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Elvira said:
Wrong...keep telling your lies...

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god. This one was in the beginning with God." John 1:1
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Uhhh, written by man. Isn't it the height of hubris for someone to interpret god's will?
 
Elvira said:
What a stupid thing to say, considering there are many threads on this forum that are not open to debate...
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And yet your very own OP contained a CLEARLY DEFINED PREMISE; by description open to debate. That's how debate works. You make a claim which includes a premise, that literally initiates a debate. That is how all of this works. By no stretch of the imagination was your OP some sort of "public service announcement". But it's understood that you're going to be quite disagreeable about this - which of course (ironically) continues the whole debate angle of your OP. If you attempt to exchange an idea, and that idea includes a premise..... guess what? You just initiated a debate. Kind of odd how this even has to be explained to an adult.


OM
 
Omega Man said:
And yet your very own OP contained a CLEARLY DEFINED PREMISE; by description open to debate. That's how debate works. You make a claim which includes a premise, that literally initiates a debate. That is how all of this works. By no stretch of the imagination was your OP some sort of "public service announcement". But it's understood that you're going to be quite disagreeable about this - which of course (ironically) continues the whole debate angle of your OP. If you attempt to exchange an idea, and that idea includes a premise..... guess what? You just initiated a debate. Kind of odd how this even has to be explained to an adult.


OM
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Wrong again...I asked a question...

Elvira said:
Why are atheists so interested in what and how people of faith think, when we could not care less what and how atheists think? What is the draw? :confused:
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Elvira said:
Wrong again...I asked a question...
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Wrong - as is typical; your "question" (actually known as begging the question, which itself is a logical fallacy) included a clearly defined premise - THUS IS DEBATABLE.


OM
 
Omega Man said:
Wrong - as is typical; your "question" (actually known as begging the question, which itself is a logical fallacy) included a clearly defined premise - THUS IS DEBATABLE.


OM
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How does debating alone work?:2wave:
 
Omega Man said:
Wrong - as is typical; your "question" (actually known as begging the question, which itself is a logical fallacy) included a clearly defined premise - THUS IS DEBATABLE.


OM
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What is the question being begged here?
 
nota bene said:
What is the question being begged here?
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The premise that would suggest that atheists as a whole have some sort of compulsory preoccupation with what believers think. Which of course was effectively rebutted many times over by others, but summarily dismissed by the author of the OP nonetheless.


OM
 
Omega Man said:
The premise that would suggest that atheists as a whole have some sort of compulsory preoccupation with what believers think. Which of course was effectively rebutted many times over by others, but summarily dismissed by the author of the OP nonetheless.


OM
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And Atheism is a singular issue.

That said I would suppose that the majority of Atheists do see religion as a destructive force that corrupts people into doing bad to evil things.
 
Omega Man said:
The premise that would suggest that atheists as a whole have some sort of compulsory preoccupation with what believers think. Which of course was effectively rebutted many times over by others, but summarily dismissed by the author of the OP nonetheless.


OM
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I was hopin' for some honesty from someone...guess not...
 
Elvira said:
I was hopin' for some honesty from someone...guess not...
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Expect that in yourself first, and you just might notice it in others more often. The fact you insist that your OP is somehow not open for debate, even though it literally includes a premise... well... that's the height of intellectual dishonesty.


OM
 
Omega Man said:
Expect that in yourself first, and you just might notice it in others more often. The fact you insist that your OP is somehow not open for debate, even though it literally includes a premise... well... that's the height of intellectual dishonesty.


OM
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I guess that makes too of us accused of dishonesty today.

Theists read what they want to read, see what they want to see.


Wasn't the Jesuit order built on total obedience so if a Jesuit sees something white but is told it's black, he will immediately confirm the color as black.
 
Elvira said:
Wrong...my faith has nothing to do with anyone but me...it's between me and God...to prove that, I don't even vote...next...
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This strikes me as wrongheaded, as well as just obviously wrong. Presumably your faith animates and motivates your actions, and your actions, unless you live in a sealed concrete vault deep in the earth or something, affect other people. We regularly seek after the motives of the people whose actions affect us, and I submit that doing so is necessary to survival. Understanding why a neighbor does x or y is necessary to knowing how to get along with that neighbor without coming into conflict.
 
ashurbanipal said:
This strikes me as wrongheaded, as well as just obviously wrong. Presumably your faith animates and motivates your actions, and your actions, unless you live in a sealed concrete vault deep in the earth or something, affect other people. We regularly seek after the motives of the people whose actions affect us, and I submit that doing so is necessary to survival. Understanding why a neighbor does x or y is necessary to knowing how to get along with that neighbor without coming into conflict.
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Would not someone's religious beliefs concern the priests/bishops/elders of the religion.

