My comment was about the effect of not notifying ICE, in that it hinders them “in a way.” That’s it. But not reporting is far different than say, what some are attempting in Los Angeles and elsewhere, like physical obstruction of ICE. And again, balance ICE’s mission to deport those here illegally against the city’s or state’s interest (greater and more defensible in my view) in seeing crimes reported and perps prosecuted.Hmm. Interesting you post this.
You also posted this:
Isn't it a really, really fine line between impeding and hindering?
To me it seems that the two are synonyms of each other.
Since we were robbed of justice i think we shouldnt care about robbing trumpies of justice.It's the opinion of quite a few people, including conservatives. The fact that you don't comprehend the severity of events doesn't mean they weren't severe; it just means that you don't get it, or refuse to consider the possibility.
"Exactly nothing"? How about sedition? They were convicted/pled guilty. Also, they led the initial charge. And they brought weapons like bear spray to this spontaneous, peaceful protest. Bears must be all over D.C.
Normally, kangaroo courts don't have hundreds of hours of video evidence of crimes.
trumpies in congress made it political when they refused to participate unless Jim Jordan could muck up the investigation. But Jordan was neck deep in the mess, so he couldn't really be one of the investigators, could he? There were good Republicans on the Committee who were determined to do the right thing and investigate an attack on the Capitol. ANY decent congressman should have wanted to uncover what happened (trumpie congressmen ran and hid like the rest of them during the attack), but not trumpies - wonder why that was?
You are omitting the planning that led up to the attack. It was NOT just a peaceful protest that got out of hand. You don't bring bear spray to a peaceful protest.
It's a pointless exercise for you, because you know you would lose - badly.
Your politically motivated rejection of any and all viewpoints that don't match yours is noted.
Lawyers are generally pretty adept at recognizing all things lawless, because it's their job. What is your qualification for dismissing their expertise?
I would love to hear what kind of editing you think could possibly exonerate the rioters. Maybe you would show security footage of Jan. 5th as their defense lawyer?
A thoroughly reasonable post, well argued and thought out....My comment was about the effect of not notifying ICE, in that it hinders them “in a way.” That’s it. But not reporting is far different than say, what some are attempting in Los Angeles and elsewhere, like physical obstruction of ICE. And again, balance ICE’s mission to deport those here illegally against the city’s or state’s interest (greater and more defensible in my view) in seeing crimes reported and perps prosecuted.
This is similar in a way to what I have posited here on DP about asylum seekers, in that dealing with them in accord with law and treaty can be in tension with the right the country has to control entry.
There is some black and white in immigration issues, but plenty of shades of gray as well.
If I may be so bold, as the Nazarene said, “he who has ears to hear, let him hear.”A thoroughly reasonable post, well argued and thought out....
so completely ineffective.
If illegal had any meaning in the United States Taco would be in jail.
Cafeteria crime selection is the best. You don’t disappoint. Also the dems aren’t my party.
It’s just the lesser of two evils. Say no to rewriting our constitution with project 2025.
Hear, hear. Sadly, an inapt description. I did, however, legitimately appreciate the effort. But, you know, pearls and swine and all.If I may be so bold, as the Nazarene said, “he who has ears to hear, let him hear.”
Now change riots to acts of terroristic violence and mass shootings and see where the numbers go.
There is a difference between impeding an investigation and not calling ICE.
Stephen Miller can't make America white. LA is paying for his impotent rage.
Mass deportations were never going to work, so Trump and Miller resort to authoritarian theaterwww.salon.com
The Jan 6th Commission was a show trial controlled by the Democrats. Nancy Pelosi handpicked two RINOs to be on it (both of who where subsequently rejected by their constituents). It was a 100% kangaroo court that hid evidence that went against the Democrat party narrativeThe Jan. 6th Commission wasn't a trial, it was an investigation and a presentation of what they found.
They were trying to overthrow a fair election on Jan 6th. Nothing like that is happening in LA. How do you draw a circle around the square?
No, I'm not talking about the actions being taken, I'm talking about the collision course which was set with the first declaration of Sanctuary.
It set the locale declaring such on an inevitable collision course with those who want to have existing immigration laws enforced, clearly.
