I Need A Republican To Tell Me Which Of These Statements About Jan 6 Are True...

[gdgyva]

Do you have any thoughts on why the country is so divided right now? Do you think Trump and Trump style politics played a part? As for 1/6 what do you mean by "GOP Members?" Members of congress? Who has suggested they were "behind the attack."

Do you not understand that the committee was formed with a few major goals in mind

1. Try to damage the GOP anyway they can, and if possible connect the dots between what happened on 1/6 to top ranking officials in the GOP
2. Keep the narrative running that the GOP tried a coup....again part of #1
3, Damage Trump in any way possible (they are so afraid he will run again in 2024) which btw is NOT going to happen
4. Keep this going as long as possible, or at least September when they will issue a report hoping to turn around their poor poll showings

This is all political theatre designed to try and sway voters in the Nov 22/24 elections. The only issue is, the well is once again dry. Yes there was a riot, and those responsible need to be held liable....and there are a lot already in jail, and many more soon to join. But the big fish they hoped to land....nope.....either they never took the bait, or werent even in the same pond.

Not one large GOP member has been charged over 13 months after the fact. Either they have all pleaded the 5th, or will as the committee continues to waste time calling them for witnesses. They have no corroborating evidence tying them to the 1/6 events that is case worthy that has been anywhere near the news. And something tells me this would assuredly been leaked if it existed.

As to who has suggested they were behind the attacks.....READ THE THREADS.....pick any of probably a hundred on here

Shall i gather quotes from democrats.....are you too lazy to google yourself? read, just read

 

[Peacenik]

I was with you up until the point where you suggested his followers are realizing that he's using them.
Sadly, I don't think that's true.

I want to believe the supposed conservatives on this board are not representative of conservatives nationwide, but I'm not sure anymore.

Lindsey Graham, Mitch McConnell and Mike Pence have all split with him on The Big Lie. They wouldn't do that if they didn't think there was support for it.

 

[Peacenik]

Alex Jones, Bannon etc.

Speculation, but given that they're going after people who didn't have anything to do with the riot. They should concentrate on the groups involved.

It looks more like their only interested in throwing out some paltry reason, to keep Trump barred from running for president. Their actions are simply looking more corrupt and unconstitutional by the week, especially after they decided to leak private information.

They should go wherever the investigation leads them. If Republicans want to learn more they should talk to Liz Cheney.

 

[jnug]

Do you not understand that the committee was formed with a few major goals in mind

1. Try to damage the GOP anyway they can, and if possible connect the dots between what happened on 1/6 to top ranking officials in the GOP
2. Keep the narrative running that the GOP tried a coup....again part of #1
3, Damage Trump in any way possible (they are so afraid he will run again in 2024) which btw is NOT going to happen
4. Keep this going as long as possible, or at least September when they will issue a report hoping to turn around their poor poll showings

This is all political theatre designed to try and sway voters in the Nov 22/24 elections. The only issue is, the well is once again dry. Yes there was a riot, and those responsible need to be held liable....and there are a lot already in jail, and many more soon to join. But the big fish they hoped to land....nope.....either they never took the bait, or werent even in the same pond.

Not one large GOP member has been charged over 13 months after the fact. Either they have all pleaded the 5th, or will as the committee continues to waste time calling them for witnesses. They have no corroborating evidence tying them to the 1/6 events that is case worthy that has been anywhere near the news. And something tells me this would assuredly been leaked if it existed.

As to who has suggested they were behind the attacks.....READ THE THREADS.....pick any of probably a hundred on here

Shall i gather quotes from democrats.....are you too lazy to google yourself? read, just read

That is not the purpose of Congressional Committees. Their purpose is to ultimate suggest legislation. Now if all the bullshit you say they are about also results....TOO FUGGING BAD!

All your posts suggest is that you no longer if ever did believe in this country. SO GET THE FUGG OUT!!!!! I am sure Vlad would love to have you.

 

[The AntiDonald]

Sorry, but I don't see a contradiction in any of those 3 statements.

Trump spoke specifically about those that infiltrated the Capital and engaged in violent behavior... McDaniel was correct because there were many people who were arrested, jailed, and charged who never engaged in violence and never stepped foot inside the Capital... and Pence was correct, it was a dark day because unlike most conservative protests that are usually non-violent, this one got out of hand and some of the protestors went too far by forcing their way into the Capitol and disrupting the process.

