I wasn’t sure that I wanted to be attached to this person for the rest of my [W:366]

[Removable Mind]

Re: I wasn’t sure that I wanted to be attached to this person for the rest of my life

I believe she's talking about the 'father'.

:roll: It's the usual "it's a person", it's a "human being", "it's my golfing buddy", it's my "TV watching baby", "it also does card tricks, but you just can't see the little darlin do them yet"...sort of thing.

 

[JayDubya]

Re: I wasn’t sure that I wanted to be attached to this person for the rest of my life

Not the case. If you don't believer that a zygote has rights

... then the "you" in question believes something counterfactual, probably in accordance with his or her bigotry against their fellow human beings based on one arbitrary characteristic or another.

"If you don't believer (lol) that a redhead has rights" because you watched that episode of South Park and took it literally and think that all gingers are soulless, that would be just as arbitrary and just as absurd. And seeing as I have aged past those stages of life and I am not a ginger, by what passes for pro-abort "logic" I should not care if others kill human beings in a group that does not contain me. And yet I do, because all humans are created equal, and we all possess unalienable rights.

Similarly if you do not believe that aborting is killing

... then the "you" in question is so ridiculously ignorant of fact and completely delusional such that he or she is inherently dangerous.


Neither case is a matter for belief. Ignorance or stupidity on that scale does not excuse the action, and it offers no comfort, as someone that delusional and that ignorant may just switch their parameters to start thinking killing other groups also isn't really killing.

 

[joG]

Re: I wasn’t sure that I wanted to be attached to this person for the rest of my life

It's not killing , and the law seems to agree with me

In some jurisdictions you are right. That is what I said. The then legality in the jurisdiction in which he was, will probably will not help Oskar Gröning, though. And you do know that there are all ways to see this. There are jurisdictions in which abortion is completely forbidden or allowed and practiced for periods out to or after birth. There are countries in which abortion is a criminal act, but it is none the less allowed under certain circumstances. These things are very fluid and indefinite. Even in the US it will be interesting to see how the Supreme Court will decide, when viability is given from say inception.

 

[Un biased]

Re: I wasn’t sure that I wanted to be attached to this person for the rest of my life

In some jurisdictions you are right. That is what I said. The then legality in the jurisdiction in which he was, will probably will not help Oskar Gröning, though. And you do know that there are all ways to see this. There are jurisdictions in which abortion is completely forbidden or allowed and practiced for periods out to or after birth. There are countries in which abortion is a criminal act, but it is none the less allowed under certain circumstances. These things are very fluid and indefinite. Even in the US it will be interesting to see how the Supreme Court will decide, when viability is given from say inception.

Do you mean conception or inception .
Viability will never be agreed upon the time a fetuses is thought about being conceived . If you meant conception that is stil absurd making a unfounded hypothesis is not a point . The places where it is unlawful are extremely religious countries , places such as irland only allowed certain abortions was because it killed a woman becuae they denied her an abortion .
Abortion in Ireland: Immigrant woman is denied the procedure, forced into a C-section instead.
America the country where I reside it is unlawful to pass laws to coincide with religion anyway.

 

[RamFel]

Re: I wasn’t sure that I wanted to be attached to this person for the rest of my life

Looks like someone is making a unsubstantiated claim that a fetus is a child.
nice ad hominem

It has been substantiated. I know that the fetus is a child.

I substantiate it.

 

[RamFel]

Re: I wasn’t sure that I wanted to be attached to this person for the rest of my life

It's not killing , and the law seems to agree with me

The law is as wrong as you are.

 

[joko104]

Re: I wasn’t sure that I wanted to be attached to this person for the rest of my life

It has been substantiated. I know that the fetus is a child.

I substantiate it.

No you haven't. "Child" is just a word.

However, since you said it is, would you give a fetus citizen status if conceived in the USA? Or have a fetus have inferior rights and protections?

 

[RamFel]

Re: I wasn’t sure that I wanted to be attached to this person for the rest of my life

We've been over this before. Different people can have different opinions from you - indeed they quite often do. It's one of those things you're going to have to get used to.

We've been over this before. You are as wrong now as you were before. But I'm used to that.

