I think Democrats largely misunderstand trump's support

[tres borrachos]

Lol, he only beat Trump, because of the plethora of false narratives and outright lies spouted by the left and msm......Propaganda won in America, and you should be proud.

I am proud. I was one of 81 million smart people who rejected that fraud named Trump.

 

[gino]

I support Trump because he is the "go to hell" vote. He is a political outsider, not liked by either side of the swamp. Of course we see his screw ups. However, to get to say to hell with the establishment is worth it.

 

[Buckeyes85]

I support Trump because he is the "go to hell" vote. He is a political outsider, not liked by either side of the swamp. Of course we see his screw ups. However, to get to say to hell with the establishment is worth it.

My apologies but that is one of the silliest, 4th grade like mentalities.
Taking a devil may care attitude while being wrong about most everything is absolutely nothing to brag about.
Any idiot can be wrong most of the time and not care.

 

[Michael Cole]

I support Trump because he is the "go to hell" vote. He is a political outsider, not liked by either side of the swamp. Of course we see his screw ups. However, to get to say to hell with the establishment is worth it.

Dumb move. Kinda like this bimbo:

[VIDEO] Triggered Female Driver Flips Off Trump Supporters - Then Plows Into the Car in Front of Her

This has gotta be the pinnacle of Trump derangement syndrome folks.

waynedupree.com

 

[Cardinal]

As different as different can be. And sometimes, even a change for the WORSE is better than no change at all.

This only works if you have a cogent long term plan for how the worse option is better than no change. And I would challenge the premise of that anyway. If your long term plan contains a cogent path to success, then by definition it’s not “worse” but “better.”

In this case, “worse” just meant...”worse.” And that’s because there was no thought put into how shaking up the system would result in a better one.

I will add, though, that there are multiple pockets, factions, of Trump supporters. For instance, groups like the proud boys, or the "alt right"...people for whom racism is a motivating factor. And in that way, I think that Trump held up the mirror to us all, and in so doing, saved us. Now we KNOW. We don't suspect, we KNOW. That racism is alive and well. That's it's still being passed from one generation to the next.

And we now know that for a decent segment of the population, politics matters more than life itself. 800K dead and counting, and still...mask mandate = tyranny.

It’s mostly political for sure, and all the data points to anti-vaxxerism being propelled by Trump-voting counties. There’s also something else going on which is even more disturbing, which is anti-vaxxerism being an identity. We have a member of our extended family who was “vaccine-hesitant.” We believed (past tense — that’s called foreshadowing) that he was simply waiting for the FDA go-ahead. Nope! That didn’t change his stance one little bit. So then we tried accommodating him for Christmas: just get a test before the gathering so we know we’re not throwing grandma to the wolves. Nope! He feels “singled out.” This was a new level of intransigence we didn’t see coming. And believe me when I say that my wife, who created that rule, delivered it in the nicest and least judgy way possible. This means that anti-vaxxerism runs far deeper than we thought. That’s also demonstrated by how trump was booed when he told a crowd that he got the booster shot. We’re in Northern Ireland in the eighties shit here.

 

[gino]

My vote for Trump was like a vote for the Liberation candidate. Usually it doesn't work, but it counts as an FU to the establishment on both sides.

But this time, we actually won! Very rare, but we actually got a president who wasn't a part of the swamp.

Many of you would say that I screwed up by voting in such a jerk as president. I say that Trump didn't do any more damage to our country than Hilary Clinton would have, and maybe a lot less. Many of you are believing the propaganda put out by the swamp about Trump. He was not nearly as bad of a president as he is portrayed in the MSM. Never have we had a president who was being attacked from all sides like we did with Trump. Now, is Trump a jerk? Yes. But he wasn't any worse than any other president in modern times.

 

[redbeer]

LOL, nothing sweeter than the sobbing of a trump supporter about bigfoot and other conspiracies

You picked a loser

Supposing Joe Biden is a winner.....now that's funny.....

 

[redbeer]

I am proud. I was one of 81 million smart people who rejected that fraud named Trump.

Lol, damn shame.....it's not that you "voted" FOR Biden, it's that you "voted" against Trump.....now, look what we got, lol, thousand fold worse than Trump.....

