I Have Changed My Mind On Impeachment

[TomFitz]

Its not Trumps party. The republican party had a war within and the tea party types began reshaping the party by removing establishment republicans. Trump is just the latest evolution for which sect inside the party has control. Your issue isnt with Trump as much as it is with people like myself who put him in office.

Of course they are he isnt just in the way of their agenda he is dismantling pieces of it that they worked really hard to accomplish.

I find that entire line of reasoning disingenious for the simple fact that the Democrats have been calling for his impeachment long before any of these issues came to light. This latest thing is just an argument they think they can make stick and they decided to toll the dice. Maybe it will, maybe it wont. We shall see but im not buying for one minute its as bad as they portray it as.

It may very well be a case of Trump using dirty politics against Biden. He played dirty to win the nominee. I completely reject the notion that he isnt a politican but an outsider. He is a political animal who plays dirty and rough. He is a SOB.



Its fair to point that out but your only pointing out half the scenerio. Do you think any of the Democrats would break with their party to vote for impeaching a democrat president accussed of the same things?



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Yes, they would.

 

[j brown's body]

Mittens is rather shameless. He doesn't have to answer to Utah. He is a Mormon.

Trump won Utah with just 45% of the vote. A very low number for a solidly red state.

 

[TomFitz]

if any of it were true some of the Dems wouldn't have already voted against impeachment inquiry .....and Pelosi would have held impeachment vote yesterday.

rabbit hole you've climbed in is too deep and dark to begin to address the silly CT theories.

best you read my signature below :lol:

LIke I said, prove it, and document your evidence. I have no idea what the incoherent nonsense in the rest of your post means.

 

[j brown's body]

In a polling thread I predicted that in the Senate the vote to remove Trump from office would be 47 -53, with a couple of party defections on each side. I now want to change that to a total of 45-55, with zero Republicans voting to remove Trump from office and 2-3 Democrats failing to vote to remove Trump from office. I also now believe that when the actual vote in the House as to whether to impeach happens, there will now be zero defections from Republicans and a couple of defections from the Democrats.

In other words, this will be a total disaster for the Democrats. Zero Republicans from either the House or Senate will be on board to impeach while both the House and Senate will have Democrats defecting from the party line. McConnell will have the last laugh, exposing the Democratic overreach and abuse of power for what it was and the impeachment will give Trump a big win, raising unparalleled amounts of money for 2020 and being able to use the ammunition that not even moderate Republicans backed impeachment while Democrats couldn't even muster up 100% from their own party.

Democrats were hoping they could move the needle on Republicans and it severely backfired, causing zero Republican's needles to move and, most importantly, having some in their own party to not have their needles moved toward impeachment. And the worst part for the Democrats was there were a handful of Republicans who started out with an open mind but the partisan sham investigations have shown them that the impeachment was indeed nothing but a partisan sham.

This could happen. But at this point, Trump is galvanizing more anti-Trump voters than supporters, and that could spell disaster at the polls for him and those who vote no to impeachment and conviction.

Thinking of Susan Collins....

 

[Irwin Corey]

I’ve been around the commercial real estate and construction industries all my life.

I knew exactly who, and what, Donald Trump was over thirty years ago.

And not everyone who develops real estate is a crook,

But, if you’ve been in the business for even a short time, the crooks and con man make themselves known.

And Trump is a practitionaer of all the sleazeball tactics. The only reason he wasn’t put out of business by 1992, was the money he inherited and the fact that his dad signed the personal guarantees.

I hope you weren't offended by my comment; my father was a contractor and until I retooled with a computer science and mathematics degree I followed in his footsteps. I grew up in the day and age where hand shakes between gentlemen were the order of the day. But when I said "tools of his trade", I consider "his trade" as that of a con-man, not a legitimate contractor. He wouldn't make a pimple on a real contractors ass.

 

[TomFitz]

I hope you weren't offended by my comment; my father was a contractor and until I retooled with a computer science and mathematics degree I followed in his footsteps. I grew up in the day and age where hand shakes between gentlemen were the order of the day. But when I said "tools of his trade", I consider "his trade" as that of a con-man, not a legitimate contractor. He wouldn't make a pimple on a real contractors ass.