 

[joko104]

Re: I wasn’t sure that I wanted to be attached to this person for the rest of my life

... then the "you" in question believes something counterfactual, probably in accordance with his or her bigotry against their fellow human beings based on one arbitrary characteristic or another.

"If you don't believer (lol) that a redhead has rights" because you watched that episode of South Park and took it literally and think that all gingers are soulless, that would be just as arbitrary and just as absurd. And seeing as I have aged past those stages of life and I am not a ginger, by what passes for pro-abort "logic" I should not care if others kill human beings in a group that does not contain me. And yet I do, because all humans are created equal, and we all possess unalienable rights.



... then the "you" in question is so ridiculously ignorant of fact and completely delusional such that he or she is inherently dangerous.


Neither case is a matter for belief. Ignorance or stupidity on that scale does not excuse the action, and it offers no comfort, as someone that delusional and that ignorant may just switch their parameters to start thinking killing other groups also isn't really killing.

Why would anyone rely on South Park when they have the Urban Dictionary for their scientific material?

 

[RamFel]

Re: I wasn’t sure that I wanted to be attached to this person for the rest of my life

No, I guess I don't have a clue about the mental ramifications to an abandoned child or the strain that child puts on the government taking care of it at all. :roll:

Sounds to me like you are making excuses. Give me reasons. Not excuses.

 

[RamFel]

Re: I wasn’t sure that I wanted to be attached to this person for the rest of my life

No you haven't. "Child" is just a word.

However, since you said it is, would you give a fetus citizen status if conceived in the USA? Or have a fetus have inferior rights and protections?

It remains substantiated despite what you think.

It doesn't matter where a child is conceived or born. You have no say in the matter. it is a human being and a person, even at conception. When will you understand that?

You already do. You just don't want to be wrong so you say crazy things to show your opposition to everything I and others like me, say,

But it doesn't matter what you think since what you think doesn't matter.

 

[JayDubya]

Re: I wasn’t sure that I wanted to be attached to this person for the rest of my life

Why would anyone rely on South Park when they have the Urban Dictionary for their scientific material?

As noted at the time I referenced it, it is exactly as reliable as the crowdsourced garbage you pro-aborts were citing.

 

[RAMOSS]

Re: I wasn’t sure that I wanted to be attached to this person for the rest of my life

It has been substantiated. I know that the fetus is a child.

I substantiate it.

You keep saying that.. yet, for all the time I see that you ahve been saying you can substantiate that, you can't show it's more than your opinion.

 

[Lursa]

Re: I wasn’t sure that I wanted to be attached to this person for the rest of my life

Opinions can be misguided. Or simply wrong. :shrug:

Yes but you have to provide evidence...ethical, legal, practical...that they are

In particular, you seem to like to make this kind of statement but back away when pressed to support your own opinion.

 

[DifferentDrummr]

Re: I wasn’t sure that I wanted to be attached to this person for the rest of my life

Yes but you have to provide evidence...ethical, legal, practical...that they are

In particular, you seem to like to make this kind of statement but back away when pressed to support your own opinion.

I don't know why you think opinions can be, much less should be, proved beyond some sort of doubt level. By definition, they can't.

Actually, I suppose you already know that, and simply demand a higher standard from any opinion that you don't happen to like, while giving a pass to your own.

 

[RamFel]

Re: I wasn’t sure that I wanted to be attached to this person for the rest of my life

You keep saying that.. yet, for all the time I see that you ahve been saying you can substantiate that, you can't show it's more than your opinion.

I think you know better than that. I have already substantiated it, which is where you wish you were. But you're not. Are you?

You're on the outside looking in.

 

[Lursa]

Re: I wasn’t sure that I wanted to be attached to this person for the rest of my life

I don't know why you think opinions can be, much less should be, proved beyond some sort of doubt level. By definition, they can't.

Actually, I suppose you already know that, and simply demand a higher standard from any opinion that you don't happen to like, while giving a pass to your own.

They cant...but they can be argued rationally and supported. I support...as you have seen...my position on abortion based on the moral & practical consequences to individual women, women in society, and society as a whole. After seeing my informative, detailed, and polite posts outlining such, you chose to 'leave' the discussion. More than once. There was no expectation that you agree, just discuss.