Now that collision course has reached its head, and we get to see how it all unfolds from here.
That unfolding is the president ordering in the NG. It is the local government
It is the public funded NGOs promoting, supporting, endorsing the protests, and being relatively quiet about the rioting.
It is the MSM claiming the same old 'Mostly Peaceful riots' - this time, rather than a burning building in the background, Minneapolis, it's a burning car.
Whether you want to realize it, or not, that collision course was set with first declaration of Sanctuary, and it was only a matter of time before it came to this head.
Some calling another "authoritarian" is their subjective opinion.It's not rooted in "my guy good, your guy bad." It's rooted in "your guy is acting like an authoritarian, and here are the reasons why."
Except NY State courts, apparently.The same goes for his indictments. Those things all had to go through the normal process - grand jury, etc. - to get to the point they got to. There is evidence of crimes committed by trump, period. Purely political grievances don't get far in the courts.
A subjective look at what previous presidents have done and comparing them to a subjective look at what this president has done."Firmly in control" is on the authoritarian spectrum. That's why we look at things he has done and compare them to previous presidents to make a determination.
These supposed 'checks' you are listed are all based on what? The Dem's compliant and complicit MSM propagandist reporting and their smear campaigns?It's also legitimate to compare trump's actions and words to other authoritarians when making a determination. Vilifying minority groups? Check. Using the military for domestic problems? Check. Attacking the judiciary? Check. Defying the judiciary? Incomplete, but headed in the "check" direction. Fomenting hatred in general? Double check.
Not at all a reasonable analogy. Do protestors follow orders as soldiers are expected to?So what? Generals make up a tiny percentage of the military.
Having your weapons in the trunk of your car is legal, and is not the same as pulling them out and using them.And preparing weapons doesn't bother you? Do you think that was a random act? Don't you think that, had things gone slightly differently, they might have retrieved those weapons and used them?
I have made no excuses for that behavior. Those that trespassed, vandalized, should be charged with trespassing and vandalism, and they were.Your take on this goes beyond naivete. You are making excuses for criminal behavior, because it's your team storming the Capitol.
Not so much SCOTUS, but the lower federal courts a constant thwarting of what the electorate voted for.The SC questioning the use of a particular statute is their job. It didn't happen often under Biden; it's happening constantly under trump.
It was an over reaction to a one and done riot. Recall that there were a number of attacks on the Capitol over history, most often from leftist groups. Google is your friend, you can look them up.I hardly think that erecting a fence around the Capitol after it was violently stormed is "going off the deep end."
Playing dumb. Nice!Who is "Taco?" Is he part of the insurrection?
Sounds kind of racist. But then democrats are racist to the bone.
Can’t say I know any to ask.ROFl
Yeah, there are no democrats, especially among the more virulent sycophants - just ask them..
Why is the playbook coming true then? Seems silly to call someone a liar over something you can plainly look into with your own eyes.Oh, lying about Project 2025 - does that get you brownie points from your collapsing party?
It was a Democrats carefully staged political spectacle specifically for political purposes and nothing more.The Jan. 6th Commission wasn't a trial, it was an investigation and a presentation of what they found.
It most certainly shouldn't be controversial.
But many, maybe even most, on the left have now decided to go fully in on prioritizing those in our country illegally over U.S. citizens and fully in on deliberate (and even violent and destructive) opposition to the enforcement of federal immigration law.
At this point, many of us are left with the option of watching this play out - and the outcome will be a most important one.
I'm simply astounded, following our most recent presidential election and what we learned from the result of that election, that the left has chosen this particular battle as one to go all in on. To my thinking, it seems like an insane choice - maybe stemming from a place of disorganized and confused desperation.
Complete and utter bullshit. I can point to numerous incidents of Democrat lawmakers encouraging violence. Do remember Maxine Waters encouraging folks to “get in people’s faces” and “get more confrontational”.The right totally distorts how the left views the issue. They are saying what they think the left think without asking the left.
The left, especially in large cities, refuse to allocate municipal funds to do federal work. City officials, especially the police, feel it's extremely important the immigrant community feel comfortable approaching the police about crimes they witness etc. The right labels that as a sanctuary city protecting illegals and thwarting ICE. It's not the police will not help ICE but neither will they hinder them.
