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I just want to thank the GOP for the information contained in the recently released texts.

rahl said:
Uh, it’s not legal for a Vice President to throw out electors votes. He has no such power to do so.
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Don't worry. That wasn't going to happen.
 
Michael Cole said:
Don't be naive. The Republicans winning the House will not prevent the truth from being revealed.
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The dog and pony shows will end when the Republicans win the House.
 
Mycroft said:
LOL!!

Now, all you have to do is prove Trump was involved in anything that applies to that law. Until you do, Trump hasn't broken any law.

btw, can you provide any motive for Trump doing such a thing? I mean, up until the riot started, that joint meeting was in the process of dealing with disputes about the electors. That dispute process, if successful, would benefit Trump. But when they got back together after the riot, some wanted to continue the dispute process...but they were denied...and they ended up simply counting and certifying the pro-Biden electoral votes.

The point is...instigating a riot would do NOTHING "for Trump"...but would do EVERYTHING for those who supported removing Trump.

But hey...that doesn't follow the Trump hater narrative, so let's just pretend not to know about that...right?
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The part where you say, "instigating will do nothing for trump" ,

there were no democrats speaking at the ellipse before events got going on capitol hill. I don't see the motive democrats would have in interrupting the EC that Biden won. Why go through that much trouble if he's already on his way out?

I have posted before that I'm not aware of any evidence that the WH knew beforehand that the supporters would be able to get inside the capitol.
That doesn't absolve anybody - it's true that trump sent out tweets about J6 in December. Trump may have believed that the angry crowd outside would intimidate the members.
 
soap box said:
The part where you say, "instigating will do nothing for trump" ,

there were no democrats speaking at the ellipse before events got going on capitol hill. I don't see the motive democrats would have in interrupting the EC that Biden won. Why go through that much trouble if he's already on his way out?

I have posted before that I'm not aware of any evidence that the WH knew beforehand that the supporters would be able to get inside the capitol.
That doesn't absolve anybody - it's true that trump sent out tweets about J6 in December. Trump may have believed that the angry crowd outside would intimidate the members.
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The Trump supporting members were executing the plan. Why would he want to "intimidate them"? Hell, it's more likely the Trump haters would want to disrupt the plan...and they did. They even used Trump supporters outside the Capitol in their plan.
 
Mycroft said:
The Trump supporting members were executing the plan. Why would he want to "intimidate them"? Hell, it's more likely the Trump haters would want to disrupt the plan...and they did. They even used Trump supporters outside the Capitol in their plan.
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I don't think you understood my post, but that's not important. Don't you think it was Pence who didn't want to go along with the plan?
 
soap box said:
I don't think you understood my post, but that's not important. Don't you think it was Pence who didn't want to go along with the plan?
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He didn't have a choice.

You know what? I don't think you even know what was happening in the joint session of Congress.
 
Mycroft said:
Nope. Not even the Constitution.
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The process is spelled out in the constitution, word by word.

Your pals didn't seem to like it, though.
 
Mycroft said:
He didn't have a choice.

You know what? I don't think you even know what was happening in the joint session of Congress.
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I'll agree with you there, I'm working on a timeline but I I don't have all the details. I'm listening if you have time to share your relation of the events and people
 
Gateman_Wen said:
It seems a good portion of the republican party is OK with the vice president throwing out electors they disagree with, as long as there is some nebulous"evidence" of fraud. Apparently losing is all the evidence you need for that. I'm sure Kamala and Joe are overjoyed to hear it, particularly if things don't go their way in 2024.
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Apparently, you don't know much.
 
Mycroft said:
That memo is irrelevant.
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Then why have you brought it up so often? And since it is the basis for the argument for the VP to throw out electoral college votes, then why are we even having this conversation?

You said in reference to Schmitz's memo that Jordan passed on, "Too bad the plan wasn't used. If it had been, we'd have identified the election fraud, corrected it and the actual winner of the election would now be in office."

Congressman Jim Jordan sent text to Mark Meadows saying Pence could block election result

Just when you thought the texts to Mark Meadows couldn't get any crazier, they do. Much, much crazier. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/dec/16/jim-jordan-texts-capitol-attack-trump-mark-meadows The Ohio congressman Jim Jordan has been identified as the Republican who sent a message to...
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Mycroft said:
I'm okay with legal things happening. Aren't you?
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By "legal things" do you mean like the 60+ lawsuits filed arguing the big lie in one fashion or another, all of which were summarily rejected? How many failed suits would it take to convince the Trump cult that he lost in 2020 because he is a loser, not due to massive voter fraud? 120 suits? 1,200? 1 million?
 
LostInSeattle said:
Then why have you brought it up so often? And since it is the basis for the argument for the VP to throw out electoral college votes, then why are we even having this conversation?

You said in reference to Schmitz's memo that Jordan passed on, "Too bad the plan wasn't used. If it had been, we'd have identified the election fraud, corrected it and the actual winner of the election would now be in office."

Congressman Jim Jordan sent text to Mark Meadows saying Pence could block election result

Just when you thought the texts to Mark Meadows couldn't get any crazier, they do. Much, much crazier. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/dec/16/jim-jordan-texts-capitol-attack-trump-mark-meadows The Ohio congressman Jim Jordan has been identified as the Republican who sent a message to...
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I've talked about it because everyone is making a big deal about it...and spreading misinformation about it. But it is fundamentally irrelevant because it was never used.

In other words...it's a nothingburger for the useful idiots.
 
justabubba said:
curious. why do you insist that memo was irrelevant?
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It was a notion from one person that was passed on to Meadows by another person. There is no indication that Meadows...or anyone else in the WH...supported the notion or intended to put it in action. That makes it irrelevant.

But, of course, that doesn't matter to the J6 pukes or their propaganda machine. For them, it's good for their lying narrative.
 
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