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I just wonder

Good4Nothin said:
Why you asking ME? I am just barely starting a conversation about it.
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You stated, "Genetic engineering research has become extremely reckless. If that's what caused this, it can't continue the same way."

How would you change how genetic engineering research is conducted?
 
BlueTex said:
You stated, "Genetic engineering research has become extremely reckless. If that's what caused this, it can't continue the same way."

How would you change how genetic engineering research is conducted?
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I never said I had a suggestion about how to change it. I think it has become very reckless. Maybe some public awareness might help somehow.

Just because I don't have a complete solution for you, you think I should just shut up about it?
 
Good4Nothin said:
Do you have a link to something saying they reopened the markets unchanged? That would be really crazy.
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China Reopens Wet Markets, the Suspected Cause of COVID-19
“The markets have gone back to operating in exactly the same way as they did before coronavirus,” said a Daily Mail*correspondent*who observed the markets reopening in Dongguan. “The only difference is that security guards try to stop anyone taking pictures, which would never have happened before.”
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It stands to reason that China viewsthese markets as relativily low risk places to spread infections. I think its fair to question why.

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trouble13 said:
I would attach severe punitive measures against people responsible for accidents.

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Would you just order the Chinese government to implement this plan or else?
 
marke said:
Researchers who had been doing research on the coronavirus before the outbreak said it came from horseshoe bats. The Chinese lab at Wuhan was already experimenting on the COVID-19 virus and had samples of the virus at its lab facility in Wuhan before the outbreak.
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Marke:

Science is all about accepting new evidence and altering existing theories accordingly.

Scientists use bioinformatics to investigate origin of SARS-CoV-2

Pangolin viruses have very high correlation with human SARS-CoV-2 viruses especially on the spike receptors which bind to human cell protein receptors and thus allow the virion to dock to the host cell and then infect it. Thus pangolins may have been an intermediary host to a virus with a bat origin and the SARS-CoV-2 virion may be a chimera virion which became far more infections and lethal to humans after mutating in pangolin hosts first.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Misinformation related to the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic - Wikipedia

This article debunks theories that it was a bioweapon. However:

"Misinformation aside, concerns on accidental leakage by the WIV remain.[48] In 2017, US molecular biologist Richard H. Ebright, expressed caution when the WIV was expanded to become mainland China's first biosafety level 4 (BSL–4) laboratory, noting previous escapes of the SARS virus at other Chinese laboratories.[49] While Ebright refuted several conspiracy theories regarding the WIV (e.g. bioweapons research, that the virus was engineered), he told BBC China that this did not represent the possibility that the virus can be "completely ruled out" from entering the population due to a laboratory accident."
 
Evilroddy said:
Marke:

Science is all about accepting new evidence and altering existing theories accordingly.

Scientists use bioinformatics to investigate origin of SARS-CoV-2

Pangolin viruses have very high correlation with human SARS-CoV-2 viruses especially on the spike receptors which bind to human cell protein receptors and thus allow the virion to dock to the host cell and then infect it. Thus pangolins may have been an intermediary host to a virus with a bat origin and the SARS-CoV-2 virion may be a chimera virion which became far more infections and lethal to humans after mutating in pangolin hosts first.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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This is from Wikipedia:

In 2015, a team including scientists from the Institute published successful research on whether a bat coronavirus could be made to infect HeLa. The team engineered a hybrid virus, combining a bat coronavirus with a SARS virus that had been adapted to grow in mice and mimic human disease. The hybrid virus was able to infect human cells.

In 2017, a team from the Institute announced that coronaviruses found in horseshoe bats at a cave in Yunnan contain all the genetic pieces of the SARS virus, and hypothesized that the direct progenitor of the human virus originated in this cave. The team, who spent five years sampling the bats in the cave, noted the presence of a village only a kilometer away, and warned of "the risk of spillover into people and emergence of a disease similar to SARS."

Wuhan Institute of Virology - Wikipedia
 
marke said:
This is from Wikipedia:

In 2015, a team including scientists from the Institute published successful research on whether a bat coronavirus could be made to infect HeLa. The team engineered a hybrid virus, combining a bat coronavirus with a SARS virus that had been adapted to grow in mice and mimic human disease. The hybrid virus was able to infect human cells.

In 2017, a team from the Institute announced that coronaviruses found in horseshoe bats at a cave in Yunnan contain all the genetic pieces of the SARS virus, and hypothesized that the direct progenitor of the human virus originated in this cave. The team, who spent five years sampling the bats in the cave, noted the presence of a village only a kilometer away, and warned of "the risk of spillover into people and emergence of a disease similar to SARS."

Wuhan Institute of Virology - Wikipedia
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Marke:

Wikipedia? You can do better in your presentation of reliable sources than that perhaps. Wikipedia is a very unreliable source and there have been many reliable scientific papers in the last four months debunking the idea that the SARS-CoV-2 virion/virus has its origins as a human-made bio-weapon. Stop slinging about unsubstantiated speculation and do some real research about this virion/virus and pandemic, please. What you are doing here is not helpful to those actually fighting this health crisis, nor those isolating from it.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Evilroddy said:
Marke:

Wikipedia? You can do better in your presentation of reliable sources than that perhaps. Wikipedia is a very unreliable source and there have been many reliable scientific papers in the last four months debunking the idea that the SARS-CoV-2 virion/virus has its origins as a human-made bio-weapon. Stop slinging about unsubstantiated speculation and do some real research about this virion/virus and pandemic, please. What you are doing here is not helpful to those actually fighting this health crisis, nor those isolating from it.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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I happen to think Wikipedia is more informative and accurate than opinionated posters on the internet who offer little reason for people to believe they know what they are talking about.
 
