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I refuse to vote for Mitt Romney

Republican and conservative are no longer one in the same.
I seem to recall Conservatives declaring victory after taking the House in 2010. Much of it fueled by the Tea Party which is also largely Conservative. It's not unreasonable to call this House Conservative-led.
 
See that? I was right, you really don't know.

Answer: you factor in the size of the population

That just goes to show you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about or simply are here baiting. 16.8 million jobs were created from 1981-1989 after two years of initial job losses. Adjust that for inflation.
 
Conservative said:
When I was your age not once did I talk about welfare or expect you or anyone else to pay for my expenses. I further never cared about what someone else made and in fact went to college, got my degree and tried to emulate their successes. It was always my goal to take care of myself and my family. What happened to that attitude and where is it today?
People born into poor families have a significantly smaller chance of that happening. The poor tend to stay there. How would you feel if you were born into a ghetto, constantly getting the message that life is rewardless? Lately, people born into the bottom tenth percentile of society have a 22% chance of staying there (compared to 17% in Canada and even less in other countries). You cannot generalize your situation to the everyone else, because different people are put into unique situations. This is what I am talking about, and what you were talking about in another thread. Equality of opportunity, which has been diminishing over the past few years.
 
That just goes to show you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about or simply are here baiting. 16.8 million jobs were created from 1981-1989 after two years of initial job losses. Adjust that for inflation.
You can project all you want, it still won't help you as you continue to rely on nominal figures which mean absolutely nothing when comparing them.

 
People born into poor families have a significantly smaller chance of that happening. The poor tend to stay there. How would you feel if you were born into a ghetto, constantly getting the message that life is rewardless? Lately, people born into the bottom tenth percentile of society have a 22% chance of staying there (compared to 17% in Canada and even less in other countries). You cannot generalize your situation to the everyone else, because different people are put into unique situations. This is what I am talking about, and what you were talking about in another thread. Equality of opportunity, which has been diminishing over the past few years.

Bull****, work hard and you will be rewarded, I was. You stereotype a lot indicating youth and brainwashing. I was born poor but taught good work ethic, something lacking today.
 
You can project all you want, it still won't help you as you continue to rely on nominal figures which mean absolutely nothing when comparing them.


LOL, what do you think 16.8 million would be today adjusted for inflation?
 
Conservative said:
Bull****, work hard and you will be rewarded, I was. You stereotype a lot indicating youth and brainwashing. I was born poor but taught good work ethic, something lacking today.
Still, more generalizations. Another statistic: 2/5 of African-American children are living in poverty. Many of them will remain there. Should something be done about that? Some people do go to college, get multiple degrees in science, and end up homeless. I guess that they have a poor work ethic. You are the one stereotyping all poor people by an alleged 'bad work ethic', which is silly. 60% of poor families have at least one employed member. They stay there anyway.
 
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LOL, what do you think 16.8 million would be today adjusted for inflation?
Here, get edumicated by a Liberal yet again ...


Nominal numbers (sometimes called categorical numbers) are numerals used for identification only. The numerical value is irrelevant, and they do not indicate quantity, rank, or any other measurement.


Now ya know. Will you learn? No. But now ya know.
 
Still, more generalizations. Another statistic: 2/5 of African-American children are living in poverty. Many of them will remain there. Should something be done about that?

What do you propose? Amazing isn't it, first African American President and unemployment rate is 15.5%
 
Here, get edumicated by a Liberal yet again ...


Nominal numbers (sometimes called categorical numbers) are numerals used for identification only. The numerical value is irrelevant, and they do not indicate quantity, rank, or any other measurement.


Now ya know. Will you learn? No. But now ya know.

So what would 16.8 million be valued in today's numbers.
 
Conservative said:
Amazing isn't it, first African American President and unemployment rate is 15.5%
What's that supposed to mean? Which unemployment rate?
 
Businesses are raking in record profits because their payrolls are low and they are doing with less, something liberals don't understand. You seem to think that private business owes you a job. My has the education system in this country changed.

Yeah, no kidding, and they are being stupidly shortsighted as business so often is. Hence the need for a stronger labor movement. You seem to think that businesses have no responsiblity for their own employees, which probably explains why your employer showed you the door.
 
Yeah, no kidding, and they are being stupidly shortsighted as business so often is. Hence the need for a stronger labor movement. You seem to think that businesses have no responsiblity for their own employees, which probably explains why your employer showed you the door.

I worked for 35 years on a one year contract. "showed me the door?" LOL, project much
 
I answered your question and you have yet to answer mine. How does someone else's income affect you and your ability to reach a higher income level?

