I like that the Dems are starting formal procedures To impeach.

[code1211]

Well, you know that General fund

You do know these people are being protected for NOTHING right?

I know about the general fund.

What people are being protected for nothing?

 

[Luther]

I know about the general fund.

What people are being protected for nothing?

Last report, 44% of Americans

 

[code1211]

Are you trying to say the only folks who work are republicans?

How in the world could you draw that conclusion from what I wrote?

Are you asserting that only Republicans are "courageous, self reliant achievers"?

Are you asserting that only Democrat-Socialists are "quivering victims waiting for the next crumb to be gifted to them by their masters"?

I asserted neither. I am only citing that the greatness of a country is literally defined by the greatness, or lack of greatness, present in its people.

If a country's people are great, that country will in turn be great. If a country's people are petty or small, that country will also be petty or small.

Immediate, self serving, short sighted, petty goals are not hard to spot. Long term, fair and just, selfless goals founded on well defined standards and rock solid principles rise above that muck.

For better or worse, we are defined by what we continually do. Greatness is not achieved by how daily events occur.

Greatness is revealed by how we respond to and shape the next events that occur. Greatness has no party affiliation and no easy way in.

From the proverb: "He who knows and knows he knows is wise. Follow him."

A problem in this is that the "wise" leader is rarely revealed as wise until many after his actions are made. That is why we study history. If it never worked before, it's likely it won't work again.

Knows and Knows Not

 

[code1211]

Read it for yourself.
The Mueller Report

As I suspected.

You don't know and don't care.

You just hate.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

As I suspected.

You don't know and don't care.

You just hate.

It’s not my job to spoon feed facts to denialist Trumpsters.

 

[code1211]

Who should we thank for the unemployment rate
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AS you see the only thing that your man brought to the unemployment rate was slowing down the Obama rate of decrease. Pig **** hindered the process . In fact if no one would have been in office, the unemployment rate would have been better. Yes Obama is the man when it comes to Employment rate in this country. Pointing out lies of any democrat when you grovel at the feet of the master of all liars is a hoot.

I really do delight in the stumbling attempts of Obamabots to prop up the failures of their man as something admirable.

Did you notice that, according to your chart, the "brilliant" policies and actions of Obama NEVER returned the unemployment of the nation to the pre-recession levels of 2007? NEVER!

It took 4 years for any economic measuring figures to even approach the levels of the pre-recession economy.

Due to Obama policies, the "recovery" was the slowest and weakest of any since WW2.

If he had done absolutely NOTHING after he was elected, the economy would have recovered to 2007 levels comparatively quickly.

His policies slowed and, in many cases, derailed the recovery.

It's interesting that Obama's term started at the depths of the "Great Recession". His policies created a defined and trackable rise in the stock markets.

Trump got elected. He took over the Obama economy which was and is defined by his supporters as the best ever.

Despite this, the rise of the stock markets after the Obama Election and after the Trump election have been very similar.

As Obama noted, the car was in the ditch when he took over. Simply getting the thing back on the road should have provided a dramatic improvement.

Trump, it must be assumed, took over a car that was speeding down the road. ANY improvement should have defined Trump as the Stable Genius that he is.

It took Obama 4 years to get back to the pre-recession levels in the stock markets. In Trump's FIRST term, there have been literally hundreds of record closes in the various stock markets.

Really can't blame Obama, though. He honestly thinks that there is nothing that can be done to help employers employ. Trump honestly believes that if employers are given the slightest help, they'll create jobs.

With increasing jobs comes hope, optimism and courage. With unemployment comes fear, pessimism and despair. As Roosevelt said, "Fear itself".

The Stock markets measure only hope, optimism and courage. If markets are going up, they are present. If markets are going down, they are absent.

Obama policies terrified the most risk embracing financial speculators in the history of mankind, the Americans, and made them sequester their money out of harm's way.

When Trump was elected, the flood gates in effect were opened.

The result is the lowest unemployment ever for minorities and women. 7 million folks have risen off of food stamp dependency. More Americans working than ever before. Highest wage rates ever. Highest household income ever.