Evilroddy said:
Marke:

Wikipedia? You can do better in your presentation of reliable sources than that perhaps. Wikipedia is a very unreliable source and there have been many reliable scientific papers in the last four months debunking the idea that the SARS-CoV-2 virion/virus has its origins as a human-made bio-weapon. Stop slinging about unsubstantiated speculation and do some real research about this virion/virus and pandemic, please. What you are doing here is not helpful to those actually fighting this health crisis, nor those isolating from it.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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Hey. You sound like you don't care about the truth, only about keeping everyone calm. That is why you accept the official story, which is obviously intended to keep us calm and stupid. Obviously, the truth is not yet known.

Wikipedia tends to be pro-mainstream, and does not generally promote conspiracy theories. The same information I quoted from there I also found elsewhere.
 
marke said:
I happen to think Wikipedia is more informative and accurate than opinionated posters on the internet who offer little reason for people to believe they know what they are talking about.
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Marke:

Try this for a start and then follow the link at the bottom to Nature. From there you're on your own.

New Study of The Coronavirus 'Spike' Protein Could Help Explain Its Immense Spread

Wikipedia is a lazy person's source and is definitely not a reliable source, despite you avowed preferences.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Evilroddy said:
Marke:

Try this for a start and then follow the link at the bottom to Nature. From there you're on your own.

New Study of The Coronavirus 'Spike' Protein Could Help Explain Its Immense Spread

Wikipedia is a lazy person's source and is definitely not a reliable source, despite you avowed preferences.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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I admit there is generally some good things in all tragedies. The outbreak of the coronavirus is motivating research into finding a cure and that is one good thing in the whole tragic landscape of destruction..
 
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Good4Nothin said:
This might sound like a conspiracy theory, but I don't mean it that way. I'm just wonderin'.

Lots of genetic engineering has been going on. The official story is that this coronavirus is entirely natural. But after two seconds of searching I found this article from 2008:

Manipulation of the coronavirus genome using targeted RNA recombination with interspecies chimeric coronaviruses. - PubMed - NCBI

All I can see is the abstract. But I will look for others. But it's a fact that they have been messing with these viruses. How do we know the official story isn't just BS to keep us masses calm?
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Researchers would want to be able to alter a viral genome in order to make non-pathogenic forms of the virus for vaccine production. You pulling up a very technical article on genetic engineering of coronaviruses that you yourself don't understand. For example, the abstract points out the 3' part of the genome. What do they mean by 3' part? Go ahead, look it up. The problem here is that you lack both didactic knowledge and expertise to offer any substantive opinion other than hysteria and conspiracy theory. Grips on sale on isle 2.
 
Good4Nothin said:
This might sound like a conspiracy theory, but I don't mean it that way. I'm just wonderin'.

Lots of genetic engineering has been going on. The official story is that this coronavirus is entirely natural. But after two seconds of searching I found this article from 2008:

Manipulation of the coronavirus genome using targeted RNA recombination with interspecies chimeric coronaviruses. - PubMed - NCBI

All I can see is the abstract. But I will look for others. But it's a fact that they have been messing with these viruses. How do we know the official story isn't just BS to keep us masses calm?
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Naw.

This stuff has been around for millions and millions of years.

It mutates.

The world is full of things battling for the expansion of their life iteration.

:shrug:
 
BlueTex said:
The proximal origin of SARS-CoV-2 | Nature Medicine
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Very interesting. Difficult for a non scientist to understand it all. Having said that, it leaves me to ponder that our scientists can narrow it down to such detail, yet with all the intellect we have in this world, we are being brought to our knees by a little bug.
Detailed understanding of how an animal virus jumped species boundaries to infect humans so productively will help in the prevention of future zoonotic events. For example, if SARS-CoV-2 pre-adapted in another animal species, then there is the risk of future re-emergence events. In contrast, if the adaptive process occurred in humans, then even if repeated zoonotic transfers occur, they are unlikely to take off without the same series of mutations
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This ^^^is some hope.
 
Lovebug said:
Very interesting. Difficult for a non scientist to understand it all. Having said that, it leaves me to ponder that our scientists can narrow it down to such detail, yet with all the intellect we have in this world, we are being brought to our knees by a little bug.

This ^^^is some hope.
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No there isn't.
 
Good4Nothin said:
In other words, no one knows. And there is NO reason to think artificial genetic tweaking could not have contributed to making it more deadly and transmittable.
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G4N:

The second paragraph of the first source I gave you in my last post says:

While we don't have all the answers yet - including whether it came from an animal reservoir - a new analysis has definitively put to rest the conspiracies that claim it's a lab-made disease.
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That rules out your so called genetic tweaking speculation. The mutations are natural.

The second source lays out the two possible pathways the SARS-CoV-2 virus took to get to where it got to last October when it went epidemic in Hubei Province, China. There is no evidence of human manipulation in the viral strain and ample evidence of completely natural mutations in its development to date. Obviously since its emergence as an epidemic disease there has been plenty of human manipulation of the virion in attempts to develop vaccines and anti-viral therapies, but that is post emergence tweaking.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
 
Evilroddy said:
G4N:

The second paragraph of the first source I gave you in my last post says:



That rules out your so called genetic tweaking speculation. The mutations are natural.

The second source lays out the two possible pathways the SARS-CoV-2 virus took to get to where it got to last October when it went epidemic in Hubei Province, China. There is no evidence of human manipulation in the viral strain and ample evidence of completely natural mutations in its development to date. Obviously since its emergence as an epidemic disease there has been plenty of human manipulation of the virion in attempts to develop vaccines and anti-viral therapies, but that is post emergence tweaking.

Cheers.
Evilroddy.
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Well sure they will say that, knowing that hardly anyone will understand all the details. I am very skeptical of that. But it says nothing about whether the virus could have escaped from a lab.
 
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