I wasn’t sure that I wanted to be attached to this person for the rest of my [W:366]

[Lursa]

Re: I wasn’t sure that I wanted to be attached to this person for the rest of my life

The Courts have no say in the Amendment process.

Congress still has to have viable legal arguments to present. And they will be examined against the Constitution and will need compelling reasons to show that they are beneficial and not a gross infringement or hardship on other Americans.

Remember, they will also be challenged and the pro-choice side is firmly rooted in the Constitution already and will have their own solid arguments to refute them.

Society and the courts have already decided that women are not 2nd class citizens. We are not going backwards in history anymore than we are likely to enslave blacks again. African-Americans would not stand for it and neither will women.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Re: I wasn’t sure that I wanted to be attached to this person for the rest of my life

Congress still has to have viable legal arguments to present. And they will be examined against the Constitution and will need compelling reasons to show that they are beneficial and not a gross infringement or hardship on other Americans.

If a Constitutional amendment is properly ratified, neither Congress nor the courts have any power to overturn it.

 

[Lursa]

Re: I wasn’t sure that I wanted to be attached to this person for the rest of my life

If a Constitutional amendment is properly ratified, neither Congress nor the courts have any power to overturn it.

Congress still has to have viable legal arguments to present. And they will be examined against the Constitution and will need compelling reasons to show that they are beneficial and not a gross infringement or hardship on other Americans.

Remember, they will also be challenged and the pro-choice side is firmly rooted in the Constitution already and will have their own solid arguments to refute them.

Society and the courts have already decided that women are not 2nd class citizens. We are not going backwards in history anymore than we are likely to enslave blacks again. African-Americans would not stand for it and neither will women.

Yeah, just like there's a chance they could enslave blacks again. All it would take is for Congress to ratify the amendment. :doh They'd need compelling reasons to do so.

 

[Un biased]

Re: I wasn’t sure that I wanted to be attached to this person for the rest of my life

You doubt my evidence and say that I cannot produce it, but you forget. I said it was physical evidence, and I meant that. But if you think I am going to produce a baby carcass for you then you are wrong. Produce it yourself.

You are wasting my time with your attempted insult at me. If you cannot come up with proper facts, and instead behave like a petulant child, then just leave. You have lost. Get that through your head.

The only evidence you ever had was the look around you claim. Once again you ignorantly ignore the fact that a fetus is not a baby how pathetic . You deny the literal definition and replace it with your own. You conveniently skip all the evidence I give and instead just ad hominem after the other .

A baby has sentience a fetus before 23 weeks does not . The fetus would have irregular EEG patterns which would mean it would be technicaly at the moment brain dead .

 

[RamFel]

Re: I wasn’t sure that I wanted to be attached to this person for the rest of my life

The only evidence you ever had was the look around you claim. Once again you ignorantly ignore the fact that a fetus is not a baby how pathetic . You deny the literal definition and replace it with your own. You conveniently skip all the evidence I give and instead just ad hominem after the other .

A baby has sentience a fetus before 23 weeks does not . The fetus would have irregular EEG patterns which would mean it would be technicaly at the moment brain dead .

And you're ignoring the fact that an aborted fetus is dead, and when looked at, can be seen to be human. Perhaps you would like to deny that. What good is a definition when it's wrong? I am not ignorant but you certainly seem to be because you deny what is so obvious that your thinking baffles those of us that know what the heck we are talking about. You try to use a dictionary to define something but deny a dead human as a human but you don't go far enough. You are satisfied with what others tell you. So who's the pathetic one? The one who uses his eyes and ears to tell him what's real, or the one who uses a book to tell him what he should be thinking?

Take a good look at some pictures of dead babies after an abortion. They're humans. That means they're people. That means they were babies. Then go find some pictures of what a fetus looks like, and you will see a body, head, arms and legs. That will be a baby. But no. You want to use a dictionary to prove, but the only thing you can prove at this point is that you are too wrapped up in politics to see the truth.