So a christian church can't accept a member preaching against dogma...it's like a Southern Baptist saying baptism is merely symbolic and not an essential part of their denomination.
 
Omega Man said:
The premise that would suggest that atheists as a whole have some sort of compulsory preoccupation with what believers think. Which of course was effectively rebutted many times over by others, but summarily dismissed by the author of the OP nonetheless.

OM
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I realize that the OP referred only to "atheists" (meaning, in the absence of a qualifier such as "some" or "many," all atheists), but the way I read it was as a question addressed to the atheists who post in this forum rather than to all atheists everywhere.

I have asked this same question because I don't understand either. Sure, there are some who want to respectfully engage and discuss, but there is a lot of mocking of those who believe in a "sky daddy" and so forth, and the intention to belittle is clear. I don't make fun of atheists and consider this "fun" or "deserved" either, so I don't get it.

Frankly, I don't consider engagement purposeful. You will never be able to "prove" that I am wrong to be a person of faith; I will never be able to "prove" that you're wrong either. So what is the point, particularly of the mocking of others with a contrarian viewpoint?
 
nota bene said:
I realize that the OP referred only to "atheists" (meaning, in the absence of a qualifier such as "some" or "many," all atheists), but the way I read it was as a question addressed to the atheists who post in this forum rather than to all atheists everywhere.

I have asked this same question because I don't understand either. Sure, there are some who want to respectfully engage and discuss, but there is a lot of mocking of those who believe in a "sky daddy" and so forth, and the intention to belittle is clear. I don't make fun of atheists and consider this "fun" or "deserved" either, so I don't get it.

Frankly, I don't consider engagement purposeful. You will never be able to "prove" that I am wrong to be a person of faith; I will never be able to "prove" that you're wrong either. So what is the point, particularly of the mocking of others with a contrarian viewpoint?
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My view is that the path to Atheism is not something that you can be made to believe but something you attain for yourself.

If just one Theist would sit down and contemplate why they believe a set of religious dogma on faith, debate has been a success.

Atheists as a group, probably agree that religion is a poisonous, destructive force so naturally it should be opposed or at least those who claim adherence to one, be challenged in their beliefs.

For myself, I've actually learned quite a lot more about religious beliefs, some of which I've actively gone out and sought information about through conversations on here.
 
nota bene said:
I realize that the OP referred only to "atheists" (meaning, in the absence of a qualifier such as "some" or "many," all atheists), but the way I read it was as a question addressed to the atheists who post in this forum rather than to all atheists everywhere.

I have asked this same question because I don't understand either. Sure, there are some who want to respectfully engage and discuss, but there is a lot of mocking of those who believe in a "sky daddy" and so forth, and the intention to belittle is clear. I don't make fun of atheists and consider this "fun" or "deserved" either, so I don't get it.

Frankly, I don't consider engagement purposeful. You will never be able to "prove" that I am wrong to be a person of faith; I will never be able to "prove" that you're wrong either. So what is the point, particularly of the mocking of others with a contrarian viewpoint?
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Well said, Nota...you are exactly right, my question was directed toward atheists on this forum, who most, not all but most, seem to be very hostile and rude toward believers and their faith...people who they do not know personally, yet choose to attack and downgrade on a daily basis...I am beginning to think like you...what is the point of engaging with such hateful people...I am ignoring more and more and engaging less and less for that very reason...
 
devildavid said:
So, do you believe in god?
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Theism is too broad of a term for a Christian...it goes much deeper, it is a personal relationship with Jehovah God and His Son, Jesus Christ...
 
Elvira said:
Then you should have no curiosity...you should already know, therefore no need to ask questions...
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You asked a question, i gave you and answer, and now you don't accept my answer. Don't tell me what I should or shouldn't have curiosity about just because you don't like my curiosity. Why are you so argumentative? Are you looking for a debate?
 
Elvira said:
Theism is too broad of a term for a Christian...it goes much deeper, it is a personal relationship with Jehovah God and His Son, Jesus Christ...
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Theism a a belief in god. So you are a theist as well as a christian. Being a theist doesn't stop you from being a christian.
 
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