I think Democrats largely misunderstand trump's support

[Jay59]

Not according to U.S. Citizen and Immigration Services.

Your own quote shoots you down.

Entry is only through entry ports. Application for asylum can be by anyone already entered. The keywords of the statute are physically present in the United States.

There's no such thing.

It's a correct form.

 

[Nickyjo]

It may have been the procedure at the time, but it was never the law.

Many procedures developed that were not required and many of them involved overlooking or dismissing potential barriers. Once they had a chance to dig into the actual law and find where it differed from practice and procedure, they found that the law had a lot more flexibility than had been used.

One element of it is intervening countries. For legal purposes, Mexico granted most of them asylum. You should recognize that there is no valid claim of asylum when another nation has already granted asylum. We just made a practice of ignoring that detail.

I don’t know where you got your info about Mexico granting them asylum. If it had, then presumably that would invalidate any claim made to the US. Mexico has sheltered a number of high profile exiles, but has also had a spotty record in granting protection. In fact, one concern when I worked on cases for a living, was the return of a number of Guatemalans from southern Mexico with no consideration of asylum. They were killed by Guatemalan security forces. It seems to me that you are asking poor, at times uneducated people who may have been traumatized to 1- know what asylum is; 2- be aware of Mexican law on asylum; 3- and if Mexican procedures existed to have the good fortune to run into Mexican officials who were aware of the process. As to procedure vs law, the “firmly resettled” policy came from a court decision, I believe. This is an example of the reality I learned about by talking to Mexican volunteers who worked with these people in the past 2-3 years: a youth, say from Honduras, is told he has 48 hours to join a drug gang or he and perhaps his whole family will be killed. He hides in country if able, or moves to Guatemala/El Salvador or heads towards the US. Often the decision as to where to flee is based on a immigrant cousin living somewhere in the US or even Canada. When I met with Mexican halfway house volunteers a couple years ago in Guanajuato state, they said migrants might go towards Monterrey, an industrial city in the north, where they might find jobs and be somewhat safe from detection and return.

Finally, you still have to deal with the US ratified treaty provision that allows them to be denied asylum, if they were firmly resettled for example, but prohibits their return to their home country if they face significant danger there. This is the status known as “withholding of deportation” that can be rescinded if conditions improve.

Things may have changed, as I last worked professionally on these cases in 2001, but in the past few years, I volunteered in El Paso in 2019 with an organization sheltering Central American asylum seekers who were allowed into the US by US immigration officials even though they passed through Mexico, and as noted, I met with Mexicans sheltering migrants on their way north.

 

[Hughinn]

They're enormously underappreciated.

So are African Americans. And they're legal legacy born American citizens, being displaced more and more everyday by these illegal migrants you appreciate so much.

Congratulations

You must be repeating the right-wing lie about Byrd, who as a youth was in the KKK where he grew up, and later, as a Senator, completely renounced them and his past actions. You didn't tell the truth.

No one denies the terrible history of the Democratic Party. You right-wingers try to lie by pretending it's still the same party. As if you ever say a word supporting black people other than your feigned concern about the Democrats Party having been racist in the past. While Republicans block voting rights for black Americans *now*, you support it.

If it walks like a duck, and quacks like duck......you know what it is?


The democrat party gained power by spreading hatred and racism in the 30s 40s amd 50s.

They're still doing the exact same thing today, pretty much the same way, and for the same purpose.

 

[iguanaman]

And this post isn't going to try to explain it. I still have things to figure out myself.

Yet the point I am making is that I think the right's passionate support for trump is more support for someone 'outside' the rest of their options, and is in spite of trump's flaws they overlook.

So Democrats keep wanting to list thousands of examples to his supporters saying 'how can you support this insane example', when they don't really.

To better understand think of this. Would you as a Democrats support Hillary having replaced trump as of last year? Would you have STRONGLY supported it, as someone who would save our democracy?

OK, imagine you got your wish. And then Republicans day in and say out confront you with 'but Hillary said THIS' and 'Hillary lied about THAT' and things that were wrong about Hillary over and over.

Imagine how your reaction might be, 'ya, but who cares, it's better than trump.' You aren't exactly approving of this or that example Hillary does; you simply have made up your mind that you support her because of how bad trump would be. A hundred attacks of 'but Hillary did this wrong thing' might not phase you on that.