The left always decries violence in times of unrest. They never condone it and welcome arrests.
More bullshit. How about the Freddy Gray riots in Baltimore. Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake (Democrat) said "we also gave those who wished to destroy space to do that as well."They also recognize and protect free speech even if they don't agree. The left can differentiate between a protester and rioter. The right chooses to characterize that as supporting the rioters. Although they are quick differentiate the peaceful protesters Jan 6th from the rioters and white supremacists from conservatives.
They are criminals. They have violated immigration LAW.The left does have empathy for those millions and millions in the country illegally. They recognize their contribution and hate to see them treated as criminals and frightened for their families. The right see that as being supportive of an open border.
Criminal like those that violate immigration law, correct?The left absolutely supports the deportation and removal of anyone who has acted in a criminal way but also feel that Constitutional protections must be provided if America is to remain a country who believes in the rule of law.
Some on the left are extreme in their views on immigration and some on the right are hateful bigots ......but the majority are neither
Seems more like common sense to me. Trump asked everyone to be there and to go to the capital. If they would have got their hands on someone like pelosi they would have killed them. They wanted to hang Mike pence to keep him from certifying the election. They put forward fake electors to put up for when this happened. Luckily it failed and Pence stepped up against all odds. What did you see?Nobody was charged with "Insurrection" on Jan 6 because the facts did not support it.
The claim of an 'insurrection' that day was simply a political narrative.
People were charged with "seditious conspiracy" on Jan 6 specifically conspiring to use force to "oppose any law" of the USA.
There should not be a great deal of difficulty in finding people who have worked together to use force to oppose the USA immigration law in these recent riots.
This is nothing more than politically self serving supposition.A lot was already known before the committee was even formed. One of those things was that Jordan was in communication with the White House and had memory problems concerning those communications. They had good reason to believe that Jordan would have obstructed the investigation from within.
There were plenty of other Republican congressmen McCarthy could have put on the committee that were not under suspicion. Why insist on Jordan?
Dug some Trump hating GOPers wasn't hard to do. Of course that they were Trump hating GOPers was the primary requirement, and Pelosi's picks were exactly that.The fact is that there were Republicans on the committee, and they investigated the events as they were obliged to do.
And in doing so, they acted against their own political interests.
As you just got done pointing out, the House Select Committee wasn't a court.In court, testimony against your own interests is a good indicator of truthful testimony.
Did the 'whole FBI' comment on the case? Have fun proving that they did.First, you took the word of four FBI sources, not the whole FBI.
Stale or not, did the FBI's position change on that coordination? I don't think so.Second, that's a stale source from 2021, before the whole investigation had unfolded.
Very few in comparison to the large number of cases, suffice it to say that the left's constant use of the overly broad brush applied to all those at the political demonstration / protest, as well as all Trump supporters isn't reasonable nor supportable.People were tried for sedition, and convicted. Points for having a source, anyway.
Ironically, Miller’s ancestors had to flee anti-Jewish pogroms.Racist Salon being racist assholes again.
I thought those scum went belly up?
Seems more like common sense to me. Trump asked everyone to be there and to go to the capital. If they would have got their hands on someone like pelosi they would have killed them. They wanted to hang Mike pence to keep him from certifying the election. They put forward fake electors to put up for when this happened. Luckily it failed and Pence stepped up against all odds. What did you see?
Are we sure it's an act?Playing dumb. Nice!
Because calling someone a liar is easier than admitting the truth?Why is the playbook coming true then? Seems silly to call someone a liar over something you can plainly look into with your own eyes.
Well, this is about as politically one-sided a interpretation of those events as you could get, same as the entire 'House Select Committee' was.
I'll take the FBI's word over yours.
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I saw it on TV! I also sat for hours wondering when Trump was gonna do something about it. I sat. And sat. And sat. And watched more cops assaulted on TV. I’ve also watched hours of the current demonstrations on live streams. I did see a cop hit with a water bottle. Not to say violence didn’t happen but it’s very different than what I saw on Jan 6th.Shrug. Thats all political narrative.
What have you seen in LA? People thinking about throwing rocks, setting cars on fire?
Or actually doing it?
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