I just want to save lives

[BryanVa]

This is so much more productive than debating gun control.

Alright I’ll bite. Since I seem to be in for a long wait before either Jet57 or Bucky can summon an answer for me….

@ vegas giants

What, in your opinion, is the proper interpretation of the 2nd Amendment?

What right, if any, do you believe it recognizes and protects?

If it recognizes any right, then can you explain how it operates—that is—how does the Amendment work to protect the right (if any) you assign to it?

 

[vegas giants]

Alright I’ll bite. Since I seem to be in for a long wait before either Jet57 or Bucky can summon an answer for me….

@ vegas giants

What, in your opinion, is the proper interpretation of the 2nd Amendment?

What right, if any, do you believe it recognizes and protects?

If it recognizes any right, then can you explain how it operates—that is—how does the Amendment work to protect the right (if any) you assign to it?

That could take pages and pages to explain. In short I believe in an individual right to bear arms but I feel this right is not unlimited and I think the federal governemtn has a role to play in reasonable gun control

 

[zsu2357]

People are catching on to you. They are confronting you on your constant lies about anyone that takes a gun control stance. We will not back down anymore. The lies can stop or we will continue to correct the record and point out that you want to ban guns to all non whites.

With the exception of the anti gun people(though not all of them) who are these other people that you say are catching on to TD? As always inquiring minds want to know.

 

[zsu2357]

Is this post clear enough.

I DO NOT SUPPORT GUNS BANS

Isn't that funny? That would be like me shouting: I SUPPORT GUN BANS.Yet by my posts it's pretty obvious I don't.

 

[vegas giants]

Isn't that funny? That would be like me shouting: I SUPPORT GUN BANS.Yet by my posts it's pretty obvious I don't.

You are free to support gun bans if you wish. I do not.

 

[Rucker61]

You are free to support gun bans if you wish. I do not.

Do you accept that a large part of gun control in the UK and Australia, whose gun control effectiveness you've repeatedly praised, relies on gun bans and confiscations?

 

[vegas giants]

Do you accept that a large part of gun control in the UK and Australia, whose gun control effectiveness you've repeatedly praised, relies on gun bans and confiscations?

Do you accept that there are things we can learn from the UK and Australia?

 

[Rucker61]

Do you accept that there are things we can learn from the UK and Australia?

Yes, registration enables confiscation, and being an island cuts down on smuggling. Also, their homicides went up after their 1996 gun laws.

Your turn. I'll restate: Do you accept that a large part of gun control in the UK and Australia, whose gun control effectiveness you've repeatedly praised, relies on gun bans and confiscations?

 

[vegas giants]

Yes, registration enables confiscation, and being an island cuts down on smuggling. Also, their homicides went up after their 1996 gun laws.

Your turn. I'll restate: Do you accept that a large part of gun control in the UK and Australia, whose gun control effectiveness you've repeatedly praised, relies on gun bans and confiscations?

No I do not accept that. Can you prove it?

 

[cuban smokes]

When the mass shooting happened in Newtown, Connecticut, it rocked me to my core. Adam Lanza had several guns and killed little children.

How many more mass shootings do we have to go through before gun control is enacted? The NRA and gun zealots are so extreme and evil they harass the parents of those who children were killed. Now, that's psychotic.

Our nation is swimming in a flood of guns. The U.S is such a violent country, and it gets exacerbated with the flood of weaponrys in our country.


Guns in the US: The statistics behind the violence - BBC News

Mass shooting in the U.S is not rare, and the killers are obtaining their guns legally.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-shootings-in-america/?utm_term=.bad73b116267

If stricter gun control laws lead to fewer deaths from gun-related violence, why is gun control not being demanded by the public?

I have been using firearms since I was six years old; fifty years ago ............ I haven't murdered anyone yet ................

IMO it's all about personal responsibility but then, that's just my opinion

Lanza? Hopefully he's rotting in Hell ............

 

[Rucker61]

No I do not accept that. Can you prove it?

We know that handgun crimes are impossible if no one has handguns.

It's evident that both the UK and Australia attribute the success, such as it is, of their gun control to confiscation else it would not be continued, and Australia would quit their amnesty attempts to collect more weapons.

You support their gun control efforts, which do include bans and confiscation. If their gun control efforts don't rely on bans and confiscations, what are the success factors, and can you prove that those factors would be successful without bans and confiscations?

 

[zsu2357]

That could take pages and pages to explain. In short I believe in an individual right to bear arms but I feel this right is not unlimited and I think the federal governemtn has a role to play in reasonable gun control

Now see? You didn't use the word banner one time. I agree with Bryan please explain and don't generalize it. If it takes a page or two with quotes from some cases or Founders that's great,hell I'm not in a hurry to go somewhere and it might make some good reading.

 

[zsu2357]

You are free to support gun bans if you wish. I do not.

I knew it,I knew you would do that.I SUPPORT GUN BANS.Yet by my posts it's pretty obvious I don't.Did you notice this?. Of course you did.POST 505

 

[zsu2357]

Do you accept that there are things we can learn from the UK and Australia?