You are lying, and unable to back up your claim. Duly noted.

I told you before: "When the rich outsource jobs and lower wages and benefits to American workers to increase their bottom line, and get lower tax rates for doing so, that hurts the middle class."

Rich outsourcing jobs? How many jobs have been outsourced in a labor force of 154 million?


"Forrester Research, Inc. was the source of perhaps the first and most commonly cited statistics on
offshoring. According to its forecast that appears to have been based on discussions with experts,
a total of 3.4 million service sector jobs might move abroad by 2015.27 As shown in Table 1,
Forrester projected in 2004 that a total of 1.2 million services jobs might be relocated offshore
between 2003 and 2008. Of this five-year total, computer occupations might represent one of
every five offshored positions. Beyond 2008, Forrester did not provide data in one-year intervals.
It did forecast that by 2010 a total of 1.7 million jobs might have gone offshore, for a two-year
increase of one-half million. Adding to that Forrester’s projected transfer over the next five years
of another 1.7 million jobs, a grand total of 3.4 million jobs might move offshore by 2015.
However, Bhagwati et al point out that Forrester’s forecasted loss of some 300,000 jobs per year
on average represents a very small share of the jobs typically created and destroyed each year in
the United States."

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:6BN7457u2H8J:forbes.house.gov/UploadedFiles/CRS_-_Offshoring_and_Job_Loss_Among_U_S__Workers.pdf+US+jobs+outsourced+since+1980&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESiRFvMSNEtDUSj2WpIAQlc9m5ixn8oD-OyXc1foXDFxhdmXShqzntSYNamKtCzn8RwL_kX2loBYlzfB-Tnuj0gpzO2gadcqcph5SwLw5mcPCWWWPsLkO7yo9EtS126rIwdZOaUj&sig=AHIEtbS-a5BO0r4heDj6SfAwxYvEryhQ_Q
 
You are lying, and unable to back up your claim. Duly noted.

I told you before: "When the rich outsource jobs and lower wages and benefits to American workers to increase their bottom line, and get lower tax rates for doing so, that hurts the middle class."




"Forrester Research, Inc. was the source of perhaps the first and most commonly cited statistics on
offshoring. According to its forecast that appears to have been based on discussions with experts,
a total of 3.4 million service sector jobs might move abroad by 2015.27 As shown in Table 1,
Forrester projected in 2004 that a total of 1.2 million services jobs might be relocated offshore
between 2003 and 2008. Of this five-year total, computer occupations might represent one of
every five offshored positions. Beyond 2008, Forrester did not provide data in one-year intervals.
It did forecast that by 2010 a total of 1.7 million jobs might have gone offshore, for a two-year
increase of one-half million. Adding to that Forrester’s projected transfer over the next five years
of another 1.7 million jobs, a grand total of 3.4 million jobs might move offshore by 2015.
However, Bhagwati et al point out that Forrester’s forecasted loss of some 300,000 jobs per year
on average represents a very small share of the jobs typically created and destroyed each year in
the United States."

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:6BN7457u2H8J:forbes.house.gov/UploadedFiles/CRS_-_Offshoring_and_Job_Loss_Among_U_S__Workers.pdf+US+jobs+outsourced+since+1980&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESiRFvMSNEtDUSj2WpIAQlc9m5ixn8oD-OyXc1foXDFxhdmXShqzntSYNamKtCzn8RwL_kX2loBYlzfB-Tnuj0gpzO2gadcqcph5SwLw5mcPCWWWPsLkO7yo9EtS126rIwdZOaUj&sig=AHIEtbS-a5BO0r4heDj6SfAwxYvEryhQ_Q

Class warfare, class envy, jealousy, NOTED
 
Yeah, no kidding, and they are being stupidly shortsighted as business so often is. Hence the need for a stronger labor movement. You seem to think that businesses have no responsiblity for their own employees, which probably explains why your employer showed you the door.

I find it quite interesting all these intellectual liberal elites here so educated and experienced in the business world actually never owning or running a business. Wonder why? Just think, in this country you could start your own business and then be told by someone else what to pay them, what benefits to offer, what taxes you have to put aside for them, and you get to be the last one paid for that opportunity.
 
I find it quite interesting all these intellectual liberal elites here so educated and experienced in the business world actually never owning or running a business. Wonder why? Just think, in this country you could start your own business and then be told by someone else what to pay them, what benefits to offer, what taxes you have to put aside for them, and you get to be the last one paid for that opportunity.