I think that's more the mentality of trump voters. I think they're *wrong* of course, but that that is how they see it. They fell for his 'drain the swamp' faux populism, they love seeing the Democrats they've been encouraged to hate 'cry' over trump, they don't really like 'the establishment' of either party and wrongly buy into trump's supposedly upsetting the elites.

So Democrats aren't going to get much traction 'winning back' his supporters with the attacks, as we've seen for years. I could go on to the topic of what might do better, but will just make the point above in this post.

Yes the appeal of demagogues has been around as long as democracies. Just because it is an ancient playbook does not mean it does not still work, The only weapon that can defeat the demagogue is to show the supporters that you can actually do what the "dear leader" only promises to do. Hence Bidens "Build back better" agenda.

 

[Jay59]

I don’t know where you got your info about Mexico granting them asylum. If it had, then presumably that would invalidate any claim made to the US. Mexico has sheltered a number of high profile exiles, but has also had a spotty record in granting protection. In fact, one concern when I worked on cases for a living, was the return of a number of Guatemalans from southern Mexico with no consideration of asylum. They were killed by Guatemalan security forces. It seems to me that you are asking poor, at times uneducated people who may have been traumatized to 1- know what asylum is; 2- be aware of Mexican law on asylum; 3- and if Mexican procedures existed to have the good fortune to run into Mexican officials who were aware of the process. As to procedure vs law, the “firmly resettled” policy came from a court decision, I believe. This is an example of the reality I learned about by talking to Mexican volunteers who worked with these people in the past 2-3 years: a youth, say from Honduras, is told he has 48 hours to join a drug gang or he and perhaps his whole family will be killed. He hides in country if able, or moves to Guatemala/El Salvador or heads towards the US. Often the decision as to where to flee is based on a immigrant cousin living somewhere in the US or even Canada. When I met with Mexican halfway house volunteers a couple years ago in Guanajuato state, they said migrants might go towards Monterrey, an industrial city in the north, where they might find jobs and be somewhat safe from detection and return.

Finally, you still have to deal with the US ratified treaty provision that allows them to be denied asylum, if they were firmly resettled for example, but prohibits their return to their home country if they face significant danger there. This is the status known as “withholding of deportation” that can be rescinded if conditions improve.

Things may have changed, as I last worked professionally on these cases in 2001, but in the past few years, I volunteered in El Paso in 2019 with an organization sheltering Central American asylum seekers who were allowed into the US by US immigration officials even though they passed through Mexico, and as noted, I met with Mexicans sheltering migrants on their way north.

You're trying to move the goalposts. Mexico grants them asylum by allowing them to enter and remain in the country. It is not a difficult concept.

The law has not changed, but between 2017 and 2019 the rules and procedures were overhauled to bring them into accord with the statutory language. Anything you did prior to 2016 is potentially changed.

 

[Craig234]

The democrat party

There's no such thing.

 

[less right]

Your own quote shoots you down.

Entry is only through entry ports. Application for asylum can be by anyone already entered. The keywords of the statute are physically present in the United States.

I stand corrected.

 

[Hughinn]

There's no such thing.

"Democrat" is noun. Describing a person identifying themselves as a Democrat. Typically a person of socialist, Marxist and neo communist political views, showing distinct fealty to the democrat party

"Democratic" is a verb describing an action or state of being.

The democrat party is certainly full of democrats. But there's nothing democratic about them.

The proper term is Democrat party

 

[Craig234]

"Democrat"

 

[Hughinn]

If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck.....

 

[Craig234]

If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck.....

You aren't saying anything, whatever you think you are.

 

[Nickyjo]

"Democrat" is noun. Describing a person identifying themselves as a Democrat. Typically a person of socialist, Marxist and neo communist political views, showing distinct fealty to the democrat party

"Democratic" is a verb describing an action or state of being.

The democrat party is certainly full of democrats. But there's nothing democratic about them.

The proper term is Democrat party

The proper thing is the courtesy we afford people and groups of calling them by the names they have chosen. I don’t see anyone calling the GOP the “ Republic Party.” Look up their websites: it’s the Democratic Party and the Republican Party.

But I love the McCarthyite language. Takes me back to the first time someone called me a commie. Sort of a complement, as it means you are winning the argument.

 

[noonereal]

I think Democrats largely misunderstand trump's support​

I think it's very easy to understand.

He gives them absolution for their failed lives. It's the blacks fault, it's women's fault, it's the immigrants fault.