Facts are stubborn things. The facts today point to a new direction taken by a bold leader for the good of his people. Those who oppose his new direction in truth are opposing the good of the people.

Stock Market Performance by President (From Election Date) | MacroTrends

 

[code1211]

What a pile of crap, Your hate party took away all of the potential to get ahead when you passed the Trickle down lie in 1981 Show us about this potential to get ahead crap.
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With inflation and the massive increase of debt owned by all family's since 81 . The conditions are even worse then this chart. Do you even know what happened in 81???????? Every dime of new wealth, which has been massive, have gone to the golden few at the top ,The promise of the potential to get ahead is dead and it will stay dead till we dump the right wing economics ideas Totally. Come back with facts on this not your opinion. The right wing party in actuality really only exist for one reason and that is to transfer every dime of the wealth of this country to the top.

With respect, you have no idea what you're talking about.

I was alive and working in 1981 and didn't have two nickels to rub together. Carter took care of that.

Then Reagan got elected and was, like Trump, characterized by a biased and agenda driven media as an idiot controlled by powerful interests working against the people.

At that time, there was no talk radio in its present form and no FOX News and no counter point presented to balance the information provided to the people.

The growth curve of our economy initiated by Reagan has continued with a few dips ever since.

Reagan fell short of carrying all 50 states in his re-election by a faction of one percent of the Minnesota state vote. Lies from the media don't always have the desired effect. Thank God!

My brother in law's career was as a union boiler maker and I was a middle manager. WE BOTH plied our trades and have now retired and are enjoying the fruits of our labors. Both of us started in about 1981 pretty much penniless.

Neither of us are "golden few at the top". Both of us are happy, financially secure and rewarded by working steadily within the economy we were blessed to be a part of.

Your pessimistic, short sighted, stupidly despair-filled surrender to your envious fear is duly noted. Please take it to simpletons who don't know any better.

 

[code1211]

Last report, 44% of Americans

I didn't ask how many of them.

I was hoping you might reveal what defines them.

 

[code1211]

It’s not my job to spoon feed facts to denialist Trumpsters.

If you make an assertion as you have done in a debate, supporting your assertion is exactly your job.

Glad I could help clear up your misunderstanding.

 

[trouble13]

If the President committed high crimes and misdemeanors than the House should initiate impeachment proceedings. It should not matter what the Senate decides or how it will affect the 2020 election. The Democratic Party needs to decide whether it’s job is oversight or winning the election.

Not only that but also if they have a convincing enough case to mske against Trump the election will be a landslide for democrats. The problem the democrats have is that they dont have the goods on Trump to acctually convince the public Trump should be removed from office. All these calls for impeachment are empty noise being used to gin up political division among voters.

"A vote for Trump is a vote for a criminal" etc...
They are trying to rebrand the same poiticsl cudgel that he used on clinton. If the opinions on this board are any reflection of the nation its not been entirely ineffective. Many posters here seem to sincerely believe that Trump has broken the law and should be put in jsil.

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[trouble13]

Don't want to Impeach , just want them to start the process and leak every detail to the press under the table.

Im confused why you dont want them to impeach if you think trump has committed impeachable offenses?

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[ludin]

“Define what is actually a lie”? Only dim witted/gullible Trumpsters don’t know what a lie is.

Impeachment hearings would be a waste of time however, a formal impeachment inquiry could be very damaging to Trump. If Don McGahn were forced to testify regarding Trump’s multiple attempts at obstruction, that alone could be enough to destroy any chance Trump might have at being re-elected and could even set him up for prosecution after the election next year.

No it won't. the only people damaged in a full impeachment inquiry will be leftist attempting a coupe on the government why?
because the senate will exonerate him of all charges. that will be it. it will be done with.

the leftist will then have to attempt to justify trying to remove a president on bogus charges.
there was no obstruction.