If you have a fetus at a week before it is to be born, and the woman gives birth a week too soon, do you realize that it is a baby? But if it stays in the womb, you call it a fetus, but the only thing that separates the two is it's location; in the womb or out.

But it doesn't mean a thing because it is still alive. But you have decided that, due to your politics, you are going to look at a child in the womb and deny it' its humanity based on nothing more than a stupid dictionary.

And you call me pathetic?

A fetus is, and shall always be a baby. Live with it, because you have no choice.

 

[minnie616]

Re: I wasn’t sure that I wanted to be attached to this person for the rest of my [W:3

A fetus is an unborn.
Unborn's are not persons in the US.
Elective abortions are legal before viability.

Live with it.

 

[JayDubya]

Re: I wasn’t sure that I wanted to be attached to this person for the rest of my [W:3

A fetus is an unborn.
Unborn's are not persons in the US.
Elective abortions are legal before viability.

Live with it.

No one with a conscience can live with such a travesty without fighting against its continuation.

 

[Un biased]

Re: I wasn’t sure that I wanted to be attached to this person for the rest of my life

And you're ignoring the fact that an aborted fetus is dead, and when looked at, can be seen to be human. Perhaps you would like to deny that. What good is a definition when it's wrong? I am not ignorant but you certainly seem to be because you deny what is so obvious that your thinking baffles those of us that know what the heck we are talking about. You try to use a dictionary to define something but deny a dead human as a human but you don't go far enough. You are satisfied with what others tell you. So who's the pathetic one? The one who uses his eyes and ears to tell him what's real, or the one who uses a book to tell him what he should be thinking?

Take a good look at some pictures of dead babies after an abortion. They're humans. That means they're people. That means they were babies. Then go find some pictures of what a fetus looks like, and you will see a body, head, arms and legs. That will be a baby. But no. You want to use a dictionary to prove, but the only thing you can prove at this point is that you are too wrapped up in politics to see the truth.

If you have a fetus at a week before it is to be born, and the woman gives birth a week too soon, do you realize that it is a baby? But if it stays in the womb, you call it a fetus, but the only thing that separates the two is it's location; in the womb or out.

But it doesn't mean a thing because it is still alive. But you have decided that, due to your politics, you are going to look at a child in the womb and deny it' its humanity based on nothing more than a stupid dictionary.

And you call me pathetic?

A fetus is, and shall always be a baby. Live with it, because you have no choice.

So you are claiming that you know more and that your own definition is better than the actual one ? Your delusion of grandeur is quite inane.
A fetus is not a baby your assertion is lacking we call a fetus born or mature because it is viable . If not then the term is being used incorrectly . As I said before a baby has sentience a fetus does not. You say the fetus is alive but when before 23 weeks is practically brain dead. You are once again using emotional appeal and emotion does not equal evidence or proof. If it hurts your feeling when then I must say to bad you don't write laws based on it. As minmie has said "a fetus are unborn and are not persons in the US "

 

[JayDubya]

Re: I wasn’t sure that I wanted to be attached to this person for the rest of my life

A newborn is neither sentient nor sapient, yet it has its human rights protected just the same and it is technically called "a baby."

The relevance of this is that currently being sapient is not relevant compared to being a member of a sapient species.

 

[Un biased]

Re: I wasn’t sure that I wanted to be attached to this person for the rest of my life

A newborn is neither sentient nor sapient, yet it has its human rights protected just the same and it is technically called "a baby."

The relevance of this is that currently being sapient is not relevant compared to being a member of a sapient species.

Actually it does. It has the ability and mental compacity to format bonds and has a brain which is functional also has regular eeg waves.

 

[JayDubya]

Re: I wasn’t sure that I wanted to be attached to this person for the rest of my life

Actually it does. It has the ability and mental compacity to format bonds and has a brain which is functional also has regular eeg waves.

Actually, no. A newborn is no more sentient or sapient than the cows we slaughter for beef or the dogs we own as pets, neither of which have any rights whatsoever.

