I Need A Republican To Tell Me Which Of These Statements About Jan 6 Are True...

[Bullseye]

Ah yes when all else fails describe another Conspiracy Theory. I actually think that for you the word "Conspiracy" is simply a word that sometimes appears before the word "Theory" to make the term Conspiracy Theory.

No matter what you say, you don't appear to understand the concept of a conspiracy whether a Seditious Conspiracy or a Criminal Conspiracy or any other type of Conspiracy.

Yet another waste of time and keystrokes.

Yeah, I'll never get back the 30 seconds I wasted readying this post.

 

[jnug]

Yeah, I'll never get back the 30 seconds I wasted readying this post.

Actually you have managed another Qanon favorite. its a yet another Conspiracy Theory of the DEEEEEEP STAAAAATE.

I do actually think there were those that got to the Capitol and just could not help themselves. These are the folks we saw just wandering through the halls of Congress carried along by their own curiosity and by the event itself.

So IMO we have three separate groups that participated in what happened at the Capitol remembering that what happened at the Capitol or the Ellipse is not nearly the whole story:
- There were those actively engaged in Seditious Conspiracy. These would be the violent groups like the Oath Keepers, dressed in fatigues, wearing battle armor and equipped with two-way radios progressing in military stack formation up the steps of the Capitol. They were neither incited at the Ellipse nor did they get to the Capitol and just could not help themselves. They went to the Capitol with a specific intent to take hostages, hold the building and take the ballot boxes. It is certainly likely that the first breach of the barricades were made by components of this group
- there were those that were incited to violence at the Capitol....violent pawns incited to their violence at the Ellipse
- finally those described above that we saw just wandering through the Capitol

 

[Bullseye]

Actually you have managed another Qanon favorite. its a yet another Conspiracy Theory of the DEEEEEEP STAAAAATE.

Nah, actually I managed to hook a gullet. Your chain had been officially yanked.

I do actually think there were those that got to the Capitol and just could not help themselves. These are the folks we saw just wandering through the halls of Congress carried along by their own curiosity and by the event itself.

Some were let in by Capitol Police. There are photos and videos of them acting like tour guides.

So IMO we have three separate groups that participated in what happened at the Capitol remembering that what happened at the Capitol or the Ellipse is not nearly the whole story:
- There were those actively engaged in Seditious Conspiracy. These would be the violent groups like the Oath Keepers, dressed in fatigues, wearing battle armor and equipped with two-way radios progressing in military stack formation up the steps of the Capitol. They were neither incited at the Ellipse nor did they get to the Capitol and just could not help themselves. They went to the Capitol with a specific intent to take hostages, hold the building and take the ballot boxes. It is certainly likely that the first breach of the barricades were made by components of this group
- there were those that were incited to violence at the Capitol....violent pawns incited to their violence at the Ellipse
- finally those described above that we saw just wandering through the Capitol

You might be on to something although "Seditious" is a misnomer for a group that was poorly armed at best and mostly with ad hoc items. You don't plan a seditious assuming useful weapons will be avail at the site.

I've seen no evidence of any incitement at the Ellipse. Even assuming ubiquitous radios. It seems like there would be video of those Ellipse Inciters but I haven't seen any.

 

[jnug]

Nah, actually I managed to hook a gullet. Your chain had been officially yanked.

So you are just playing Oh goody....

Some were let in by Capitol Police. There are photos and videos of them acting like tour guides.

So what

You might be on to something although "Seditious" is a misnomer for a group that was poorly armed at best and mostly with ad hoc items. You don't plan a seditious assuming useful weapons will be avail at the site.

You should not use big words you don't understand...like sedition or seditious or conspiracy

I've seen no evidence of any incitement at the Ellipse. Even assuming ubiquitous radios. It seems like there would be video of those Ellipse Inciters but I haven't seen any.