 

[ludin]

Because Scum bag could have raped ten 13 year olds, murdered 20 baby's and declared himself this countries president for life and the hate group that follows him would still support him and the right wing politicians will just act like nothing happened and blame it on Obama. They are a very ugly sick group of people that will have to be disposed of ,after The pumpkin man is disposed of. SO the patriots of this country still have much to do against the enemy's of this country

any you are 100% wrong as usual. if he did that then i would expect him to be arrested and put away for a very very long time.
you and your hyperbolic nonsense is just that.

 

[trouble13]

Your correct may I quote you "Why? They have done exactly nothing "Thats your comment abou the right, that of course framed by Pig pen lying every single day. Attacking every ethnic group daily , supporting our enemy's and bad mouthing our allies every day. Lying even when he doesn't have to. Just being the pig that he is, is why he's as good as gone. He's a mental case and as 2020 comes closer he will become less and less stable. Throwing in the filing for impeachment will just quicken that insanity. It will be fun to watch.

Just be clear when you say our your refferring to ptogressives. You're mad that he supports people progressives dont like and does not support people progressives do like.


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[ludin]

Don't want to Impeach , just want them to start the process and leak every detail to the press under the table.

i do believe that would violate some of the rules of the house about investigations.

 

[Pound4abrown]

America is Great because the American system provides people who want to succeed the chance to succeed. This is true for all at all levels of capability and wealth.

Trump has only examined the system and reduced the impediments in the way of those folks that want to be great themselves.

The greatness of any country should only be measured by the greatness of its people.

When the country is populated by quivering victims waiting for the next crumb to be gifted to them by their masters, that country is doomed.

When the country is populated by courageous, self reliant achievers, that country is vital, vibrant and innovative. If you want to get anything done, give the job to someone who is already busy.

If the government fears the people, that is good. If the people fear the government, that is bad. Trump is helping to move the country back to the stage at which the government fears the people.

The ambition of people is like a natural force. Government is like a damn that holds it back. The best government creates a flow of that ambition that is helpful to most and hurtful to few.

BOLDED: By this very standard, America was already great then. It was great before Donald J Trump, and will continue to be so after.
Poor argument for keeping him around.

 

[Pound4abrown]

Your candidate will, for example. outlaw oil fracking and offshore drilling. Would you enjoy paying $8+ a gallon for gas? Have $50K for a nice EV? But wait! Much of American electricity is generated by natural gas, which we have an abundance of thanks to ....you guessed it....Fracking!

If your candidate's brains were dynamite, they wouldn't have enough explosive power to blow their noses.

Maybe $8/gallon gas will prompt people to want other alternatives to fossil fuels to run their cars?
But, instead, lets destroy the Earth a bit more with fracking. Sound logic.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

If you make an assertion as you have done in a debate, supporting your assertion is exactly your job.

Glad I could help clear up your misunderstanding.

You’re the one asking to be educated about something you deny. You’re the confused one.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

No it won't. the only people damaged in a full impeachment inquiry will be leftist attempting a coupe on the government why?
because the senate will exonerate him of all charges. that will be it. it will be done with.

the leftist will then have to attempt to justify trying to remove a president on bogus charges.
there was no obstruction.

If you understood what I said, and that there’s a difference between impeachment proceedings and an impeachment inquiry, you might not make such ignorant comments. But then again ....

 

[jimbo]

best idea I've heard this campaign session so far.....second best is nominate Tulsi

All of the Democrat candidates seem to be doing their best to out stupid each other, and all are succeeding.

 

[jimbo]

This is a hoot, You have no idea what will happen, states are doing it already and that will increase at a rapid pace. Here's the insanity, your $8.00 dollars a gallon would cost lest then the $1000 per person that scum bags trade wars with the world will cost us from now on.

Where does that $1000 figure come from? A few years ago the left was wanting jobs to come back to the US. Now the opposite seems to be true.

I bought gas for $2.15 yesterday.

 

[chuckiechan]

Don't want to Impeach , just want them to start the process and leak every detail to the press under the table.

I applaud you for your truthfulness. And to be a party to this you have to believe that America believes what you are telling them.

Good luck with that:
RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Congressional Job Approval!