 

[Peter King]

Re: I wasn’t sure that I wanted to be attached to this person for the rest of my life

And you're ignoring the fact that an aborted fetus is dead, and when looked at, can be seen to be human. Perhaps you would like to deny that. What good is a definition when it's wrong? I am not ignorant but you certainly seem to be because you deny what is so obvious that your thinking baffles those of us that know what the heck we are talking about. You try to use a dictionary to define something but deny a dead human as a human but you don't go far enough. You are satisfied with what others tell you. So who's the pathetic one? The one who uses his eyes and ears to tell him what's real, or the one who uses a book to tell him what he should be thinking?

Take a good look at some pictures of dead babies after an abortion. They're humans. That means they're people. That means they were babies. Then go find some pictures of what a fetus looks like, and you will see a body, head, arms and legs. That will be a baby. But no. You want to use a dictionary to prove, but the only thing you can prove at this point is that you are too wrapped up in politics to see the truth.

If you have a fetus at a week before it is to be born, and the woman gives birth a week too soon, do you realize that it is a baby? But if it stays in the womb, you call it a fetus, but the only thing that separates the two is it's location; in the womb or out.

But it doesn't mean a thing because it is still alive. But you have decided that, due to your politics, you are going to look at a child in the womb and deny it' its humanity based on nothing more than a stupid dictionary.

And you call me pathetic?

A fetus is, and shall always be a baby. Live with it, because you have no choice.

Still ignoring reality I see? Tell me, when does a single cranberry or a sesame seed sized embryo look like a human being? Most abortions happen far before it looks like an actual human being, both on the outside and most certainly on the inside.

 

[Un biased]

Re: I wasn’t sure that I wanted to be attached to this person for the rest of my life

Actually, no. A newborn is no more sentient or sapient than the cows we slaughter for beef or the dogs we own as pets, neither of which have any rights whatsoever.

Babies imprint and from emotional attachments , they use the time before 4 months to distinguish the parental
Attachment Theory | Simply Psychology

^^ a site of course
A baby has a functional brain which I have said is what distinguished us from other animals. Human DNA shares many similarities to primateshttp:

Bonobos Join Chimps as Closest Human Relatives | Science/AAAS | News
The brain is the humans greatest strength

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Re: I wasn’t sure that I wanted to be attached to this person for the rest of my life

Yeah, just like there's a chance they could enslave blacks again. All it would take is for Congress to ratify the amendment. :doh They'd need compelling reasons to do so.

Congress doesn't ratify amendments to the Constitution.

 

[RamFel]

Re: I wasn’t sure that I wanted to be attached to this person for the rest of my life

So you are claiming that you know more and that your own definition is better than the actual one ? Your delusion of grandeur is quite inane.
A fetus is not a baby your assertion is lacking we call a fetus born or mature because it is viable . If not then the term is being used incorrectly . As I said before a baby has sentience a fetus does not. You say the fetus is alive but when before 23 weeks is practically brain dead. You are once again using emotional appeal and emotion does not equal evidence or proof. If it hurts your feeling when then I must say to bad you don't write laws based on it. As minmie has said "a fetus are unborn and are not persons in the US "

What is wrong with emotion anyway if it gets you to the right conclusions? Your problem is that you lack all emotion and it has turned your heart into stone. You use emotion too when you accuse us of trying to force women to carry their own baby to term.
A fetus is a baby. I am compelled to oppose you since you don't know what you are talking about. You waste my time by bringing up a stupid definition as if that were valid yet my proof beats yours anytime! You don't stand a chance against it. But far be it for me to stop somebody from making a fool of himself, them all I have to do is what I always do. Slap you down verbally. A fetus is a baby. What else can it be? Stop being so foolish and learn. It eventually grows into adulthood proving you wrong.