I'm not sure what the hell your seeing that's contradictory in those statements.

There must be some good shit in your Kool Aid.

In two short sentences Trump says roughly one year apart:

Those people who attacked our capital will pay.

And then: We will pardon those who are being treated unfairly. And you don't see a contradiction? Also see McCarthy's statements. Every republican condemned the 1-6 riots a day after it happened. 99% of them are now defending it and trying to make it go away. Your party looks pretty bad.

 

[Peacenik]

No, you simply lacked the forethought to actually put that post into a reply. Which means you were trying to slip it by anyone that might be following individual post or simply responding to notifications. Which was a rather cowardly move on your part.
As to the context "proves" is a strong word.. more like helps you to allege some wrongdoing, which has still yet to actually be confirmed. So you're already grasping at some very thin straws. You would need something solid, not just allegation.

Yes, that seems like a nice excuse. And had they actually stuck to just those involved, it would've been a nice gesture.

Yes and that's why it's usually someone from the far-left cult who keeps blowing their nose all over any thread that seems to cross their path. And posters like myself keep asking for directly and legitimate discussion...

So you're already tapping out before anything starts. That's a smart move on your part, if only just a weak move to make.

The committee knows more than has been released to the public. It is up to the committee to determine the scope of the investigation.

Trump supporters are definitely not in a position to be limiting the scope of the investigation.

 

[Peacenik]

yes and it will be quite interesting to follow the cases and see if the the ones accused did indeed somehow plan take over the government in a general revolt.

my guess is no, but we'll see.

It's plain what the goal was: interrupt the peaceful transition of power from Donald Trump to Joe Biden. That is a crime. And it only worked for a short while, then it failed. After the criminals were done Congress came back and completed their task.

The fact that they didn't achieve their goal has nothing to do with it being a crime to even try to do that and fail.

The Trump Revolt of January 6th 2021 was the worst debacle since the Bay of Pigs. What a half-baked bunch of amateurs. They had to be fooling themselves to ever think they could violently change the outcome of an election.

 

[Peacenik]

tell you what, when Pelosi and Schumer and Biden can get every democrat to march to to same drum, come back to this

until then.....

Whataboutism.

 

[Peacenik]

No.

Polar opposites.

Trump flip flops more than a boated herring.

Very fine people who defiled the capital will be pardoned if he is reelected.

right.

He's hitched his wagon up to the looney train.

 

[Peacenik]

They are all False

All the wacko prepper websites agree January 6th was a picnic. Also, JFK and Hillary eloped in the basement of a pizza parlor that has no basement.

 

[Peacenik]

No, they definitely represent Republicans across the country.

If 30% of the country is this stupid, then we are inevitably doomed as a society.

I mean, look at this thread....these people won't even acknowledge obvious contradictions in their party's statements about Jan 6.

This chat site is not a cross-sectional representation of America. Most of America really is just not very well politically informed, and they don't want to be.

 

[The AntiDonald]

Polar opposites.

Trump flip flops more than a boated herring.

Very fine people who defiled the capital will be pardoned if he is reelected.

right.

He's hitched his wagon up to the looney train.

I call it witness tampering. It emboldens those who are being charged and questioned not to cooperate and not to take plea deals. It's also known as obstruction of justice. Something Trump is well known for. This type of thing can really backfire on the looney toons who participated in the lead up to and the attack on the capital.

How many will believe Trump and go on to prison believing he will pardon them? And then he loses the election. I wish them all the best of luck.

 

[Bullseye]

There are so many contradictory statements coming from Republicans about Jan 6. I honestly don't know what to believe anymore.

Can a Republican please review the quotes below for me and tell me which quotes are true statements about Jan 6 and which ones are not?

Donald Trump on 7 Jan 2021: "The demonstrators who infiltrated the Capitol have defiled the seat of American democracy," he said. "To those that engage in the acts of violence and disruption, you do not represent our country. To those that broke the law, you will pay."

RNC on 4 Feb 2022: "Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger crossed a line," Ronna McDaniel said. "They chose to join Nancy Pelosi in a Democrat-led persecution of ordinary citizens who engaged in legitimate political discourse that had nothing to do with violence at the Capitol."

Mike Pence on 4 Feb 2022: described Jan. 6 as a “dark day” in Washington.

Thank you for the help! of

What don't you get about each? I don't see the question or conflict that bothers you. You're addressing different aspects of
Trump and Pence are in agreement - it was a dark day.