Don Jrs address, Rudy's address, Eastman's address, Mo Brooks address (given wearing a bullet proof vest) Trump's address

You are just trolling again. Amazing how piss poor and unserious the arguments have been from the end of the political dialog at this forum that has just turned to jello since the National Archives started turning over documents to the Select Committee. The whole bunch of you and the RNC have just given up en masse, trolling endlessly, doubled up on the blinders and have decided to ban or burn dictionaries along with other books.

 

[Mustachio]

I may not be a republican, but all three of those position

I'm not particularly responding to ^ but this is the encouraged mentality for the Trump loyalists. This is correct, they're not republicans. They "live to own the libs." Therefore, overt hypocrisy is great. Libs will b so mad bcuz we'll pretend we believe it! LMAO PEPE PRAYGE!

It's the most disingenuous garbage. To intentionally bait others and pretend it's "debate" and then either "the lib coward can't even respond" or (if they respond with something like a fact) "the lib is delusional LMAO OWNED." Choose your own adventure on your journey to dismissal! "Steve Bannon had nothing to do with january 6." For anybody genuinely interested in what's happening with these alt-right fascist flame throwers here's a fantastic piece called "I spent insurrection week listening to Steve Bannon."

Ahhhhhhhh....... huh.

This steve bannon? "The Democrats don't matter. The real opposition is the media. And the way to deal with them is to flood the zone with s#!*."

And this steve bannon right? Bannon and the three other men conspired to use a non-profit group run by Bannon, and a shell company controlled by one of the other defendants, to make payments to themselves, despite promises to donors that their contributions would go to build a wall. On January 20, 2021, Trump granted Bannon a pardon from the federal charges

Oh right but it's about the 6th! Yeah. So, like, THIS Steve Bannon? The committee wants to speak to Bannon about his alleged role in a "war room" in the Willard Hotel in Washington, DC, where he reportedly boosted Trump's campaign to steal the election from Biden, and about preparations for the January 6 rally that turned into a riot. Bannon is claiming his consultations with Trump are covered by executive privilege.

It's not about January 6th, it's about a very real movement who openly advocates for eliminating democracy. Openly. Like they say it. Man I have to take a shower now. Two probably.

 

[RIP U.S. Democracy]

I'm not particularly responding to ^ but this is the encouraged mentality for the Trump loyalists. This is correct, they're not republicans. They "live to own the libs." Therefore, overt hypocrisy is great. Libs will b so mad bcuz we'll pretend we believe it! LMAO PEPE PRAYGE!

It's the most disingenuous garbage. To intentionally bait others and pretend it's "debate" and then either "the lib coward can't even respond" or (if they respond with something like a fact) "the lib is delusional LMAO OWNED." Choose your own adventure on your journey to dismissal! "Steve Bannon had nothing to do with january 6." For anybody genuinely interested in what's happening with these alt-right fascist flame throwers here's a fantastic piece called "I spent insurrection week listening to Steve Bannon."

Ahhhhhhhh....... huh.

This steve bannon? "The Democrats don't matter. The real opposition is the media. And the way to deal with them is to flood the zone with s#!*."

And this steve bannon right? Bannon and the three other men conspired to use a non-profit group run by Bannon, and a shell company controlled by one of the other defendants, to make payments to themselves, despite promises to donors that their contributions would go to build a wall. On January 20, 2021, Trump granted Bannon a pardon from the federal charges

Oh right but it's about the 6th! Yeah. So, like, THIS Steve Bannon? The committee wants to speak to Bannon about his alleged role in a "war room" in the Willard Hotel in Washington, DC, where he reportedly boosted Trump's campaign to steal the election from Biden, and about preparations for the January 6 rally that turned into a riot. Bannon is claiming his consultations with Trump are covered by executive privilege.

It's not about January 6th, it's about a very real movement who openly advocates for eliminating democracy. Openly. Like they say it. Man I have to take a shower now. Two probably.

Very well said.

 

[jnug]

I just saw Bannon again acusing Pence's aides of ratting out Trump to the Select Committee. Earth to Bannon, when you rat somebody out you are exposing their involvement in a crime.

Bannon who fancies himself a genius never was the sharpest tool in the shed. But of course the ghoulish base loves him.

