I underestimated America's ability to protest

[Craig234]

Plutocrats have been successfully waging war on America a very long time, and especially winning since Reagan, basically controlling all of the Republican politicians and a large party of the Democrats, easily holding a majority which is all that matters.

As I look in history about when American democracy has 'functioned as intended', it's rare. We had the progressive movement circa 1900, women's suffrage, prohibition for and against, labor rights, the last successful popular uprising was the environmental movement when the EPA and endangered species acts were passed, and then the last was the unsuccessful 'no nukes' movement.

It seemed that as our government became owned by the plutocrats, as our media became owned by a handful of mega corporations, that it was harder and harder for the public to organize a big movement. The main one we saw was the plutocrat-backed Tea Party movement. Whoop de doo.

A smaller effort came with the Occupy movement, that seemed to prove the point how unable the public was to organize and take charge of an issue.

And then, suddenly, we have this civil rights police abuse movement that came out of nowhere, and seems to be effectively influencing the country. Wow. I'm impressed. I don't know what role the virus and economic crash might have played in making protest easier, but either way, it's a real populist movement it seems. And it's good to see.

Now, if only we could do better at movements around plutocracy and healthcare. But we just showed we can't right now, or Bernie would have won. But I'm glad to see the public organizing, not something the plutocrats or media are pushing for their own benefit. It's still way too hard, there are still too many obstacles, but I'll admit it's more than I thought was likely to happen.

 

[WCH]

Plutocrats have been successfully waging war on America a very long time, and especially winning since Reagan, basically controlling all of the Republican politicians and a large party of the Democrats, easily holding a majority which is all that matters.

As I look in history about when American democracy has 'functioned as intended', it's rare. We had the progressive movement circa 1900, women's suffrage, prohibition for and against, labor rights, the last successful popular uprising was the environmental movement when the EPA and endangered species acts were passed, and then the last was the unsuccessful 'no nukes' movement.

It seemed that as our government became owned by the plutocrats, as our media became owned by a handful of mega corporations, that it was harder and harder for the public to organize a big movement. The main one we saw was the plutocrat-backed Tea Party movement. Whoop de doo.

A smaller effort came with the Occupy movement, that seemed to prove the point how unable the public was to organize and take charge of an issue.

And then, suddenly, we have this civil rights police abuse movement that came out of nowhere, and seems to be effectively influencing the country. Wow. I'm impressed. I don't know what role the virus and economic crash might have played in making protest easier, but either way, it's a real populist movement it seems. And it's good to see.

Now, if only we could do better at movements around plutocracy and healthcare. But we just showed we can't right now, or Bernie would have won. But I'm glad to see the public organizing, not something the plutocrats or media are pushing for their own benefit. It's still way too hard, there are still too many obstacles, but I'll admit it's more than I thought was likely to happen.

You do realize the Plutocracy is paying for all these protests and the damage they have caused.

 

[calamity]

Plutocrats have been successfully waging war on America a very long time, and especially winning since Reagan, basically controlling all of the Republican politicians and a large party of the Democrats, easily holding a majority which is all that matters.

As I look in history about when American democracy has 'functioned as intended', it's rare. We had the progressive movement circa 1900, women's suffrage, prohibition for and against, labor rights, the last successful popular uprising was the environmental movement when the EPA and endangered species acts were passed, and then the last was the unsuccessful 'no nukes' movement.

It seemed that as our government became owned by the plutocrats, as our media became owned by a handful of mega corporations, that it was harder and harder for the public to organize a big movement. The main one we saw was the plutocrat-backed Tea Party movement. Whoop de doo.

A smaller effort came with the Occupy movement, that seemed to prove the point how unable the public was to organize and take charge of an issue.

And then, suddenly, we have this civil rights police abuse movement that came out of nowhere, and seems to be effectively influencing the country. Wow. I'm impressed. I don't know what role the virus and economic crash might have played in making protest easier, but either way, it's a real populist movement it seems. And it's good to see.

Now, if only we could do better at movements around plutocracy and healthcare. But we just showed we can't right now, or Bernie would have won. But I'm glad to see the public organizing, not something the plutocrats or media are pushing for their own benefit. It's still way too hard, there are still too many obstacles, but I'll admit it's more than I thought was likely to happen.

IMO, it's actually a shift in supply and demand from the 70's which boosted the plutocrat. As labor became less valuable due to foreign competition and automation, capital increased in value. Add to that the financialization of our economy, where we went from tax and spend to borrow and spend more, and we can see why the people with the cash now call the shots.

 

[calamity]

You do realize the Plutocracy is paying for all these protests and the damage they have caused.

That's nice. Would that it were true. :roll:

In reality, the plutocracy will profit off the unrest, most likely by lending money for the rebuild, which will then be repaid by future generations in never-ending interest payments since no one will ever be able to pay off the principle on $25T in debt.

 

[ataraxia]

You do realize the Plutocracy is paying for all these protests and the damage they have caused.

Not really. What’s in it for them?

 

[calamity]

Not really. What’s in it for them?

Profits

 

[ataraxia]

Profits

Huh? How would the CEO of Wendy’s, for example, benefit from the looting of his stores?

Business benefits from stability and order. Riots and looting are not good for business.

 

[Dayton3]

And it's good to see.
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Debatable. Hardly justified by police killing less than a dozen unarmed black people in the U.S. a year (and some of those fully justified).

 

[uptower]

Huh? How would the CEO of Wendy’s, for example, benefit from the looting of his stores?