He appeals to greed in those who are economically successful. He then feeds their ego by claiming they earned it, as if sociaty did nothing to facilitate their sucess.

To top it all off, he tells them they are the chosen, the real Americans despite the fact that most are late to the party. He exploits the culture war in spite of finding the values he champions vulgar.

This is not rocket science, he simply tell the deplorables what they want to hear. Lies about themselves that make their vileness more palatable to themselves.

 

[noonereal]

If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck.....

Trump is a duck?

Just what does this mean?

 

[Michael Cole]

"Democrat" is noun. Describing a person identifying themselves as a Democrat. Typically a person of socialist, Marxist and neo communist political views, showing distinct fealty to the democrat party

"Democratic" is a verb describing an action or state of being.

The democrat party is certainly full of democrats. But there's nothing democratic about them.

The proper term is Democrat party

Democratic is an adjective.

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Plus, there's the little thing about it being THE NAME OF THE PARTY. Lol. Smfh. Welcome to the classroom.

 

[Hughinn]

I think it's very easy to understand.

He gives them absolution for their failed lives. It's the blacks fault, it's women's fault, it's the immigrants fault.

He appeals to greed in those who are economically successful. He then feeds their ego by claiming they earned it, as if sociaty did nothing to facilitate their sucess.

To top it all off, he tells them they are the chosen, the real Americans despite the fact that most are late to the party. He exploits the culture war in spite of finding the values he champions vulgar.

This is not rocket science, he simply tell the deplorables what they want to hear. Lies about themselves that make their vileness more palatable to themselves.

He appeals to greed in those who are economically successful. He then feeds their ego by claiming they earned it, as if sociaty did nothing to facilitate their sucess.


The democrat party has been telling the people ofplaces like Baltimore, Detroit, Newark and Chicago for decades that all of thier problems are not because of the rich democrats in charge, but because of poor white people living in trailer parks outside of town and in unfashionable places rich Democrats fly over when visiting liberal friends on the coasts.

By contrast of the poorest amd most destitute places in America, democrat party also controls the richest. Hollywood, silicon Valley, Washington DC, park Avenue and Wall Street all democrat party strongholds.

The great slumlords of the 21st century have convinced the people of thier own slums to blame thier neighbors. Too funny.



he tells them they are the chosen, the real Americans despite the fact that most are late to the party. He exploits the culture war in spite of finding the values he champions vulgar.

The democrat party has convinced a large part of the millennial generation that thier special, that the world owes them something amd that someone (not democrats) have somehow cheated them out of this. They're give. Safe spaces, free education amd told thier lives should be easy and free from stress and work, despite most are coddled and undeserving....late to the party. They exploit the culture war and champion the vulgar. See antifa and blm for reference


So tell me why democrat party strategists don't understand Donald Trump, when by your definition, he plays from thier playbook.

 

[noonereal]

The democrat party has been telling the people ofplaces like Baltimore, Detroit, Newark and Chicago for decades that all of thier problems are not because of the rich democrats in charge, but because of poor white people living in trailer parks outside of town and in unfashionable places rich Democrats fly over when visiting liberal friends on the coasts.

Yes they have which is why I could never support them when this was a mantra.

But we are not talking about the DEms in this thread.

The democrat party has convinced a large part of the millennial generation that thier special, that the world owes them something amd that someone (not democrats) have somehow cheated them out of this. They're give. Safe spaces, free education amd told thier lives should be easy and free from stress and work, despite most are coddled and undeserving....late to the party. They exploit the culture war and champion the vulgar. See antifa and blm for reference

Yes they have. It's freakin awful. A generation of entitled Mc' Mansion kids.

So tell me why democrat party strategists don't understand Donald Trump, when by your definition, he plays from thier playbook.

i never said the DEm's don't understand him.


Your posts are really not very good at this, are they?

 

[Hughinn]

Yes they have which is why I could never support them when this was a mantra.

But we are not talking about the DEms in this thread.



Yes they have. It's freakin awful. A generation of entitled Mc' Mansion kids.



i never said the DEm's don't understand him.


Your posts are really not very good at this, are they?

The odd thing to me about progressives, is that they get so worked up about change every election cycle, just to run down to the polls and vote for the same democrats that have built, propagate and maintain the status quo in the places they live. All the while pretending to reject the system that insulates them from the reality that they've chose the peolple to make it that way and continue to do so.

