IAEA chief: No evidence Iran is building a nuclear weapon

[Jagged]

No, no. We have to "yellow cake" this into an excuse for military intervention by the US.

I love yellow cake. Especially with chocolate frosting

 

[Rexedgar]

Has the 30K lb bomb been tested to 200’ penetration?

 

[Simon W. Moon]

No, no. We have to "yellow cake" this into an excuse for military intervention by the US.

@Roadvirus may wish to consider your point and decide there must be some Iranians with potential nuclear weapon program related plans which also need to be bombed.

 

[Ikari]

@Roadvirus may wish to consider your point and decide there must be some Iranians with potential nuclear weapon program related plans which also need to be bombed.

I mean, in today's world, who doesn't need to be bombed?

 

[jmotivator]

These articles are from this year, nor do they describe enrichment facilities that were enriching uranium while the JCPOA was in effect.

The articles are from the IAEA report from this year that verify the fact that those undeclared sites were used for enrichment and storage purposes. After the Israel intel breach there was an attempt to scrub the sites before the IAEA inspection but it failed and the IAEA concluded that they were operated in breach of the JCPOA.

 

[Hamish Howl]

That's Aljazeera's spin on what was said. What was actually said was they couldn't affirm Iran was building a nuclear weapon.

'We did not say that,' IAEA chief denies Iran building a nuclear weapon - CNBC TV18

IAEA chief Rafael Grossi also highlighted the concerns of nuclear radiations and leaks following the Israeli attacks citing radiological events where nuclear material can disperse in the atmosphere. Read on:

www.cnbctv18.com

"For us, on the basis of our inspections, our own evaluations, we came to the conclusion that we could not affirm that there is any systematic effort in Iran at the moment to manufacture a nuclear weapon," Grossi said.

/thread

 

[Simon W. Moon]

I mean, in today's world, who doesn't need to be bombed?

So many people out there with potential plan related activity.

 

[Jredbaron96]

The articles are from the IAEA report from this year that verify the fact that those undeclared sites were used for enrichment and storage purposes. After the Israel intel breach there was an attempt to scrub the sites before the IAEA inspection but it failed and the IAEA concluded that they were operated in breach of the JCPOA.

None of the articles you linked actually say that Iran was enriching Uranium at these sites while under the JCPOA.

Nor did the 2018 Israeli leaks reveal a secret enrichment facility. And your assertion that there was one, but it was "scrubbed" by the Iranians makes no sense; to "scrub" an enrichment facility would require deconstruction of hundreds, if not thousands of centerfuges, cooling towers, and power generators.

 

[jmotivator]

None of the articles you linked actually say that Iran was enriching Uranium at these sites while under the JCPOA.

Nor did the 2018 Israeli leaks reveal a secret enrichment facility. And your assertion that there was one, but it was "scrubbed" by the Iranians makes no sense; to "scrub" an enrichment facility would require deconstruction of hundreds, if not thousands of centerfuges, cooling towers, and power generators.

Where did I say that the enrichment facilities contained centrifuges? That's a fine straw man you've built.

Enrichment facilities - facilities used for Iran's enrichment program.

Undeclared stockpiles of Uranium can be used masked enrichment efforts by supplementing them into the declared enrichment products to give the appearance that the appropriate output has been maintained while in reality more enriched product was secretly moved to undeclared sites. Most of the IAEAs work is based pretty much accounting and book keeping and confirming input product and output product and ensuring the expected results. This works when the inspectors are assumed of a closed system with fully documented resources, but these undeclared sites made the even the observed processes harder to track.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Undeclared stockpiles of Uranium can be used masked enrichment efforts by supplementing them into the declared enrichment products to give the appearance that the appropriate output has been maintained while in reality more enriched product was secretly moved to undeclared sites. Most of the IAEAs work is based pretty much accounting and book keeping and confirming input product and output product and ensuring the expected results. This works when the inspectors are assumed of a closed system with fully documented resources, but these undeclared sites made the even the observed processes harder to track.

ALL SORTS OF SHIT

could be going on


"What sort of shit is there actually evidence of?" is the question, though.

Just because one of us can imagine that something could be happening, that's not evidence.
imho

 

[ataraxia]

What? What secret enrichment facility was discovered?

They were enriching up to 60%. Civilian use requires nothing more than 5%. Why?

 

[Simon W. Moon]

They were enriching up to 60%. Civilian use requires nothing more than 5%. Why?

