ICE is above the law

[Buster Keaton]

What do the facts you present about people not showing have to do with grabbing people who do show up?

If they are obeying our immigration laws they have nothing to fear.

 

[Peter]

If they are obeying our immigration laws they have nothing to fear.

That's the problem.
They are trying too obey the law and being snatched when doing so.

That's why so may are now skipping out.

 

[L88]

I think people are going to be surprised at how disruptive this is to the economy.

So far our economy is strong enough to keep the Fed from changing rates. So Far

 

[Peter]

So far our economy is strong enough to keep the Fed from changing rates. So Far

Farmers are getting super angry at having their staff deported and not being able to replace them.

 

[L88]

That's the problem.
They are trying too obey the law and being snatched when doing so.

That's why so may are now skipping out.

If you come in illegally, if they don't apply for asylum or if they don't show up for their hearing, or don't report when a removal order is issued, if they use forged US documents to obtain employment, how is obeying the law.

 

[L88]

Farmers are getting super angry at having their staff deported and not being able to replace them.

You mean the farms using illegal labor at slave wages? Yeah, I can see them being irritated.

 

[Peter]

If you come in illegally, if they don't apply for asylum or if they don't show up for their hearing, or don't report when a removal order is issued, if they use forged US documents to obtain employment, how is obeying the law.

The people in question are being snatched while trying to attend legal hearings about their case.
That's the entire point of due process.
It's like throwing someone in prison for turning up to a trial.

 

[Peter]

You mean the farms using illegal labor at slave wages? Yeah, I can see them being irritated.

Oh, so most US farms use illegal labour and pay slave wages now?
Remind me, who owns these farms exactly?

 

[L88]

The people in question are being snatched while trying to attend legal hearings about their case.
That's the entire point of due process.
It's like throwing someone in prison for turning up to a trial.

That I'm not finding clear documentation on. I know some are showing because they have removal orders because they didn't show up for hearings. So now their attempting to get a hearing.

 

[L88]

Oh, so most US farms use illegal labour and pay slave wages now?
Remind me, who owns these farms exactly?

Why would farmers, using legal H2 A workers be upset?

My parents own a couple farms that use H2A. I don't know anyone else.

 

[Peter]

That I'm not finding clear documentation on. I know some are showing because they have removal orders because they didn't show up for hearings. So now their attempting to get a hearing.

It's the entire reason why the recent lawmakers were arrested for asking questions about.

 

[Peter]

Why would farmers, using legal H2 A workers be upset?

My parents own a couple farms that use H2A. I don't know anyone else.

Because ICE are not just snatching illegals, they're snatching people without knowing or caring who the hell they are.

 

[L88]

It's the entire reason why the recent lawmakers were arrested for asking questions about.

That was ****ing embarrassing. Arresting our own Congress people.

 

[L88]

Because ICE are not just snatching illegals, they're snatching people without knowing or caring who the hell they are.

ICe can't snatch anyone without a removal order.

 

[Nickyjo]

If they are obeying our immigration laws they have nothing to fear.

Then why are they arrested for obeying our immigration laws, that is, showing up for court dates?

 

[L88]

Then why are they arrested for obeying our immigration laws, that is, showing up for court dates?

Are they?

 

[Nickyjo]

Are they?

Read the news. Or simply search under something like “migrants arrested when the appear at mandatory court hearings.”

 

[multivita-man]

So far our economy is strong enough to keep the Fed from changing rates. So Far

I get the impression DHS/ICE are just getting started, so it'll be a while before we know what the final damage assessment will be. Keep in mind, too, that economic data tells us what's in the rearview mirror.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

This is an easy thing to resolve.
Respect our borders.
Obey our immigration laws.
We a 100% right to control our borders and immigration.

FYI
that in no way resolves or even addresses the issue raised in the OP

 

[Peter]

I get the impression DHS/ICE are just getting started, so it'll be a while before we know what the final damage assessment will be. Keep in mind, too, that economic data tells us what's in the rearview mirror.

If they're scewing up this badly this early then the shit really is going to hit the fan extremely hard when they really ramp up activity.