 

[jnug]

I'm not particularly responding to ^ but this is the encouraged mentality for the Trump loyalists. This is correct, they're not republicans. They "live to own the libs." Therefore, overt hypocrisy is great. Libs will b so mad bcuz we'll pretend we believe it! LMAO PEPE PRAYGE!

It's the most disingenuous garbage. To intentionally bait others and pretend it's "debate" and then either "the lib coward can't even respond" or (if they respond with something like a fact) "the lib is delusional LMAO OWNED." Choose your own adventure on your journey to dismissal! "Steve Bannon had nothing to do with january 6." For anybody genuinely interested in what's happening with these alt-right fascist flame throwers here's a fantastic piece called "I spent insurrection week listening to Steve Bannon."

Ahhhhhhhh....... huh.

This steve bannon? "The Democrats don't matter. The real opposition is the media. And the way to deal with them is to flood the zone with s#!*."

And this steve bannon right? Bannon and the three other men conspired to use a non-profit group run by Bannon, and a shell company controlled by one of the other defendants, to make payments to themselves, despite promises to donors that their contributions would go to build a wall. On January 20, 2021, Trump granted Bannon a pardon from the federal charges

Oh right but it's about the 6th! Yeah. So, like, THIS Steve Bannon? The committee wants to speak to Bannon about his alleged role in a "war room" in the Willard Hotel in Washington, DC, where he reportedly boosted Trump's campaign to steal the election from Biden, and about preparations for the January 6 rally that turned into a riot. Bannon is claiming his consultations with Trump are covered by executive privilege.

It's not about January 6th, it's about a very real movement who openly advocates for eliminating democracy. Openly. Like they say it. Man I have to take a shower now. Two probably.

In the context of a forum like this one what they resort to is called TROLLING. They are currently incapable of serious discussion. They are both unfunny and unserious and proud of it.

 

[Bullseye]

So you are just playing Oh goody....

This IS recreational.

So what

Capitol Cops have radios too. Think about it.

You should not use big words you don't understand...like sedition or seditious or conspiracy

You should talk.

Don Jrs address, Rudy's address, Eastman's address, Mo Brooks address (given wearing a bullet proof vest) Trump's address

Are you serious? Can you quote where they said "go invade the Capitol?

You are just trolling again.mazing how piss poor and unserious the arguments have been from the end of the political dialog at this forum that has just turned to jello since the National Archives started turning over documents to the Select Committee. The whole bunch of you and the RNC have just given up en masse, trolling endlessly, doubled up on the blinders and have decided to ban or burn dictionaries along with other books.

""Yeah, we heard this "Just you wait, evidence will turn up" mantra during Mueller's fiasco, too. Wishful thinking ain't gonna help.

 

[RIP U.S. Democracy]

Are you serious? Can you quote where they said "go invade the Capitol?

You think it's "legitimate political discourse", just like the RNC. Shameful.

 

[Bullseye]

You think it's "legitimate political discourse", just like the RNC. Shameful.

We've been through this before; no I don't think the violence or invasion of the Capitol was "legitimate political discourse" but the speeches give a mile away WERE.

 

[jnug]

This IS recreational.

You fancy yourself the forum Tucker Carlson?

Capitol Cops have radios too. Think about it.

So what. That is just about your most absurd response so far

You should talk.

Are you serious? Can you quote where they said "go invade the Capitol?

So what.....
Mo Brooks, "time for kicking ass and taking names"
Rudy calling for "trial by combat"
Trump...."you have to be willing to fight or you won't have a country"

Trump before the event coaxing people to show up "its going to be wild" Who was this guy....Captain Kangaroo or the President?

""Yeah, we heard this "Just you wait, evidence will turn up" mantra during Mueller's fiasco, too. Wishful thinking ain't gonna help.

And you are conveniently ignoring the Oath Keepers in fatigues, battle armor with radios in Military Stack formation slicing through the crowd up the Capitol steps.

 

[pocket aces]

You think it's "legitimate political discourse", just like the RNC. Shameful.

It is shameful that they ignore the two months of incitement that happened before that day.