 

[Nickyjo]

Here is a list of Trumps actions towards fighting the Covid virus.....if you listen to democrats or the msm, none of this occurred....they lie:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...-trump-to-fight-virus-bolster-economy[/QUOTE]

A couple from the article which contrasts the Biden administration:

• The United States reached mutual agreements with Mexico and Canada to restrict non-essential travel across our northern and southern borders.
• The administration announced it will expeditiously return aliens who cross between ports of entry or are otherwise not allowed to enter the country, as the facilities in which these aliens would be held cannot support quarantine for the time needed to assess potential cases.

What a difference a president makes, for ole Joe does the exact opposite, criminal in behavior and derelict in duty, the things going on the southern border..../URL]

A couple from the article which contrasts the Biden administration:

• The United States reached mutual agreements with Mexico and Canada to restrict non-essential travel across our northern and southern borders.
• The administration announced it will expeditiously return aliens who cross between ports of entry or are otherwise not allowed to enter the country, as the facilities in which these aliens would be held cannot support quarantine for the time needed to assess potential cases.

What a difference a president makes, for ole Joe does the exact opposite, criminal in behavior and derelict in duty, the things going on the southern border....

Gee, a Washington Examiner opinion piece. I repeat, Trump ignored law and treaty with respect to asylum seekers. He said quite openly that the virus would disappear. Had he acted on the virus as Giuliani or W did post 9/11, he’d still be president. He blew it.

 

[Craig234]

I support Trump because he is the "go to hell" vote. He is a political outsider, not liked by either side of the swamp. Of course we see his screw ups. However, to get to say to hell with the establishment is worth it.

I'd say this post pretty much is an exact match to the point of the OP.

 

[Big Brother]

My vote for Trump was like a vote for the Liberation candidate. Usually it doesn't work, but it counts as an FU to the establishment on both sides.

But this time, we actually won! Very rare, but we actually got a president who wasn't a part of the swamp.

Many of you would say that I screwed up by voting in such a jerk as president. I say that Trump didn't do any more damage to our country than Hilary Clinton would have, and maybe a lot less. Many of you are believing the propaganda put out by the swamp about Trump. He was not nearly as bad of a president as he is portrayed in the MSM. Never have we had a president who was being attacked from all sides like we did with Trump. Now, is Trump a jerk? Yes. But he wasn't any worse than any other president in modern times.

Everyone saw Hillary as the ultimate swamp queen, and Trump was viewed as the exact opposite. The 2016 vote was really a choice between expanding the swamp or draining the swamp and start anew. It had nothing to do with Trump's personality. To the surprise of everyone, especially the swamp, the american people were fed up with swampy politics and voted against it by putting Trump in the WH. That was such a huge blow to the swamp that they had to pull out all the stops and do everything possible to discredit the anti-swamp president. The biggest play they had was to use mainstream media to brainwash legions of people to become anti-Trumpers and this continues til today. What was Trump's biggest failure? He didn't start draining the swamp, and that was his only mandate. All he did was bicker with the swamp, the swamp won, and it cost him 2020. Joe Biden is the ultimate swamp king and his declining popularity reflects this, as the need to drain the swamp and reign in the federal government is still a big factor for the american voter. If one peels away all the emotional BS now tied in with politics, the only real choice one must make is "Do I support expanding the swamp or not?"

 

[Big Brother]

I'd say this post pretty much is an exact match to the point of the OP.

There wasn't much of a point to the OP, but all I can add is that people have turned politics into a battleground to be won at all costs instead of be debated by trying to understand all sides, not just left and right, and reach to conclusions and compromises that best serve the entire country. This does not happen anymore as both dominant sides now must win every single battle even if it costs them the war. Politicians and the voters that support them have lost the ability to be rational and be able to understand opposing viewpoints. Joe Manchin is an example of a politician who still does and notice how he is being demonized by his own party. Moreover, this is exactly the problem everyone here faces. They are not at all capable of understanding that others may have opposing viewpoints and may even be right. This forum is just a continuation of the political battleground that must be won at all costs instead of being an instrument to create better understanding and solutions that benefit everyone, not just a particular political faction. Let me be the first to admit a few things. Conservatives are not always right on many issues. Liberals are not always right on many issues. Progressives are not always right on many issues, and so on. But between all the ideas presented by all the factions, maybe there is a really good compromise, but that would require all factions to bend and compromise, which is impossible in today's political climate. We all need to lose the "I am right and you are wrong" attitude and start being a little more rational.