What are the implications if interwebz rando, @Jredbaron96 does not have an answer you approve of?

If @Jredbaron96 cannot come up with an answer you like, is that evidence for your assertion?


afaf

 

[Questerr]

Actively building versus intent to build.

If they didn't intend to build a nuclear weapon they'd need to explain why they are pushing 60% Uranium enrichment levels when 3-5% enrichment is all that is needed for energy production.

Japan has the capability to make plutonium. Does that mean they are intending to build nuclear weapons?

 

[SoCal]

Actively building versus intent to build.

If they didn't intend to build a nuclear weapon they'd need to explain why they are pushing 60% Uranium enrichment levels when 3-5% enrichment is all that is needed for energy production.

Who needs experts when you have Fox commentators? I just heard Trump say he doesn't believe Tulsi gabbard who heads his very own intelligence service, better to trust the word of another one of his autocratic friends, Netanyahu.

Besides, who needs an intelligence service when you have a gut feeling? It's too bad it's the gut of an ignorant buffoon...

 

[ataraxia]

What are the implications if interwebz rando, @Jredbaron96 does not have an answer you approve of?

If @Jredbaron96 cannot come up with an answer you like, is that evidence for your assertion?


afaf

I’m just asking a question about something that doesn’t make sense to me right now. If there is no answer, it would make no difference, as I am not in any position of decision-making regarding this issue. Just curiosity.

 

[Questerr]

We've seen this shitshow before. In Iraq. Turns out they had no WMD. Cost us and others a lot of blood and treasure to find that out. But a doofus president wanted to play at war.

Sems as though we are on the verge of repeating history - with a much more dangerous target and a much bigger doofus as president.

Except this time Iran does have some WMDs unlike Iraq. They do most definitely have chemical weapons.

If the US invaded and I was in charge of Iran’s defense, I would disperse the nerve agents to special forces units, wait for the US to occupy Iran, and then use the nerve agents against the occupying troops.

 

[Plasmaball]

Iran's revitalized covert nuclear weapon program was only first discovered in the early 2000s

The IAEA assured everyone that they put an end to the AMAD Project in the early 2000s until leaked documents in 2018 proved that Iran has been progressing towards nuclear weapons all this time.

It really hasn't. I mean it might be now but it wasnt.
Its been weeks away for decades. This is a boring talking point

 

[BabaVoss]

Except this time Iran does have some WMDs unlike Iraq. They do most definitely have chemical weapons.

My point is that we have a pretty poor record of having an accurate understanding when the politicians are involved.

If the US invaded and I was in charge of Iran’s defense, I would disperse the nerve agents to special forces units, wait for the US to occupy Iran, and then use the nerve agents against the occupying troops.

I don't believe that even trump is stupid enough to call for a ground invasion.

 

[reinaert]

American isolationism always seems to mutate into arrogant imperialism, doesn't it?

It's almost like the isolationism is a seed pod for the still fragile seeds of intrusion.

 

[Questerr]

My point is that we have a pretty poor record of having an accurate understanding when the politicians are involved.


I don't believe that even trump is stupid enough to call for a ground invasion.

Except people are already talking “regime change” and you aren’t doing that with airstrikes.

 

[Phys251]

I don't think tRump is going to send troops to Iran. But I can see him sending even more military aid to Israel. Why does Israel need our aid, anyway? It would be better spent going to Ukraine.

 

[Phys251]

American isolationism always seems to mutate into arrogant imperialism, doesn't it?

It's almost like the isolationism is a seed pod for the still fragile seeds of intrusion.

It's as if with the radical right, the isolation-imperialism dial is a switch, like we have to have one or the other.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

I don't believe that even trump is stupid enough to call for a ground invasion.

Cruz and others have started beating the regime change drum.

I am reluctant to count on Trump's wisdom to keep us from profound foolishness like

• switching the DC federal govt over from the most secure IT infrastructure on the planet to Starlink Wi-Fi
• disbanding the Cyber Safety Review Board
• gutting the CDC with bird flu on the way
• dropping our contract to work on human bird flu vaccine (we can always three times as much money at it after it hits, right?)

 

[Simon W. Moon]

American isolationism always seems to mutate into arrogant imperialism, doesn't it?

It's almost like the isolationism is a seed pod for the still fragile seeds of intrusion.

Isolationism in re regular aid

Interventionist in re military aid

 

[NOLA Dude]