 

[Un biased]

Re: I wasn’t sure that I wanted to be attached to this person for the rest of my life

What is wrong with emotion anyway if it gets you to the right conclusions? Your problem is that you lack all emotion and it has turned your heart into stone. You use emotion too when you accuse us of trying to force women to carry their own baby to term.
A fetus is a baby. I am compelled to oppose you since you don't know what you are talking about. You waste my time by bringing up a stupid definition as if that were valid yet my proof beats yours anytime! You don't stand a chance against it. But far be it for me to stop somebody from making a fool of himself, them all I have to do is what I always do. Slap you down verbally. A fetus is a baby. What else can it be? Stop being so foolish and learn. It eventually grows into adulthood proving you wrong.

I don't use emotion. I know that females have developed brains and can feel emotional pain and physical pain as well. There is tons of evidence of this and if you so want I can link you to it. Using emotion to write laws is something is inane because not everyone feels the same as you. You give no evidence showing how a fetus is a baby yet , you claim they are the same with no actual evidence . You make your own definton and stages of fetus development like as if you know more than actual scientist and physicians . With nothing more than a look around you claim which is just an appeal to ignorance. Your opinion is not proof and only shows what lengthso you are willing to go to ignore everything to the contrary and spout your own ideas with nothing to actually support your claims. You haven't even refuted what I had said and can't even acknowledge the fact the a fetus before 23 weeks is practically brain dead as it has irregular eeg waves and lacks the imortant nureal tissues. A fetus is a fetus that is why it is called a fetus. A baby is called a baby that is why it is called a baby. You have no proof except an appeal to emotion and miss use the word baby . I dismantled this time and time again. Calling a fetus a baby is almost like calling a baby an adult , except a fetus under 23 weeks is as I said before brain dead and non sentient . Take another example this who are on life support and brain dead a family member can decide to pull the plug . Why is that you may wonder, well the body is alive but the brain is not .

The diagnosis of brain death


Physicians, health care workers, members of the clergy, and laypeople throughout the world have accepted fully that a person is dead when his or her brain is dead. Although the widespread use of mechanical ventilators and other advanced critical care services have transformed the course of terminal neurologic disorders. Vital functions can now be maintained artificially for a long period of time after the brain has ceased to function. There is a need to diagnose brain


^^ don't forget to read about the eeg waves in criteria


The family member may pull it for a variety of reasons it doesn't make them a killer. The brain is everything . What makes you better than an animal , is not your DNA as we share most of it with boonobos and chimps. Humans share genetic code with endangered ape species the bonobo | Daily Mail Online

 

[Lursa]

Re: I wasn’t sure that I wanted to be attached to this person for the rest of my life

Babies imprint and from emotional attachments , they use the time before 4 months to distinguish the parental
Attachment Theory | Simply Psychology

^^ a site of course
A baby has a functional brain which I have said is what distinguished us from other animals. Human DNA shares many similarities to primateshttp:

Bonobos Join Chimps as Closest Human Relatives | Science/AAAS | News
The brain is the humans greatest strength

Newborn babies IMMEDIATELY start understanding and manipulating their world. People are just ignorant if they deny this out of convenience for their argument. A newborn cries and gets attention, food, changed, etc. It immediately starts sorting out how that works....cause and effect...and starts using it to communicate with the world and manipulating it. "I'm hungry, so I'll cry", "I'm wet, and uncomfortable, so I'll cry," etc. For every instinctive behavior, they are assessing, consciously and unconsciously, the cause and effect...learning...and using it for their own purposes and needs.

 

[JayDubya]

Re: I wasn’t sure that I wanted to be attached to this person for the rest of my life

Again, a newborn is an inefficient milk to poop engine that cries when it's running low on fuel, less sapient and less sentient than animals we keep as pets and kill for lunch.

The idea that a newborn is magically different after passing through the mystical personhood cave is what is ignorant.

A newborn is incapable of judgment and has a trivial awareness of its surroundings. He or she has unalienable rights and those rights are protected because we are talking about a human being rather than a member of some lesser species. Certainly not because of their current status as milk-to-poop engine.

Likewise, an unborn human being has rights that deserve protection, not because of their current status but because of his or her humanity.