 

[jnug]

We've been through this before; no I don't think the violence or invasion of the Capitol was "legitimate political discourse" but the speeches give a mile away WERE.

So what.....other than as it relates to hurling that crowd at the Capitol nobody cares about the speeches at the Ellipse and if that is what the RNC meant in their cockeyed resolution they should have said so in the Resolution instead of the loony effort at Clean up in Aisle STUPID.

 

[Bullseye]

You fancy yourself the forum Tucker Carlson?

Huh? I "Fancy" myself the forum Bullseye".

So what. That is just about your most absurd response so far

Yeah, because I asked for evidence rather than LW gospel.

So what.....
Mo Brooks, "time for kicking ass and taking names"
Rudy calling for "trial by combat"
Trump...."you have to be willing to fight or you won't have a country"

Trump before the event coaxing people to show up "its going to be wild" Who was this guy....Captain Kangaroo or the President?

So what.
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And you are conveniently ignoring the Oath Keepers in fatigues, battle armor with radios in Military Stack formation slicing through the crowd up the Capitol steps.

Nope, not a bit. They don't represent the thousands of peaceful people there.

 

[Bullseye]

So what.....other than as it relates to hurling that crowd at the Capitol nobody cares about the speeches at the Ellipse and if that is what the RNC meant in their cockeyed resolution they should have said so in the Resolution instead of the loony effort at Clean up in Aisle STUPID.

And yet there's no evidence that the crowd WAS hurled toward the Capital. All you guys babble is walky talkies, Proud Boys, etc.

 

[jnug]

And yet there's no evidence that the crowd WAS hurled toward the Capital. All you guys babble is walky talkies, Proud Boys, etc.

They were hurled at the Capitol. Can't help your blindness. See an eye doctor. While you are at it see an English major. While you are at it see a shrink. Hopefully you have time for all of them.

As to the oath keepers:

"Nope, not a bit. They don't represent the thousands of peaceful people there."

And who cares that the Oath Keepers don't represent the thousands of other people that a were there. That is as usual no argument at all.

You are just TROLLING endlessly.

 

[Bullseye]

They were hurled at the Capitol. Can't help your blindness. See an eye doctor. While you are at it see an English major. While you are at it see a shrink. Hopefully you have time for all of them.

BS. a few were hurled at the Capitol; the HUGE majority behaved correctly.

As to the oath keepers:


And who cares that the Oath Keepers don't represent the thousands of other people that a were there. That is as usual no argument at all.

You are just TROLLING endlessly.

When you're trying to condemn thousands of people for the actions of a few, including the Oath Keepers, they damn-sure do matter.

 

[jnug]

When you're trying to condemn thousands of people for the actions of a few, including the Oath Keepers,

You really do need the English major more than even the eye doctor or the shrink.

From my post #177:
I do actually think there were those that got to the Capitol and just could not help themselves. These are the folks we saw just wandering through the halls of Congress carried along by their own curiosity and by the event itself.

So IMO we have three separate groups that participated in what happened at the Capitol remembering that what happened at the Capitol or the Ellipse is not nearly the whole story:
- There were those actively engaged in Seditious Conspiracy. These would be the violent groups like the Oath Keepers, dressed in fatigues, wearing battle armor and equipped with two-way radios progressing in military stack formation up the steps of the Capitol. They were neither incited at the Ellipse nor did they get to the Capitol and just could not help themselves. They went to the Capitol with a specific intent to take hostages, hold the building and take the ballot boxes. It is certainly likely that the first breach of the barricades were made by components of this group
- there were those that were incited to violence at the Capitol....violent pawns incited to their violence at the Ellipse
- finally those described above that we saw just wandering through the Capitol


For your information the folks that were just wandering through the halls of Congress were "trespassing". Not much of a crime but a crime none the less.

YOU ARE JUST TROLLING and you just don't care. You have given up completely and relegated yourself to unserious posts .....TROLLING

 

[Mustachio]

Very well said.

thanks appreciated, i was hoping you in particular would read the article about bannon. I felt you expressed genuine interest in comprehending this insane mentality and that's a great article. I wish it was still the early 2000s.

