even those who they know will usually be up to no good at some time.

And they do not carry guns. You americans would probably be surprised what a difference such a thing can make.
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Sadly, the beat cop model doesn't work here anymore. It has to do with how our cities are laid out.
 
Rawley said:
I think living on an island(s) with a mostly homogeneous population of less than that of Alabama makes a bigger difference.
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Mostly homogenous? New Zealand? Are you joking?
 
Luce said:
Yeah, that's not far from me (by American Southwest standards). Protip: Do NOT stand on the edge for pictures. Even if you have great balance, there's a lot of undercuts, and we loose a few people every year that way.

Definitely worth seeing, though. Don't waste time, the assholes are making another run at installing LED billboards around it.
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Capitalism at its best. I come from the country that invented bunji jumping for fun instead of religion. Standing on the edge is called an extreme sport here.
 
soylentgreen said:
Capitalism at its best. I come from the country that invented bunji jumping for fun instead of religion. Standing on the edge is called an extreme sport here.
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At the Grand Canyon, it's called "send for the meat wagon."
 
Rawley said:
I think living on an island(s) with a mostly homogeneous population of less than that of Alabama makes a bigger difference.
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It certainly does. But that does not mean america should not look at resolving a problem just because of their size.
 
Luce said:
Sadly, the beat cop model doesn't work here anymore. It has to do with how our cities are laid out.
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I do not see why. It takes some more effort and the police would need to be funded for it. but the results from such an exercise is well worth the cost. To see police as a person who is there to help rather than someone who is there to accuse can only be a good thing.
 
Rawley said:
70% white European.
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Yeah? Here it's, what, 60%?

Are we mostly homogenous? What is the threshold value you have in mind?
 
soylentgreen said:
It certainly does. But that does not mean america should not look at resolving a problem just because of their size.
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What's "the problem?"
 
soylentgreen said:
I do not see why. It takes some more effort and the police would need to be funded for it. but the results from such an exercise is well worth the cost. To see police as a person who is there to help rather than someone who is there to accuse can only be a good thing.
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On the East coast, you could do it. Out West, things are a lot more spread out, and summertime temperatures regularly reach 48 centigrade. Look at a street map of LA or Phoenix, and you'll see what I mean.
 
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