Oh absolutely. Keep your f**king hands off.

 

[Bucky]

Your argument is to lie because you claim I am lying about calling you a gun banner. You know that your claim against me is a lie. But I believe you are a gun banner. As jaeger correctly noted, you have made hundreds of posts saying gun ban laws in other countries "work great" and "keep people safe"

He's actually right. You view blacks and Hispanics as criminals, thus not deserving of gun rights.

Banning guns and wanting to implement common-sense restrictions are not the same thing. You have a written and driving test before you can get your drivers license. Do you oppose people having to perform a written and performance test before getting a handgun?

I also don't want guns in the hands of criminals yet you support straw purchases at gun shows.

 

[Bucky]

Oh absolutely. Keep your f**king hands off.

You have empirical proof of countries implementing common-sense gun law procedures and it reducing crime.

When you still go against FACTS that just shows me you want shootings and gun violence to continue.

 

[Rucker61]

He's actually right. You view blacks and Hispanics as criminals, thus not deserving of gun rights.

Like me, he blames the 0.02% of blacks who commit homicides for those homicides. He's said repeatedly that race has nothing to do with gun rights. You and VG just have criminally poor reading comprehension.

Banning guns and wanting to implement common-sense restrictions are not the same thing. You have a written and driving test before you can get your drivers license. Do you oppose people having to perform a written and performance test before getting a handgun?

Yes. Who gets the set the standards? Who gets to approve the trainers? Who gets to license the approvers? Liberals?

What's the purpose?

I also don't want guns in the hands of criminals yet you support straw purchases at gun shows.

You should also figure out what a straw purchase is - a straw purchaser is an eligible purchaser who actually passes a background check to buy a gun.

 

[Rucker61]

You have empirical proof of countries implementing common-sense gun law procedures and it reducing crime.

When you still go against FACTS that just shows me you want shootings and gun violence to continue.

This empirical data? Victims of violent crime (n per year)

Note that after 1996, homicides were higher for 4 of the next 6 years, sexual assaults spiked, armed robberies spiked.

Since 1996, the Australia homicide rate dropped by about 48%. So did that of the US.

And that's with banning guns.

 

[Bucky]

What's the purpose?
.

You want to know the purpose why someone should so competency before getting a lethal weapon?

Wow.

 

[Rucker61]

You want to know the purpose why someone should so competency before getting a lethal weapon?

Is the purpose to train criminals to be better shooters, or to reduce accidents, or to make the requirements so onerous as to discourage gun ownership?

Care to address the rest of it? When DC was forced to allow handguns, they just "forgot" to license trainers there.

 

[TurtleDude]

He's actually right. You view blacks and Hispanics as criminals, thus not deserving of gun rights.

Banning guns and wanting to implement common-sense restrictions are not the same thing. You have a written and driving test before you can get your drivers license. Do you oppose people having to perform a written and performance test before getting a handgun?

I also don't want guns in the hands of criminals yet you support straw purchases at gun shows.

you're lying again. your arguments are pathetic and when i and others demonstrated how idiotic your arguments are, you throw the race card.

if you cannot figure out that owning a gun is constitutional right, there is no hope for you. When people who demand driver's licenses are also calling for bans on cars that go over 70 MPH you might have a point. BTW I don't have issues with someone getting a SHALL ISSUE LICENSE to carry concealed on the public streets

question Bucky. DO I need a driver's license to own a vehicle? Operate it on my private property or other public Property?

 

[TurtleDude]

You want to know the purpose why someone should so competency before getting a lethal weapon?

Wow.

is there any evidence lack of competence in shooting a gun is what causes most of the deaths in this country?

 

[vegas giants]

We know that handgun crimes are impossible if no one has handguns.

It's evident that both the UK and Australia attribute the success, such as it is, of their gun control to confiscation else it would not be continued, and Australia would quit their amnesty attempts to collect more weapons.

You support their gun control efforts, which do include bans and confiscation. If their gun control efforts don't rely on bans and confiscations, what are the success factors, and can you prove that those factors would be successful without bans and confiscations?

You first. You made a claim. Prove it with evidence to the standard you hold me to. Not conjecture

 

[Rucker61]

You first. You made a claim. Prove it with evidence to the standard you hold me to. Not conjecture

Reading comprehension failure again. I asked two questions:

"Do you accept that a large part of gun control in the UK and Australia, whose gun control effectiveness you've repeatedly praised, relies on gun bans and confiscations?"

"If their gun control efforts don't rely on bans and confiscations, what are the success factors, and can you prove that those factors would be successful without bans and confiscations?"

 

[vegas giants]

Like me, he blames the 0.02% of blacks who commit homicides for those homicides. He's said repeatedly that race has nothing to do with gun rights. You and VG just have criminally poor reading comprehension.



Yes. Who gets the set the standards? Who gets to approve the trainers? Who gets to license the approvers? Liberals?

What's the purpose?



You should also figure out what a straw purchase is - a straw purchaser is an eligible purchaser who actually passes a background check to buy a gun.

It doesnt matter what he says. He is lying. You have to read between the lines. That is the standard....right?