You could call Donald Trump a con man all you want, but he's downright amateur compared to the democrat party

 

[noonereal]

The odd thing to me about progressives, is that they get so worked up about change every election cycle, just to run down to the polls and vote for the same democrats that have built, propagate and maintain the status quo in the places they live. All the while pretending to reject the system that insulates them from the reality that they've chose the peolple to make it that way and continue to do so.

You could call Donald Trump is a con man all you want, but he's downright amateur compared to the democrat party

The big differentiator between Trumpism and Democates is morality and ethics. Respect and order to ensure the greater good. Education to advance the country not ignorance to retain power.

We all know which side each fall on.

 

[Jay59]

If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck.....

That does not look like a duck, walk like a duck, or quack like a duck. It does look and sound like something but my wife does not like me to use that term.

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

The people who supported Trump did so because he tried his best to fix the real problems we have in our country today. He was not a 2 faced lying party puppet who say one thing and do something else or nothing. I think the people who are not wearing party blinders and do not have the media's hook set so deep in their mouth could see that. I loved the fact he tweeted every day letting anyone who cared to listen know what his intentions were. Not this covered up, underhanded, sneaky, lying, PC, snow job crap we are getting from Biden.

A plane load of illegals land in our airport after hours so nobody would know what underhanded crap our government is up to. I heard it was happening but now it is in my backyard. I will be on the phone to my representatives and I want to hear them lie to my face about it.

 

[pocket aces]

The people who supported Trump did so because he tried his best to fix the real problems we have in our country today. He was not a 2 faced lying party puppet who say one thing and do something else or nothing. I think the people who are not wearing party blinders and do not have the media's hook set so deep in their mouth could see that. I loved the fact he tweeted every day letting anyone who cared to listen know what his intentions were. Not this covered up, underhanded, sneaky, lying, PC, snow job crap we are getting from Biden.

A plane load of illegals land in our airport after hours so nobody would know what underhanded crap our government is up to. I heard it was happening but now it is in my backyard. I will be on the phone to my representatives and I want to hear them lie to my face about it.

 

[Luce]

Finally, the actual operative law. You have to parse out this portion, physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States.

The law requires that an asylum seeker set foot on US soil. Arriving at the border does not satisfy the law.

The Trump administration enforced that reading with the help of the Mexican government, building a human wall paid for by Mexico. The Biden administration, without diplomatic notice to our ally, stopped the practice, allowing tens of thousands to cross. The humanitarian crisis continues, though MSM sources are not reporting it.

Setting one foot across the border, anywhere, satisfies the law.

 

[Hughinn]

The big differentiator between Trumpism and Democates is morality and ethics. Respect and order to ensure the greater good. Education to advance the country not ignorance to retain power.

We all know which side each fall on.

Funny you say that.
You've got to wonder what kind of morality it takes to instigate the most destructive riots in 50 years based on lies, or to openly amd knowingly misstate the details of a tragic shooting in an American small town in order to instigate political violence that would lead to the deaths of American citizens.

Like when democrat party mayor's and governors allowed mobs to destroy livelihoods of thier own citizens when they refused to put down violent riots. Of when kamala harris told Jakob Blake she was proud of him, or when joe biden called a high school kid names to instigate violence.

Is that morality, your beloved democrat party leadership has that you so adore?

Tell me again the difference. And please tell us all about those morality and ethics your praising then explain how exploiting ignorance to retain power works.

 

[Hughinn]

The big differentiator between Trumpism and Democates is morality and ethics. Respect and order to ensure the greater good. Education to advance the country not ignorance to retain power.

We all know which side each fall on.

The people who supported Trump did so because he tried his best to fix the real problems we have in our country today. He was not a 2 faced lying party puppet who say one thing and do something else or nothing. I think the people who are not wearing party blinders and do not have the media's hook set so deep in their mouth could see that. I loved the fact he tweeted every day letting anyone who cared to listen know what his intentions were. Not this covered up, underhanded, sneaky, lying, PC, snow job crap we are getting from Biden.

A plane load of illegals land in our airport after hours so nobody would know what underhanded crap our government is up to. I heard it was happening but now it is in my backyard. I will be on the phone to my representatives and I want to hear them lie to my face about it.

@PIPEWRENCH it's called "morality and ethics" according to @noonereal.

You just gotta ask yourself why it's so much more moral to dump the in your backyard, than in theirs?