Not at all!

Trump is a particular example of the breed. He lives to take advantage of folks who do handshake deals (as did, and sometimes still do, for many years).

He cheats his partners and his customers, and he doesn’t pay his bills.

And, as with his lies, there’s no particular strategy to it. It’s all pathological.

 

[Trump]

LIke I said, prove it, and document your evidence. I have no idea what the incoherent nonsense in the rest of your post means.

naw...you got it wrong....up to Prosecutor to prove guilt not defendant to prove innocence.

Third world does it your way

 

[jnug]

naw...you got it wrong....up to Prosecutor to prove guilt not defendant to prove innocence.

Third world does it your way

Its an Impeachment, not a trial, not that you would ever let a fact get in the way.

 

[Trump]

Its an Impeachment, not a trial, not that you would ever let a fact get in the way.

and you see the bar lower to impeach a President:roll:

 

[jnug]

and you see the bar lower to impeach a President:roll:

If you don't as usual you have no clue what you are talking about. The House gets to decide what is an impeachable offense as such the rules of evidence are rather fluid. There are specific rules of evidence in a trial.

Alexander Hamilton in Federalist 65, described impeachable offenses as arising from "the misconduct of public men, or in other words from the abuse or violation of some public trust." Such offenses were "political, as they relate chiefly to injuries done immediately to the society itself."

According to this reasoning, impeachable conduct could include behavior that violates an official's duty to the country, even if such conduct is not necessarily a prosecutable offense. Indeed, in the past both houses of Congress have given the phrase "high Crimes and Misdemeanors" a broad reading, finding that impeachable offenses need not be limited to criminal conduct.

A President can be impeached for Treason, Bribery or other High Crimes and Misdemeanors and its up to the House itself to determine what qualifies as a High Crime and Misdemeanor. If the House can decide what qualifies that automatically means they get to determine what evidence to consider which is the same thing as saying the rules of evidence are fluid in Impeachment.

 

[Nickyjo]

Your side has drunken the kool aid jug bone dry. Not even any fumes are left. You've lost the handful of Republicans you had in the first place who now see the Democrats for the sham investigation they are running.

Answer me these: Why was aid withheld? Why did Trump, who has shown little interest in corruption, hold up the aid which he had signed into law? Why was the aid released right after the whistle blower blew the whistle? You are supporting a president who has proven himself a crook on more than one occasion, and acting as he said his supporters would. As I said, how could a President Pence be a bad thing for your side?

 

[Trump]

If you don't as usual you have no clue what you are talking about. The House gets to decide what is an impeachable offense as such the rules of evidence are rather fluid. There are specific rules of evidence in a trial.

Alexander Hamilton in Federalist 65, described impeachable offenses as arising from "the misconduct of public men, or in other words from the abuse or violation of some public trust." Such offenses were "political, as they relate chiefly to injuries done immediately to the society itself."

According to this reasoning, impeachable conduct could include behavior that violates an official's duty to the country, even if such conduct is not necessarily a prosecutable offense. Indeed, in the past both houses of Congress have given the phrase "high Crimes and Misdemeanors" a broad reading, finding that impeachable offenses need not be limited to criminal conduct.

A President can be impeached for Treason, Bribery or other High Crimes and Misdemeanors and its up to the House itself to determine what qualifies as a High Crime and Misdemeanor. If the House can decide what qualifies that automatically means they get to determine what evidence to consider which is the same thing as saying the rules of evidence are fluid in Impeachment.

because she can does not mean she will

Pelosi WILL NOT IMPEACH.......she's not THAT stupid.

 

[jnug]

because she can does not mean she will

Pelosi WILL NOT IMPEACH.......she's not THAT stupid.

She will impeach. Even the smart political decision is to impeach at this point. I seem to remember you boys claiming we would never even get this far a couple weeks ago.

 

[danielpalos]

Simply voting to move forward on the impeachment by House vote is enough to indicate, they want the Senate to do something.