You live in a fantasy world, Con. I've been self employed for a decade.
 
Class warfare, class envy, jealousy, NOTED

I'll pass your GOP platform on the the middle class voters - "**** you, vote for me in November."
 
What do you propose? Amazing isn't it, first African American President and unemployment rate is 15.5%
Not amazing considering he was handed an unemployment rate of 14% with the worst recession since the Great Depression.

Hell, unemployment is up just 1.5 points under Obama. Under Bush after 34 months in office, Unemployment was up 2.8 points under Bush. In fact, unemployment increased more under almost every single Republican president than Obama...





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[TR="bgcolor:red"] [TD="width:150"]Bush[/TD][TD="align:right"] +2.8 [/TD][/TR]

[TR="bgcolor:red"] [TD] Nixon [/TD][TD="align:right"] +2.6 [/TD][/TR]

[TR="bgcolor:red"] [TD] Ford* [/TD][TD="align:right"] +2.0 [/TD][/TR]

[TR="bgcolor:red"] [TD] GHW Bush [/TD][TD="align:right"] +1.6 [/TD][/TR]

[TR="bgcolor:blue"][TD] Obama [/TD][TD="align:right"] +1.5 [/TD][/TR]


[TR="bgcolor:red"] [TD] Eisenhower [/TD][TD="align:right"] +1.3 [/TD][/TR]
[TR="bgcolor:red"] [TD] Reagan [/TD][TD="align:right"] +1.0 [/TD][/TR]


[TR="bgcolor:blue"][TD] Kennedy [/TD][TD="align:right"] -1.2 [/TD][/TR]
[TR="bgcolor:blue"][TD] Carter [/TD][TD="align:right"] -1.6 [/TD][/TR]

[TR="bgcolor:blue"][TD] Clinton [/TD][TD="align:right"] -1.7 [/TD][/TR]

[TR="bgcolor:blue"][TD] Johnson [/TD][TD="align:right"] -2.0 [/TD][/TR]

[/TABLE]

* = Ford was in office 29 months


http://data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutputServlet?series_id=LNS14000000
 
I'll pass your GOP platform on the the middle class voters - "**** you, vote for me in November."

LOL, although you won't be doing that since you believe the Obama rhetoric even though he has been in office three years, Democrats controlled the Congress from 2007-2011 and the wage gap, unemployment, labor force, poverty numbers are worse. Keep buying the Obama rhetoric.
 
Not amazing considering he was handed an unemployment rate of 14% with the worst recession since the Great Depression.

Hell, unemployment is up just 1.5 points under Obama. Under Bush after 34 months in office, Unemployment was up 2.8 points under Bush. In fact, unemployment increased more under almost every single Republican president than Obama...





[TABLE="class:data1"]

[TR="bgcolor:red"] [TD="width:150"]Bush[/TD][TD="align:right"] +2.8 [/TD][/TR]

[TR="bgcolor:red"] [TD] Nixon [/TD][TD="align:right"] +2.6 [/TD][/TR]

[TR="bgcolor:red"] [TD] Ford* [/TD][TD="align:right"] +2.0 [/TD][/TR]

[TR="bgcolor:red"] [TD] GHW Bush [/TD][TD="align:right"] +1.6 [/TD][/TR]

[TR="bgcolor:blue"][TD] Obama [/TD][TD="align:right"] +1.5 [/TD][/TR]


[TR="bgcolor:red"] [TD] Eisenhower [/TD][TD="align:right"] +1.3 [/TD][/TR]
[TR="bgcolor:red"] [TD] Reagan [/TD][TD="align:right"] +1.0 [/TD][/TR]


[TR="bgcolor:blue"][TD] Kennedy [/TD][TD="align:right"] -1.2 [/TD][/TR]
[TR="bgcolor:blue"][TD] Carter [/TD][TD="align:right"] -1.6 [/TD][/TR]

[TR="bgcolor:blue"][TD] Clinton [/TD][TD="align:right"] -1.7 [/TD][/TR]

[TR="bgcolor:blue"][TD] Johnson [/TD][TD="align:right"] -2.0 [/TD][/TR]

[/TABLE]

* = Ford was in office 29 months


Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

Amazing isn't it what numbers you can get with 1.1 million discouraged workers not counted as unemployed in November 2011 and 315,000 dropping out of the labor force
 
Conservative said:
Democrats controlled the Congress from 2007-2011...
Not in the House, where they would face partisan Republican opposition. You know how a bill is passed, don't you?
 
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