I will never forget January 6th 2021 and the tourist interaction with government

[911Sparky]

It was a disturbance that got out of hand.It reminds me of the Who concert in Cincinnati in 1979.Several people got trampled to death.Those at the Capitol were mostly peaceful protestors.

If I remember correctly, those trampled at the Who concert were ticket holders, The Insurrectionists had no legal right to be in the capital.

 

[Logician Man]

You are embarrassed, by discussion of 1/6, but not by the events themselves? Sounds ****ed up to me.

 

[911Sparky]

Biden will investigate Jan 6 as long as he is in office. He will also tell us how racist whites are as long as he is in office (even calling in the UN for help there).
Biden will use any smoke and mirror trick he can find to distract people from noticing that he is the worst president in modern history.

And you can tell this after 6 months in office? Do you have the winning numbers for tonight's lottery?

 

[Roger Duke]

And you can tell this after 6 months in office? Do you have the winning numbers for tonight's lottery?

Those winning numbers are something I only reveal to friends and family...sorry.

 

[Fishking]

Your defense of the indefensible

What have I defended?

You will be, "Who, me? Who is this Trump? I know nothing?"

Sounds like a threat. Seems like you're salivating for government forces to be turned into jack-boot thugs to round up anyone who disagrees with you.

 

[911Sparky]

There have been Dems storming and rioting things for years now. It happens so often that most people seem to forget how pervasive it is, and likely have relegated it to background noise.

You are correct that some Dems have rioted, and even caused death and destruction. But as an American citizen doesn't the 1/6 insurrection seem like a whole order of magnitude worse?
I don't remember seeing one post that excused or defended the rioting last summer, but I have seen posters on this forum doing that very thing, not you Fishking, but some have, and others have minimized it, which is what you are doing now, by comparing a civil riot to an attempted takeover of the center of our government.

 

[DataPoint]

What have I defended?

Sounds like a threat. Seems like you're salivating for government forces to be turned into jack-boot thugs to round up anyone who disagrees with you.

The only threat would be to America if Trump had used force as he wanted to. Milley said 'no'. End of that story.

The insurgent riot was force as you understand it, and it was defeated.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

Sorry, no....ya'll are just desperate to make it otherwise, but your hyperventilation is being ignored more an more. That's the problem with leftists and their near constant stream of fauxrage. After a while, it just becomes background noise.

Oh, is that why we have the WH, senate, and house?

Tell your impotent story walkin’.

 

[Fishking]

You are correct that some Dems have rioted, and even caused death and destruction. But as an American citizen doesn't the 1/6 insurrection seem like a whole order of magnitude worse?
I don't remember seeing one post that excused or defended the rioting last summer, but I have seen posters on this forum doing that very thing, not you Fishking, but some have, and others have minimized it, which is what you are doing now, by comparing a civil riot to an attempted takeover of the center of our government.

I don't see it as worse as it was a singular 4 hr event that is being treated seriously, with those participating being taken to task. Conversely, rioters are being let walk after arrest by DAs. Autonomous zones where set up (that's insurrection too). They tried to trap police inside a building and burn it down. They tried to burn the apartment complex down of the Portland mayor. They accost normal people in the streets, harass, assault, and sometimes kill them.

 

[Fishking]

The only threat would be to America if Trump had used force as he wanted to. Milley said 'no'. End of that story.

The insurgent riot was force as you understand it, and it was defeated.

You didn't answer the question. What have I defended?

 

[mrjurrs]

Holding those people without bail is cruel and unusual. Every one of them should demand jury trials and they should file charges against the justice dept for violating their constitutionally protected rights. That is something that would put the left in a real pickle because they will either have to admit they violated peoples rights or they will be setting precedent for it being legal to deny bail to future protesters. It creates an interesting dilemma

Do you think cash bail should be eliminated? I agree. That way, these folks would still be in jail as a danger to the community and this guy would be allowed to go back to his life.

"Hervis Rogers was so intent on casting a ballot in last year’s presidential primary that he waited six hours to vote, catching the attention of a CNN news crew when he became the last person to do so at his Houston polling place.
Rogers, now 62, debated leaving, he told CNN’s Ed Lavandera as he exited a polling center at Texas Southern University after midnight on March 4. “But I said to myself, ‘Nah. Don’t do that.’ It was set up for me to walk away, but I said, ‘No, I’m not going to do that.’ ”
More than a year later, Rogers was arrested on charges that he voted in last year’s Democratic primary while on parole. Under Texas law, it is illegal for a felon to “knowingly” vote while still serving a sentence, including parole. Doing so is a second-degree felony, punishable with a minimum of two years and a maximum of 20 years in prison. In at least 20 states, Rogers’s alleged vote would not be a crime."

