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Ibram X. Kendi on "Not racist"

element94 said:
I also said "maybe". Interesting, though, that your concern is not that people were enslaved and the country never paid for destroying families and lives of other human beings for hundreds of years. You just want it all to go away. Interesting.
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So you were talking about reparations. Why did you try to deny it?
My original analogy was a good one and you avoided but never addressed it.
 
bubbabgone said:
So you were talking about reparations. Why did you try to deny it?
My original analogy was a good one and you avoided but never addressed it.
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First, I'm doing an experiment by fashioning some of my posts the way gaslighting radical republicans often do, for my own amusement
I'm not denying anything. Everything I posted afterward is explaining what I said in that post. I also wanted to point out how you zeroed in on reparations, and let's not forget that it would be for the heinous act of slavery and how it ruined lives and seperated families. You seem only interested in everyone just forgetting that it ever happened. That analogy is a good one.
 
CLAX1911 said:
See people have to make up this concept of privilege on the basis of race to pretend that there that racism has influenced in our society today.

White privileges in the same realm as flat Earth
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It is difficult to imagine any American who has reached adulthood in the United States being so unaware that racism persists in our nation today
 
justabubba said:
It is difficult to imagine any American who has reached adulthood in the United States being so unaware that racism persists in our nation today
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Well sure racism persists today but it has no power. What are we talking about 5,000 inbred morons in the Appalachian area?

The supply never seems to meet the demand
 
element94 said:
First, I'm doing an experiment by fashioning some of my posts the way gaslighting radical republicans often do, for my own amusement
I'm not denying anything. Everything I posted afterward is explaining what I said in that post. I also wanted to point out how you zeroed in on reparations, and let's not forget that it would be for the heinous act of slavery and how it ruined lives and seperated families. You seem only interested in everyone just forgetting that it ever happened. That analogy is a good one.
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I'd rather not be part of your experiment. I took you seriously. Should I not have?

It was the actual target that was zeroed in on.
Again "If race equity is desirable, how do you deliver it without reparations using redistribution as the vehicle?"
Equity is the excuse for reparations.
Reparations is Kendi's acknowledged intention.
Calling it a sign of being an "anti-racist" is supposed to appeal to white guilt in order to suck you in.
Did it work?
 
bubbabgone said:
I'd rather not be part of your experiment. I took you seriously. Should I not have?

It was the actual target that was zeroed in on.
Again "If race equity is desirable, how do you deliver it without reparations using redistribution as the vehicle?"
Equity is the excuse for reparations.
Reparations is Kendi's acknowledged intention.
Calling it a sign of being an "anti-racist" is supposed to appeal to white guilt in order to suck you in.
Did it work?
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Life's a bitch ain't it? Especially when it comes to the SC.
Reparations are being sought because equity is intangible for the present in this country.
I'm increasingly finding this forum to be a hallucinogenic experience.
 
element94 said:
Life's a bitch ain't it? Especially when it comes to the SC.
Reparations are being sought because equity is intangible for the present in this country.
I'm increasingly finding this forum to be a hallucinogenic experience.
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I can see you might have been influenced by such an experience if you find Kendi to be persuasive.
 
bubbabgone said:
I can see you might have been influenced by such an [hallucinogenic] experience if you find Kendi to be persuasive.
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in contrast, i think one must be tripping to be unable to see the presence of racism in our everyday life
it's that pervasive
 
j brown's body said:
“That is what it truly means to think as an antiracist: to think there is nothing wrong with Black people, to think that racial groups are equal. There are lazy and unwise and harmful individuals of African ancestry. There are lazy and unwise and harmful individuals of European ancestry. There are industrious and wise and harmless individuals of European ancestry. There are industrious and wise and harmless individuals of African ancestry. But no racial group has ever had a monopoly on any type of human trait or gene—not now, not ever.”

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“The opposite of racist isn't 'not racist.' It is 'anti-racist.' What's the difference? One endorses either the idea of a racial hierarchy as a racist, or racial equality as an anti-racist. One either believes problems are rooted in groups of people, as a racist, or locates the roots of problems in power and policies, as an anti-racist. One either allows racial inequities to persevere, as a racist, or confronts racial inequities, as an anti-racist. There is no in-between safe space of 'not racist.”