RNC is also absolutely correct on Cheney and Kinzinger.

 

[jnug]

This chat site is not a cross-sectional representation of America. Most of America really is just not very well politically informed, and they don't want to be.

Unfortunately very true. This site is chock full of political wonks (they are fine but as you say, not representative) and then also posters with ulterior and sinister purposes (not fine, dangerous, ultimately the enemy dead set on burning this country down) )at least from the viewpoint of somebody that still believes in this country.

 

[Peacenik]

no....not every democrat agrees

Majority of Americans think Jan. 6 attack threatened democracy: POLL

An overwhelming majority (72%) of Americans believe that the people involved in the attack on the U.S. Capitol were “threatening democracy,"

abcnews.go.com

This ABC News/Ipsos poll was conducted using Ipsos Public Affairs' KnowledgePanel® Dec. 27 to 29, 2021, in English and Spanish, among a random national sample of 982 adults with oversamples of Black and Hispanic respondents.

Even with more democrats responding not all democrats agree.....the country is VERY DIVIDED

they know a riot happened and a lot of idiots were arrested.....

So another in a long line of threads that hasnt changed one mind....and wont

The democrats need EVIDENCE....real evidence that GOP members were behind the attack.....and have completely struck out so far

Either witnesses have taken the 5th, and or the actual people who were involved have not agreed to testify against anyone above them

Now either they are willing to fall on their proverbial swords, or this wasnt as conspiratorial as the democrats want everyone to believe

We shall see about that. Evidence is being collected.

 

[Peacenik]

I call it witness tampering. It emboldens those who are being charged and questioned not to cooperate and not to take plea deals. It's also known as obstruction of justice. Something Trump is well known for. This type of thing can really backfire on the looney toons who participated in the lead up to and the attack on the capital.

How many will believe Trump and go on to prison believing he will pardon them? And then he loses the election. I wish them all the best of luck.

It's a strange campaign pitch for a 'law and order' president to promise to pardon criminals.

 

[Peacenik]

What don't you get about each? I don't see the question or conflict that bothers you. You're addressing different aspects of
Trump and Pence are in agreement - it was a dark day.

RNC is also absolutely correct on Cheney and Kinzinger.

The RNC only did that to appease the hatred vote.

 

[reflechissez]

Do you not understand that the committee was formed with a few major goals in mind

1. Try to damage the GOP anyway they can, and if possible connect the dots between what happened on 1/6 to top ranking officials in the GOP
2. Keep the narrative running that the GOP tried a coup....again part of #1
3, Damage Trump in any way possible (they are so afraid he will run again in 2024) which btw is NOT going to happen
4. Keep this going as long as possible, or at least September when they will issue a report hoping to turn around their poor poll showings

This is all political theatre designed to try and sway voters in the Nov 22/24 elections. The only issue is, the well is once again dry. Yes there was a riot, and those responsible need to be held liable....and there are a lot already in jail, and many more soon to join. But the big fish they hoped to land....nope.....either they never took the bait, or werent even in the same pond.

Not one large GOP member has been charged over 13 months after the fact. Either they have all pleaded the 5th, or will as the committee continues to waste time calling them for witnesses. They have no corroborating evidence tying them to the 1/6 events that is case worthy that has been anywhere near the news. And something tells me this would assuredly been leaked if it existed.

As to who has suggested they were behind the attacks.....READ THE THREADS.....pick any of probably a hundred on here

Shall i gather quotes from democrats.....are you too lazy to google yourself? read, just read

I'm with you, sport. Nothing happening on Jan 6 and nothing should be investigated.

 

[jnug]

RNC is also absolutely correct on Cheney and Kinzinger.

RNC is full of crap.

Its Chair dropped her maiden name which had always carried, Ronna ROMNEY McDaniel proudly in order to appease the orange orangutan, Fat Donnie and thus keep her bullshit job as chair. How full of crap do you have to be to deny your maiden name to appease a pile of scum like Fat Donnie?

As for the RNC itself, it is about 170 goons who are the beating political heart of the Qanon, Oath Keeper, Trumphumping whacks and the bridge to the financial treasure of what used to be a political party, the GOP.