 

[Jay Falcon]

vice versa with Dems, you mean. there isn't enough worthwhile evidence to remove the president from this charade.

This charade of career professionals who are testifying against Trump? That charade?

 

[danielpalos]

We may need to "memorialize our work" for our Posterity.

Let the Senate try it in Public.

 

[Jay Falcon]

The country's in great shape.

The Democrat-Socialists are trying to undo all of the measures taken to maintain the greatness.

What are talking about?

This post reads like it was grinded through Google translator.

What "greatness" are the Democratic Socialists trying to undo?

 

[Jay Falcon]

he already did. now what we are finding out is that he was way way over the line and he should have been brought up on charges of bribery
etc ...

not to mention obstruction of justice and a whole slew of other things.

unfortunately you like other seem to be confusing obama for trump because trump has been cleared of all charges.

Just WOW dude.

I mean...your post leaves me speechless. Are there really people who believe all that crap? Please tell me it's just you and a few of your friends. Or tell that your lying.

 

[marke]

In a polling thread I predicted that in the Senate the vote to remove Trump from office would be 47 -53, with a couple of party defections on each side. I now want to change that to a total of 45-55, with zero Republicans voting to remove Trump from office and 2-3 Democrats failing to vote to remove Trump from office. I also now believe that when the actual vote in the House as to whether to impeach happens, there will now be zero defections from Republicans and a couple of defections from the Democrats.

In other words, this will be a total disaster for the Democrats. Zero Republicans from either the House or Senate will be on board to impeach while both the House and Senate will have Democrats defecting from the party line. McConnell will have the last laugh, exposing the Democratic overreach and abuse of power for what it was and the impeachment will give Trump a big win, raising unparalleled amounts of money for 2020 and being able to use the ammunition that not even moderate Republicans backed impeachment while Democrats couldn't even muster up 100% from their own party.

Democrats were hoping they could move the needle on Republicans and it severely backfired, causing zero Republican's needles to move and, most importantly, having some in their own party to not have their needles moved toward impeachment. And the worst part for the Democrats was there were a handful of Republicans who started out with an open mind but the partisan sham investigations have shown them that the impeachment was indeed nothing but a partisan sham.

The fact of the impeachment itself coupled with biased polls designed to give the impression that Americans hate Trump and the republican party ideals, values and traditions give the democrats an advantage if they intend to capitalize on voter fraud. If democrats have sufficiently perfected voting machine tampering they can illegally manipulate the vote totals in their favor without raising too much suspicion if the strong democrat showing contradicts what is obviously contradictory to reality.

 

[vegas giants]

Just the fact of the impeachment itself coupled with biased polls designed to give the impression that Americans hate Trump and the republican party ideals, values and traditions, if the democrats have perfected their voter fraud techniques (especially with regards to voting machine tampering) they can illegally manipulate the vote totals in their favor without raising too much suspicion if the strong democrat showing contradicts what is obviously contradictory to reality.

Let's hope so

 

[marke]

Let's hope so

I think if enough immoral comrade communist democrat party citizens hope strong enough and pray to the gods of dark forces they may get their wish. The satanic communist/Marxist goal has always been to corrupt a nations morals before taking absolute brutal control over its people. It also helps to disarm the people beforehand, especially patriotic God-fearing freedom fighters.

 

[vegas giants]

I think if enough immoral comrade communist democrat party citizens hope strong enough and pray to the gods of dark forces they may get their wish. The satanic communist/Marxist goal has always been to corrupt a nations morals before taking absolute brutal control over its people. It also helps to disarm the people beforehand, especially patriotic God-fearing freedom fighters.

Let's hope so

 

[marke]

Let's hope so

Just believe in the dark forces of the godless democrat party and fight for suppression of all that is good, righteous and holy and all corrupt dreams may come true.

 

[vegas giants]

Just believe in the dark forces of the godless democrat party and fight for suppression of all that is good, righteous and holy and all corrupt dreams may come true.

Man I really hope so

 

[marke]

Man I really hope so

Good luck with the remaining months on earth. I hope you obtain God's forgiveness for your sins before it is too late, if you have not already done so.