The point Calamity was making was that CEOs of banks and other lending institutions will profit off it. Wendy's will perhaps just 'recover,' which still means a s*** ton of cash for the CEO.

 

[WCH]

Not really. What’s in it for them?

Ask Soros and the other NWO globalists.

 

[WCH]

That's nice. Would that it were true. :roll:

In reality, the plutocracy will profit off the unrest, most likely by lending money for the rebuild, which will then be repaid by future generations in never-ending interest payments since no one will ever be able to pay off the principle on $25T in debt.

They'll also profit from creating a world where they can get away with more of the same while using the media to control thought and make us more divided than ever.

 

[Helix]

public protests during a serious pandemic that people are back to pretending isn't happening are probably not a good idea. the motivation behind them is valid, IMO, however. i just don't support gathering in crowds right now.

 

[Thoreau72]

You do realize the Plutocracy is paying for all these protests and the damage they have caused.

The Plutocracy has mucho dinero, money to burn.

Whoever it is that is behind the violence is very well off and very well organized. Could it be that George Soros works for or with the CIA or Mossad?

 

[ataraxia]

Ask Soros and the other NWO globalists.

How are Soros and the globalists benefitting from the protests? And why would, for example, the CEOs of Wendy’s or Ford be in on it?

 

[ataraxia]

The Plutocracy has mucho dinero, money to burn.

Whoever it is that is behind the violence is very well off and very well organized. Could it be that George Soros works for or with the CIA or Mossad?

It’s clear that he works for the ancient aliens who built the Egyptian pyramids. They are also the ones who have hidden away Obama’s real birth certificate, BTW.:aliens1:

 

[Hypothetical]

Not really. What’s in it for them?

it keeps us divided so they can continue their globalist dreams

 

[Grandpappy]

IMO, it's actually a shift in supply and demand from the 70's which boosted the plutocrat. As labor became less valuable due to foreign competition and automation, capital increased in value. Add to that the financialization of our economy, where we went from tax and spend to borrow and spend more, and we can see why the people with the cash now call the shots.

Crap. I actually agree with that.

 

[ataraxia]

it keeps us divided so they can continue their globalist dreams

So wait: they want to divide the globe to unite it?

 

[Hypothetical]

So wait: they want to divide the globe to unite it?

they aren't dividing the globe, and they aren't uniting it, they are dividing america to gain more and more control. I think they mean to make us into China so they have very cheap labor myself and can rule with their own personal security forces paid for by sums the rest of us will never even be able to imagine.

 

[Craig234]

It seems like there's a lot of confusion here. Plutocracy is mostly a separate issue from the protests. The protests are grass-roots actions about police behavior. They have little to nothing to do with plutocrats or profits of anyone.

 

[swing_voter]

plu·toc·ra·cy
/plo͞oˈtäkrəsē/
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noun
government by the wealthy.
"the attack on the Bank of England was a gesture against the very symbol of plutocracy"
a country or society governed by the wealthy.
plural noun: plutocracies
"no one can accept public policies which turn a democracy into a plutocracy"
an elite or ruling class of people whose power derives from their wealth.
"officials were drawn from the new plutocracy"



Trump is the only rich president we've had.

The Obamas weren't what you call rich, though a few book deals might've helped. Same with Bernie. Bernie wasn't rich, but thanks to a few books he wrote after becoming a candidate, he's rich af now.

The Clintons weren't rich, and they lost most of their money to legal fees. But a few books and speaking engagements helped them out.



Where are all these plutocrats running the government?


Bill Gates, Warren Buffet and Bezos are too busy to run anything other than their businesses. Or charity in the case of Bill Gates.


It's like you want some imaginary villains to fight against, the evil plutocrats.

 

[calamity]

Huh? How would the CEO of Wendy’s, for example, benefit from the looting of his stores?

Business benefits from stability and order. Riots and looting are not good for business.

Wendy's will collect on the insurance, build a more modern store, perhaps one of those with more automation and multiple drive thru windows. Winning.

 

[apdst]

The point Calamity was making was that CEOs of banks and other lending institutions will profit off it. Wendy's will perhaps just 'recover,' which still means a s*** ton of cash for the CEO.

The bank holding the on the Wendy's lost money when it got burned down. There's no way that's profitable.

 

[WCH]

How are Soros and the globalists benefitting from the protests? And why would, for example, the CEOs of Wendy’s or Ford be in on it?

It's all about power and money. Always has been.

https://modernhistoryproject.org/mhp?Article=FinalWarning

 

[ataraxia]

It seems like there's a lot of confusion here. Plutocracy is mostly a separate issue from the protests. The protests are grass-roots actions about police behavior. They have little to nothing to do with plutocrats or profits of anyone.

There are some connections.

Plutocrats have been able to harness and exploit underlying fears, prejudices, bigotry, ignorance, and misunderstanding of large portions of the population to advance certain personal interests and agendas, often on their backs.

So for example: do you fear the black man and you’re afraid he is going to hurt you and your family? Are you afraid of the Hispanics taking away your job? Well then buy our guns! Not one or two handguns, but 10 or 20 military style weapons. Turn your house into an armory- you never know!

Or: are you frustrated that a black man is your president now? The gall! Vote for the other party that wants to cut my taxes (but not yours of course- someone has to keep paying them) and they will keep you safe from all those coloreds, LGBTQ, Hispanics, etc...

How else do you explain the funding of the Tea Party grassroots Astroturf by the Koch brothers immediately after the election of the first black president?