 

[redbeer]

Gee, a Washington Examiner opinion piece. I repeat, Trump ignored law and treaty with respect to asylum seekers. He said quite openly that the virus would disappear. Had he acted on the virus as Giuliani or W did post 9/11, he’d still be president. He blew it.

Lol, probably in your mind, Biden is doing a superb job with the Covid virus.....rofl.

 

[Craig234]

There wasn't much of a point to the OP

Then you missed it, like I missed the rest of your post.

 

[Craig234]

Everyone saw Hillary as the ultimate swamp queen, and Trump was viewed as the exact opposite.

By the fools and suckers. trump saying drain the swamp was like Hitler saying "Save the Jews!"

 

[NatMorton]

As a conservative I think I can speak to this more clearly than the OP. What drove many to Trump in 2016 was (and remains somewhat true today) more a reaction against the Democrats and less about positive feelings toward Trump. The left's intolerant idiocy on so many social and economic matters is what made Trump possible.

 

[Jay59]

My apologies but that is one of the silliest, 4th grade like mentalities.
Taking a devil may care attitude while being wrong about most everything is absolutely nothing to brag about.
Any idiot can be wrong most of the time and not care.

Michael Cole has one to top that.

Dumb move. Kinda like this bimbo:

[VIDEO] Triggered Female Driver Flips Off Trump Supporters - Then Plows Into the Car in Front of Her

This has gotta be the pinnacle of Trump derangement syndrome folks.

waynedupree.com

Trump haters. It's a cult.

Gee, a Washington Examiner opinion piece. I repeat, Trump ignored law and treaty with respect to asylum seekers. He said quite openly that the virus would disappear. Had he acted on the virus as Giuliani or W did post 9/11, he’d still be president. He blew it.

So, your facts only come from approved sites. Good to know.

By the fools and suckers. trump saying drain the swamp was like Hitler saying "Save the Jews!"

Pretty much the opposite.

 

[gino]

I think one point needs to be made here. What happened with the Trump presidency was planned by the swamp. Driving a wedge between the Democrats and Republicans is a means of control. By making our politics as decisive as possible, we are divided as to doing anything, and that makes us more controllable. "Divide and Conquer" has long been a leadership tactic. I have long felt that the problems between blacks and whites in America was a planned thing to keep us all off base. Seems that the swamp can control the masses better if we are at each other's throats.

Let's face it. A poor white guy and a poor black guy are not natural political enemies. They should be working together with their vote. The fact that they are not is a sign that we are all being played.

 

[Nickyjo]

Michael Cole has one to top that.


Trump haters. It's a cult.


So, your facts only come from approved sites. Good to know.


Pretty much the opposite.

No, that was an opinion piece from a conservative newspaper that was one sided, didn’t mention Lysol, the pandemic “disappearing by Easter,” and Trump not wanting to have the number of cases increased by a cruise ship landing. And of course I believe your comments on the border didn’t touch on laws and treaties that govern asylum seekers.

 

[Jay59]

No, that was an opinion piece from a conservative newspaper that was one sided, didn’t mention Lysol, the pandemic “disappearing by Easter,” and Trump not wanting to have the number of cases increased by a cruise ship landing.

As I said, you only allow facts from approved sites.

And of course I believe your comments on the border didn’t touch on laws and treaties that govern asylum seekers.

Then you believe incorrectly.

It took years of work, much of it undoing rules and procedures that had grown up, but the law allowed control of the situation. Very helpful in this was the Mexican government, who provided military manpower at no cost to us. Naturally, the Biden administration threw out the work, and the Mexican government's help, literally on the first day. The catastrophic results of this change you don't see, because they are not reported in your approved sources.

Facts are stubborn. They remain facts no matter who has them.

 

[Nickyjo]

As I said, you only allow facts from approved sites.


Then you believe incorrectly.