 

[RIP U.S. Democracy]

no....not every democrat agrees

Majority of Americans think Jan. 6 attack threatened democracy: POLL

An overwhelming majority (72%) of Americans believe that the people involved in the attack on the U.S. Capitol were “threatening democracy,"

abcnews.go.com

This ABC News/Ipsos poll was conducted using Ipsos Public Affairs' KnowledgePanel® Dec. 27 to 29, 2021, in English and Spanish, among a random national sample of 982 adults with oversamples of Black and Hispanic respondents.

Even with more democrats responding not all democrats agree.....the country is VERY DIVIDED

they know a riot happened and a lot of idiots were arrested.....

So another in a long line of threads that hasnt changed one mind....and wont

The democrats need EVIDENCE....real evidence that GOP members were behind the attack.....and have completely struck out so far

Either witnesses have taken the 5th, and or the actual people who were involved have not agreed to testify against anyone above them

Now either they are willing to fall on their proverbial swords, or this wasnt as conspiratorial as the democrats want everyone to believe

Another pointless reply by you.

All of the Democrats in Congress agree about the Trump coup attempt on Jan 6, lightweight. You know, the people actually running this country?

 

[RIP U.S. Democracy]

What don't you get about each? I don't see the question or conflict that bothers you. You're addressing different aspects of
Trump and Pence are in agreement - it was a dark day.

RNC is also absolutely correct on Cheney and Kinzinger.

You won't acknowledge that McDaniel's statement about Jan 6 contradicts Trump's and Pence's statements about Jan 6. You aren't capable of being honest and you simply aren't worth talking to.

And you also said Trump's two statements about Jan 6 in post #4 don't contradict each other, which is even more laughable.

 

[Grim17]

In two short sentences Trump says roughly one year apart:

Those people who attacked our capital will pay.

And then: We will pardon those who are being treated unfairly. And you don't see a contradiction?

Not at all... Do you not see a difference between "punish the attackers" and "help those treated unjustly"?

I think the divide between those who see a contradiction, and those who don't, comes down to this: Those who see a contradiction, have a narrow perspective of what took place on January 6th, while those of us who don't see a contradiction, saw everything that took place on that day.

To you and those on the left, all that took place that day was a mob of rioters arrived at the Capital and stormed it... What myself, as well as the people quoted for this thread saw, was a huge peaceful protest that took place in front of the Capital, along with a group of not-so-peaceful protesters who decided to use force to storm the Capital. They may have been one group together protesting at the beginning, but they definitely split and weren't together as one group when the Capital was breeched.

You all did the same thing with Charlotte... There were thousands of people there to peacefully protest the removal of historic statues, but to this day you all claim that the only people there to protest were racist, white supremacists' trying to stir up trouble.

.

 

[ataraxia]

Trump was correct in going after the people who actually caused harm on Jan 6th.

Poor attempt at spin. He is offering to pardon those who have been criminally convicted of causing harm on Jan 6th. This doesn't cut it. Try harder.

 

[ataraxia]

What myself, as well as the people quoted for this thread saw, was a huge peaceful protest that took place in front of the Capital, along with a group of not-so-peaceful protesters who decided to use force to storm the Capital. They may have been one group together protesting at the beginning, but they definitely split and weren't together as one group when the Capital was breeched.
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Your explanation makes no sense. The peaceful group of protestors are not the ones getting convicted or in jail right now. Trump is offering to pardon the group already convicted of attacking the capitol: the not-so-peaceful protestors. Try harder.

 

[RIP U.S. Democracy]

Not at all... Do you not see a difference between "punish the attackers" and "help those treated unjustly"?

I think the divide between those who see a contradiction, and those who don't, comes down to this: Those who see a contradiction, have a narrow perspective of what took place on January 6th, while those of us who don't see a contradiction, saw everything that took place on that day.

To you and those on the left, all that took place that day was a mob of rioters arrived at the Capital and stormed it... What myself, as well as the people quoted for this thread saw, was a huge peaceful protest that took place in front of the Capital, along with a group of not-so-peaceful protesters who decided to use force to storm the Capital. They may have been one group together protesting at the beginning, but they definitely split and weren't together as one group when the Capital was breeched.

You all did the same thing with Charlotte... There were thousands of people there to peacefully protest the removal of historic statues, but to this day you all claim that the only people there to protest were racist, white supremacists' trying to stir up trouble.

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Trump would pardon every single one of them if he became President again. They were ALL treated unfairly as far as Trump is concerned.

And the tragic thing is you already know this and you just don't care.