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Simple and valid. Is he wrong?
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He is not wrong. 'How to Be an Anti-Racist' is an excellent read, and it points out truths that are undeniable about those of us who have said "I'm not a racist" and thought that was enough.
 
GummyVitamins said:
The problem with Kendi is that he endorses discrimination. His entire philosophy can be summed up in his own words, "The only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination. The only remedy to present discrimination is future discrimination."
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And your suggestion would be to snap our fingers and declare racism over?
 
KevinKohler said:
All or nothing, eh?

Either participate in BLM riots, or, be labeled as being NOT "anti-racist".

Not a super way to gain ground, you know?
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False choice.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Sounds like Mr. Kendi is one of those "trained marxists" and while I agree with the notion that it takes more to deal with racism than "not being racist",
I do not allow authoritarian doctrines to inform my individual personal ways of tackling life issues like that and never have.
By preaching in ultimatums, either-ors and other binary concepts, Mr. Kendi is using a kettling method to scoop up prospects and deliver them to his marxist
core.
It's not JUST Kendi, it's marxism, fascism, accelerationism...pretty much ANY authoritarian ideology in general.
It also happens to be the main tool used by religious fundamentalists as well.

"You're either with us or you're against us".

The moment that gets trotted out my middle finger gets restless and I walk.
I don't do cults, not on the left, not on the right, not at all, and I can spot cultism a mile away.
And the only reason a student of ANY age would fall victim to binary thinking is if they are not taught CRITICAL thinking.
Teach students how to think critically and you can throw anything you like at the proverbial wall and they will glean the good and reject the bad automatically.
Critical thinking is the main tool of a strong mind.
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Read the book first, complain about what is in it afterward.
 
Gaius46 said:
This statement:

One either allows racial inequities to persevere, as a racist, or confronts racial inequities, as an anti-racist.

demands more than belief. It demands action. You can believe that racism is wrong and not have the time, opportunity or ability to do anything about it. That doesn’t make you a racist.
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You are what your priorities are.
 
GummyVitamins said:
Only one of us is advocating in favor of racial discrimination. And, it's not me.
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If I understand you correctly, you feel that affirmative action is racial discrimination?
 
NatMorton said:
The one thing I'll say in Kendi's favor is that while his views of history and society are wildly off base, he is direct with his message and does not hide behind euphemisms.

He's not pedaling some soft sounding, bastardized alternative like "Responsible Capitalism" or "a better kind of capitalism with ESG." Nope, he says racism and capitalism are "conjoined twins" and that they will be thrown out together. He does not pretend he's anything other than an anti-capitalist, and we should at least respect that honesty.

Similarly, when you get to what he thinks needs to be done to address racism, he is not using weasel terms like "affirmative action" or "equitable opportunity." He is calling for racial discrimination by name. From his book How to be an Anti-Racist:

“... the only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination. The only remedy to present discrimination is future discrimination.” ​

While the logic of fighting fire with fire can be questioned here, his directness cannot.

I just wish all of our shyster-pundits were this open about their thinking and their objectives.
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Do you believe affirmative action is racist?
 
Gaius46 said:
My priorities are taking care of my family and having a reasonably enjoyable life. Leaves little time for anything else.
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You don't have time to learn new things or consider ideas you haven't previously?

#sad
 
mrjurrs said:
You don't have time to learn new things or consider ideas you haven't previously?

#sad
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I learn new things and consider ideas I haven’t previously daily. Where did I say otherwise?

What I don’t do is protest and actively support every cause that comes along.
 
mrjurrs said:
He is not wrong. 'How to Be an Anti-Racist' is an excellent read, and it points out truths that are undeniable about those of us who have said "I'm not a racist" and thought that was enough.
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Stamped From the Beginning is the best books on race and US History I have ever read.
 
GummyVitamins said:
Of course it is. Kendi also agrees with me on this.
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And you believe that after placing someone at a disadvantage for years based on race, simply telling them 'ok, now you're in the game' is adequate recompense for actual discrimination?
 
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