Congressional job approval: 16.4%
Congressional job disapproval: 71.6%

Leprosy has a higher approval and a better reputation!

 

[rickc]

Just giving Trump more ammunition to unite his base

Democrats should be focused on winning the election and let Trump self destruct on his own.

Could be there are more Americans that agree with trump than not. A sad state for America but we will have to deal with it.

 

[jbander]

Yeah, but haven't ended it(wink)

It ends at our next election.

 

[jbander]

I really do delight in the stumbling attempts of Obamabots to prop up the failures of their man as something admirable.

Did you notice that, according to your chart, the "brilliant" policies and actions of Obama NEVER returned the unemployment of the nation to the pre-recession levels of 2007? NEVER!

It took 4 years for any economic measuring figures to even approach the levels of the pre-recession economy.

Due to Obama policies, the "recovery" was the slowest and weakest of any since WW2.

If he had done absolutely NOTHING after he was elected, the economy would have recovered to 2007 levels comparatively quickly.

His policies slowed and, in many cases, derailed the recovery.

It's interesting that Obama's term started at the depths of the "Great Recession". His policies created a defined and trackable rise in the stock markets.

Trump got elected. He took over the Obama economy which was and is defined by his supporters as the best ever.

Despite this, the rise of the stock markets after the Obama Election and after the Trump election have been very similar.

As Obama noted, the car was in the ditch when he took over. Simply getting the thing back on the road should have provided a dramatic improvement.

Trump, it must be assumed, took over a car that was speeding down the road. ANY improvement should have defined Trump as the Stable Genius that he is.

It took Obama 4 years to get back to the pre-recession levels in the stock markets. In Trump's FIRST term, there have been literally hundreds of record closes in the various stock markets.

Really can't blame Obama, though. He honestly thinks that there is nothing that can be done to help employers employ. Trump honestly believes that if employers are given the slightest help, they'll create jobs.

With increasing jobs comes hope, optimism and courage. With unemployment comes fear, pessimism and despair. As Roosevelt said, "Fear itself".

The Stock markets measure only hope, optimism and courage. If markets are going up, they are present. If markets are going down, they are absent.

Obama policies terrified the most risk embracing financial speculators in the history of mankind, the Americans, and made them sequester their money out of harm's way.

When Trump was elected, the flood gates in effect were opened.

The result is the lowest unemployment ever for minorities and women. 7 million folks have risen off of food stamp dependency. More Americans working than ever before. Highest wage rates ever. Highest household income ever.

Facts are stubborn things. The facts today point to a new direction taken by a bold leader for the good of his people. Those who oppose his new direction in truth are opposing the good of the people.

Stock Market Performance by President (From Election Date) | MacroTrends

What a pile of make believe CRAP. Are you joking, what the chart shows is that Your party destroyed our economy and almost destroyed our country and Obama came into office and the stock market immediately turned around and increase 178%, Why because every investor with a brain knows that the right is a disaster for the markets and the democrats are golden for the market. Business had the highest profit in history, fastest rate of increase in profit in history and the the highest percentage of gross that was profit in history , 12 million jobs were created. Corporate profits up 57%. 15 million more people had health insurance. You compare that with scum bag and it makes your God and leader look like what he is, a total loser that literally lost more personal money in a decade then anyone in history. That's a loser, He lost over a billion in in that decade. Your nonsense comment about being the slowest recovery since worlds war II , might have to do with the fact that by far it was the worse recession since the second war > YOU LOOK AT THE CHART AND WRITE IN EVERYTHING NEGATIVE THAT YOU CAN, THINGS THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CHART IN REALITY., I LOOK AT THE CHART AND SEE THE TRUTH< YOUR PRESIDENT AND YOUR RIGHT WING ECONOMICS CREATED THE SECOND BIGGEST RECESSION IN OUR HISTORY, IT WAS SO BAD THAT WE WERE WORRYING ABOUT THE COLLAPSE OFF OUR ECONOMY AND COUNTRY> AND OBAMA TURNED IT AROUND. YOU COMMENT IS CRAP!