 

[Un biased]

Re: I wasn’t sure that I wanted to be attached to this person for the rest of my life

Again, a newborn is an inefficient milk to poop engine that cries when it's running low on fuel, less sapient and less sentient than animals we keep as pets and kill for lunch.

The idea that a newborn is magically different after passing through the mystical personhood cave is what is ignorant.

A newborn is incapable of judgment and has a trivial awareness of its surroundings. He or she has unalienable rights and those rights are protected because we are talking about a human being rather than a member of some lesser species. Certainly not because of their current status as milk-to-poop engine.

Likewise, an unborn human being has rights that deserve protection, not because of their current status but because of his or her humanity.

Babies have a human brain , that is what distinguishes us from other animals. They perceive the world around them as I have shown through sources. Humans without the brain are nothing more than other animals . It has evolved through time and is more acute than it once were To the point where human have surpassed other species in terms of medicine , structure design and making waves in the vast vacuum of space itself. Fetuses before 23 weeks lack the it and have no form of sentience what so ever .

You call a baby a milk to poop engine when really the computer like mind that people have and are born with kicks into overdrive , and it doesn't just start then it begins around the 25-26 weeks milestone in pregnancy . Which by that time abortion is illegal and rightfully so , as the fetus is forming sentience and can feel pain.
I get your opinion that you hold from a emotional standpoint it just doesn't hold .
if you were to show sources to the contrary actual peer reviewed articles then it would hold some weight but until then it is nothing more than opinion

 

[Henrin]

Re: I wasn’t sure that I wanted to be attached to this person for the rest of my life

People degrading human life is sickening to read.

 

[Henrin]

Re: I wasn’t sure that I wanted to be attached to this person for the rest of my life

Babies imprint and from emotional attachments , they use the time before 4 months to distinguish the parental
Attachment Theory | Simply Psychology

^^ a site of course
A baby has a functional brain which I have said is what distinguished us from other animals. Human DNA shares many similarities to primateshttp:

Bonobos Join Chimps as Closest Human Relatives | Science/AAAS | News
The brain is the humans greatest strength

The brain is an organ that is vastly important in the stages it is in. It does not in any sort of fashion mean that those stages that occur before it was developed are somehow of no importance or shouldn't be protected.

Oh and btw, psychology is not a science, so don't treat it like it is.

 

[Henrin]

Re: I wasn’t sure that I wanted to be attached to this person for the rest of my life

The family member may pull it for a variety of reasons it doesn't make them a killer. The brain is everything . What makes you better than an animal , is not your DNA as we share most of it with boonobos and chimps. Humans share genetic code with endangered ape species the bonobo | Daily Mail Online

While your argument is cute and all factually speaking without genetics the brain wouldn't exist.

 

[minnie616]

Re: I wasn’t sure that I wanted to be attached to this person for the rest of my life

People degrading human life is sickening to read.

It's not degrading it's just a fact that it takes time for the gestation process to form the brain and neural systems.

It is amazing that when one thinks about all the things that could go wrong during the gestation process the vast majority of children born have 10 fingers, 10 toes, all the correct body organs in the correct place and that most have at least an average IQ.

AMAZING!

 

[Un biased]

Re: I wasn’t sure that I wanted to be attached to this person for the rest of my life

While your argument is cute and all factually speaking without genetics the brain wouldn't exist.

Both DNA and genetics are close. Your point is lacking ano doesn't accurately refute the point. If you would define it a bit more and give actual detail it would be appreciated .

Genetics | The Smithsonian Institution's Human Origins Program

Also what makes you say that psychology is not a science so I may address it accuratly .

 

[Lursa]

Re: I wasn’t sure that I wanted to be attached to this person for the rest of my life

People degrading human life is sickening to read.

I agree and that's how I feel when I read about people who want to restrict abortion and then also restrict any possible welfare or public assistance to those families that were forced to have kids they cant afford. Completely degrading to human life...removing the liberty of their free will, force them into giving birth and then take away the support for their lives.

Much of the pro-life crowd is into quantity however, rather than quality of life. Reducing people to numbers is indeed degrading.