I enjoy the discussion...but some people find that their positions dont hold up as anything more than personal preference and I guess it bothers them to make that public on a forum.

 

[Un biased]

Re: I wasn’t sure that I wanted to be attached to this person for the rest of my life

The law is as wrong as you are.

if you are going to say that not only I am wrong t but the law is wrong please by all means show how with evidence , then just opinionate drivel

 

[RamFel]

Re: I wasn’t sure that I wanted to be attached to this person for the rest of my life

if you are going to say that not only I am wrong t but the law is wrong please by all means show how with evidence , then just opinionate drivel

You're a strange one. You come off as if you are right on this. Yet you are wrong because you have never been able to prove anything. And you come to me with attitude. What you fail to explain to anyone is how a person can be conceived and not be a human being, or a person.

You're good at saying it, but not good at proving it. Because when conception happens, the mass that results is not dead or un-human or "Just a mass of dead cells" as you seem to be anxious to show, but a living human being that is human all the way from beginning of life, to his grave.

Now, would you like to explain to us why you are right?

A feat which you will never be able to pull off.

 

[Un biased]

Re: I wasn’t sure that I wanted to be attached to this person for the rest of my life

You're a strange one. You come off as if you are right on this. Yet you are wrong because you have never been able to prove anything. And you come to me with attitude. What you fail to explain to anyone is how a person can be conceived and not be a human being, or a person.

You're good at saying it, but not good at proving it. Because when conception happens, the mass that results is not dead or un-human or "Just a mass of dead cells" as you seem to be anxious to show, but a living human being that is human all the way from beginning of life, to his grave.

Now, would you like to explain to us why you are right?

A feat which you will never be able to pull off.

Because there is no sentience . No brain or the correct neurons . What makes a human a human is the brain. If you want to change law or question it the burden of proof is on you . I implore you find some instead of your belief and opinion.

 

[RamFel]

Re: I wasn’t sure that I wanted to be attached to this person for the rest of my life

Because there is no sentience . No brain or the correct neurons . What makes a human a human is the brain. If you want to change law or question it the burden of proof is on you . I implore you find some instead of your belief and opinion.

There is no sentience but what you think is a good reason why women should be able to kill their babies, is not a reason but an excuse. I implore you to come up with reason's and not excuses.

 

[Un biased]

Re: I wasn’t sure that I wanted to be attached to this person for the rest of my life

There is no sentience but what you think is a good reason why women should be able to kill their babies, is not a reason but an excuse. I implore you to come up with reason's and not excuses.

Because a fetus is not a baby and equating the two is dishonest and is an appeal to emotion . Why don't you at least try to find some evidence as opposed to shift the burden of proof

 

[DifferentDrummr]

Re: I wasn’t sure that I wanted to be attached to this person for the rest of my life

They cant...but they can be argued rationally and supported. I support...as you have seen...my position on abortion based on the moral & practical consequences to individual women, women in society, and society as a whole. After seeing my informative, detailed, and polite posts outlining such, you chose to 'leave' the discussion. More than once. There was no expectation that you agree, just discuss.

I enjoy the discussion...but some people find that their positions dont hold up as anything more than personal preference and I guess it bothers them to make that public on a forum.

If the bolded part were ALL you did, I would not have "left."

The rest of your conduct did nothing to help the "informative, detailed" nature of your other arguments.

 

[RamFel]

Re: I wasn’t sure that I wanted to be attached to this person for the rest of my life

Because a fetus is not a baby and equating the two is dishonest and is an appeal to emotion . Why don't you at least try to find some evidence as opposed to shift the burden of proof

Because a fetus is, and has always been a baby. Equating the two is not dishonest. And you also have an appeal to emotion too, so don't wave that flag at me. And as for my proof, which you think is so dishonest, just look around on the Internet. If is physical proof. It is all the human looking carcasses that are the end result of all the abortions that even in death, look so human, and make a mockery out of your meager arguments.

And the results of all your support for this shame to our country only produces more and more evidence against you.

 

[RamFel]

Re: I wasn’t sure that I wanted to be attached to this person for the rest of my life

Good bye Un Biased.