A Texas man was arrested on charges that he voted in the 2020 Democratic primary while on parole. He could face as much as 20 years in prison.

More than a year later, Rogers was arrested on charges that he voted in last year’s Democratic primary while on parole. Under Texas law, it is illegal for a felon to “knowingly” vote while still serving a sentence, including parole.

www.texastribune.org

 

[trouble13]

Do you think cash bail should be eliminated? I agree. That way, these folks would still be in jail as a danger to the community and this guy would be allowed to go back to his life.

"Hervis Rogers was so intent on casting a ballot in last year’s presidential primary that he waited six hours to vote, catching the attention of a CNN news crew when he became the last person to do so at his Houston polling place.
Rogers, now 62, debated leaving, he told CNN’s Ed Lavandera as he exited a polling center at Texas Southern University after midnight on March 4. “But I said to myself, ‘Nah. Don’t do that.’ It was set up for me to walk away, but I said, ‘No, I’m not going to do that.’ ”
More than a year later, Rogers was arrested on charges that he voted in last year’s Democratic primary while on parole. Under Texas law, it is illegal for a felon to “knowingly” vote while still serving a sentence, including parole. Doing so is a second-degree felony, punishable with a minimum of two years and a maximum of 20 years in prison. In at least 20 states, Rogers’s alleged vote would not be a crime."

A Texas man was arrested on charges that he voted in the 2020 Democratic primary while on parole. He could face as much as 20 years in prison.

More than a year later, Rogers was arrested on charges that he voted in last year’s Democratic primary while on parole. Under Texas law, it is illegal for a felon to “knowingly” vote while still serving a sentence, including parole.

www.texastribune.org

I'm not exactly clear about what it is you are asking me for my opinion on so if I don't cover it feel free to reask.

I do not have a problem with the concept of a suspect being asked to post bail if it's a reasonable amount that does what it is intended. Ensure that a person will show up to their court date. Excessive bail amounts only create animosity between the justice system and the people they are meant to serve.

I am completely opposed to denying anyone their ability to vote based on their criminal history. I even people in jail should be allowed to vote. This issue I side with the left on.

Specifically, regarding people accused of being involved in criminal activity at the capitol building on Jan 6th, I see no reason to hold any of them without bail while they wait for their day in court. It's a shameful display by the courts showing they are very willing to strong-arm citizens into pleading out. IMO those people have a legitimate complaint to be heard by the SCOTUS and to take it one step further if the prosecution fails to convict, they have a good case for wrongful prosecution. I would sue the gov and if possible I would sue individuals personally.

 

[DataPoint]

Courts decide to hold suspects without bail, not DAs.

 

[Old 'N Chill]

 

[mrjurrs]

I'm not exactly clear about what it is you are asking me for my opinion on so if I don't cover it feel free to reask.

I do not have a problem with the concept of a suspect being asked to post bail if it's a reasonable amount that does what it is intended. Ensure that a person will show up to their court date. Excessive bail amounts only create animosity between the justice system and the people they are meant to serve.

I am completely opposed to denying anyone their ability to vote based on their criminal history. I even people in jail should be allowed to vote. This issue I side with the left on.

Specifically, regarding people accused of being involved in criminal activity at the capitol building on Jan 6th, I see no reason to hold any of them without bail while they wait for their day in court. It's a shameful display by the courts showing they are very willing to strong-arm citizens into pleading out. IMO those people have a legitimate complaint to be heard by the SCOTUS and to take it one step further if the prosecution fails to convict, they have a good case for wrongful prosecution. I would sue the gov and if possible I would sue individuals personally.

Imo, incarceration prior to conviction should only be based on the danger to the community or flight risk. A poor person who is a danger to the community should be held without bail, same as a rich person. Simply being able to buy your way out of jail is too similar to buying 'dispensations' from the church.

 

[trouble13]

Imo, incarceration prior to conviction should only be based on the danger to the community or flight risk. A poor person who is a danger to the community should be held without bail, same as a rich person. Simply being able to buy your way out of jail is too similar to buying 'dispensations' from the church.

Good point. I left out the danger to the community aspect. that was an oversight on my part. I would amend my answer to include that if I could.