 

[RIP U.S. Democracy]

thanks appreciated, i was hoping you in particular would read the article about bannon. I felt you expressed genuine interest in comprehending this insane mentality and that's a great article. I wish it was still the early 2000s.

Thank you. I'll read the article tonight.

 

[Sandy Shanks]

Trump and the Republican Party continue to be in the news. Republicans continue to avoid Trump and the Republican Party, and when it comes to January Six, they are in denial.

Although a small minority, there are some in the Republican Party who are able to recognize reality when they see it.

One such Republican is former Vice-President Mike Pence.

The Times reports, "Speaking to a gathering of conservatives near Orlando, Fla., the former vice president offered his most forceful rebuke of Donald Trump, saying that Mr. Trump is “wrong” that Mr. Pence had the legal authority to change the results of the 2020 election and that the Republican Party must accept the outcome and look toward the future."

“The truth is there’s more at stake than our party or our political fortunes. If we lose faith in the Constitution, we won’t just lose elections — we’ll lose our country. “Whatever the future holds, I know we did our duty that day. I believe the time has come to focus on the future,” Mr. Pence said.

Then there is the Trump branch of the party. This huge majority of the Republican Party consists of silent education challenged farmers and shopkeepers in the rural counties of America, and they believe anything if it is pro-Trump. They are not much interested in reality.

For example they believe this utter nonsense. Why else would the RNC say it?

As countless videos show, on January Six, Trump urged his mob to march on the capitol and stop Congress from certifying the results of the Electoral College. As we all know, it was a violent clash, and the capitol was ransacked, 140 police officers were wounded, five died, and Trump's mob shouted "Hang Mike Pence," our vice-president at the time.

Moving to the present, CNN makes this astounding report. "In a resolution formally censuring GOP Reps. Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger, the Republican National Committee on Friday described the events surrounding the January 6, 2021 insurrection in this way.

The RNC claimed that the two lawmakers were "participating in a Democrat-led persecution of ordinary citizens engaged in legitimate political discourse!"

For obvious reasons, someone decided that had to be cleaned up. Trump's faithful will believe it, but no one else, meaning anyone with a rational mind.

A statement from Chair Ronna McDaniel strained the bounds of credulity when she tried to separate Trump's mob from the violence. "They chose to join Nancy Pelosi in a Democrat-led persecution of ordinary citizens who engaged in legitimate political discourse that had nothing to do with violence at the Capitol," McDaniel said.

Who will believe that logic? Trump's devoted followers, of course. They don't know any better. Want proof? They will agree by not saying a word about the matter.

The RNC expects to win control of Congress in the November's mid-terms. Go figure.

 

[HangLow]

thanks appreciated, i was hoping you in particular would read the article about bannon.
I felt you expressed genuine interest in comprehending this insane mentality and that's a great article.
I wish it was still the early 2000s.

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[gdgyva]

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The criminal offense of contempt of Congress sets the penalty at not less than one month nor more than twelve months in jail and a fine of not more than $100,000 or less than $100.

And that is IF, the big IF, he is found guilty of said charge

Pleading the 5th and refusing to cooperate are NOT CRIMES

SO i guess we will see how all of this plays out

 

[RIP U.S. Democracy]

thanks appreciated, i was hoping you in particular would read the article about bannon. I felt you expressed genuine interest in comprehending this insane mentality and that's a great article. I wish it was still the early 2000s.

OMG!! That cheesy "Take Down The CCP" music video! How racist was that???

Tim Miller is awesome, I've see him on MSNBC many times. Very smart, very observant.

It's definitely a very disturbing article, although humorous at times because of the lunacy of the ridiculous Trumpster C-List guests on Bannon's show.

Every day on his show, Bannon is just casually talking about future coup attempts and circumventing the Electoral College Act after the 2024 election, like he's describing a routine trip to the grocery store. Hopefully, a jail cell awaits him in the near future, but there is certainly no guarantee of that.