It took years of work, much of it undoing rules and procedures that had grown up, but the law allowed control of the situation. Very helpful in this was the Mexican government, who provided military manpower at no cost to us. Naturally, the Biden administration threw out the work, and the Mexican government's help, literally on the first day. The catastrophic results of this change you don't see, because they are not reported in your approved sources.

Facts are stubborn. They remain facts no matter who has them.

And the site you referred me to is biased, as they failed to report on Trump’s errors and apparent indifference to the pandemic.

As to the border, you are not alone in that I have seen little or no reference to the laws and treaties that bind US action in news accounts and commentary. Biden is moving towards adhering to the legislation that Trump ignored or scorned. In cases like this, the US could set up camps on the border and provide the staffing necessary to screen asylum applicants, as is done in other places in the world when there is large scale migration. That was not Trump’s plan, nor it seems Biden’s, but Biden’s is closer to legality.

 

[Craig234]

I think one point needs to be made here. What happened with the Trump presidency was planned by the swamp. Driving a wedge between the Democrats and Republicans is a means of control. By making our politics as decisive as possible, we are divided as to doing anything, and that makes us more controllable. "Divide and Conquer" has long been a leadership tactic. I have long felt that the problems between blacks and whites in America was a planned thing to keep us all off base. Seems that the swamp can control the masses better if we are at each other's throats.

Let's face it. A poor white guy and a poor black guy are not natural political enemies. They should be working together with their vote. The fact that they are not is a sign that we are all being played.

It's remarkable how you mix such correct points about some things like divide and conquer with delusions about trump not being as bad as it gets for the corruption. It would be like saying how horrible German 1940's persecution of Jews was and how Hitler was the guy trying to stop it but thwarted by the evil Nazis. It suggests rather extraordinary con man talent by trump how many fall for his utterly perverse lies. There's a desperate desire for a populist it seems, so much that a trojan horse like trump is accepted at face value, like people who have badly wanted a big wooden horse for a long time not able to consider when one is sent to them it might have enemy soldiers in it. The loyalty the con man gets is huge and misplaced. Think about the difference between how Germans viewed Hitler before and after. He was the great hope of the nation for years, so much they wanted him to get dictatorial powers. How did that go?

 

[gino]

..... with delusions about trump not being as bad as it gets for the corruption....

I guess I just don't have a rose-colored view of the other side. Do you really think that Hillary Clinton would have been any better than Trump? Do you really think that our current president and vice president are more competent than Trump?

Stop drinking the Kool-Aid. Both sides are the flip sides of the same coin. I have admitted that Trump had his flaws, but you have refused to admit that the Democrats are just as bad.

 

[Craig234]

I guess I just don't have a rose-colored view of the other side. Do you really think that Hillary Clinton would have been any better than Trump? Do you really think that our current president and vice president are more competent than Trump?

Stop drinking the Kool-Aid. Both sides are the flip sides of the same coin. I have admitted that Trump had his flaws, but you have refused to admit that the Democrats are just as bad.

President Biden is more competent than trump like Dr. Fauci is a more competent doctor than Tucker Carlson. To even ask the question shows the delusion I spoke of. I will give you an irony of the day award for mentioning kool-aid.

I gave you the courtesy of pointing out that you got some things right. I'm not going "admit" Democrats are "just as bad" any more than I'm going "admit" that President Biden is just as bad as Kim Jong-Un, because it's false. Let's face it, since you have drunk the kool-aid, there's not going to be any agreement on what we disagree on. But I commented on the views you expressed. They are notable. Maybe years from now you will see it differently.

 

[Nickyjo]

I guess I just don't have a rose-colored view of the other side. Do you really think that Hillary Clinton would have been any better than Trump? Do you really think that our current president and vice president are more competent than Trump?

Stop drinking the Kool-Aid. Both sides are the flip sides of the same coin. I have admitted that Trump had his flaws, but you have refused to admit that the Democrats are just as bad.

Your comment is valid, as both parties have issues. What is different is Trump. He breaks the “both sides” mold. Both parties fought hard over the 2000 election. When it was ended, Gore conceded. He even poked fun at himself on SNL. Can you imagine Trump conceding anything? 2020? 2016? The Emmys? He can’t accept that he can ever lose legitimately.