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I challenge you to identify capitalistic characteristics

NatMorton said:
I was replying on to the OP.
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I understand that, I was just wondering if there is anything I said you found economically illiterate as I also consider myself far left and educated on economics.
 
Questerr said:
Which is why militaries are economically neutral.

But your absurd definition of “everything the government does is socialism” won’t allow you to say that.
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Make your case of how and why militaries are economically neutral. I say that protecting economic interests is the #1 mission of militaries. The explicit mission of the US Navy is to keep sea lanes open. Why? For economic purposes.
 
NatMorton said:
I've read your posts. You're far, far left.
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If you want to use a flimsy definition of 'far left,' then maybe I'm far left. Is protecting the environment far left? Are human rights far left?


"Far-left politics are politics further to the left of the left–right political spectrum than the standard political left.

There are different definitions of the far-left. Some scholars define it as representing the left of social democracy while others limit it to anarchism, socialism, and communism (or any derivative of Marxism-Leninism). In certain instances, especially in the news media, the term characterizes groups that advocate for revolutionary anti-capitalism and anti-colonialism.

Extremist far-left politics can involve violent acts such as terrorism and the formation of far-left militant organizations meant to abolish capitalist systems and the upper ruling class. Far-left terrorism consists of groups that attempt to realize their radical ideals and bring about change through violence rather than established political processes."
 
danielpalos said:
So what. Congress has the social power to tax. That makes it socialism not capitalism.
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“So what” - says the guy who just had the core of his argument ripped out.

The King of France had the social power to tax. That didn’t make the King socialist.
 
"WOLFF: Socialism is capitalism's critical shadow. Think of them as critics.


GONZALEZ: Socialism is a criticism of capitalism. And, you know, capitalism was really just a criticism of feudalism. And to understand socialism, we get to go back to feudalism, to European feudalism in particular, which starts in the 400s, like year 400. It's the Middle Ages."


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SMITH: So Karl Marx, he says, this is what we got to do. The workers need to own the means of production. They should own the land, the factory, the tools in some collective way so that they can be their own bosses, have the opportunity to make themselves wealthy, too.


WOLFF: That's what the breakthrough is. That's what the socialism is focused on. No more master-slave, no more lord-serf and no more employer versus employee.


GONZALEZ: This is when socialism becomes known as a criticism of capitalism. And the main thing socialism comes to signify is taking on inequality through some kind of government intervention." {Hmmm, look at that, a socialist economist said (didn't disagree) that socialism ... is ... government intervention."}


 
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Antiwar said:
Make your case of how and why militaries are economically neutral. I say that protecting economic interests is the #1 mission of militaries. The explicit mission of the US Navy is to keep sea lanes open. Why? For economic purposes.
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They protect economies, but militaries aren’t not themselves economic.

Militaries aren’t capitalist, socialist, mercantilist, feudalist, fascist, or any other economic system. They exist independent of the economic model of the polity.
 
Nomad4Ever said:
I understand that, I was just wondering if there is anything I said you found economically illiterate as I also consider myself far left and educated on economics.
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Can't say I've been tracking what you say here. If you're wondering about a particular idea you've offered, feel free to cite it.
 
danielpalos said:
Why do you believe a private sector CEO Is more socialist than a sovereign authority?
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Private sector CEO’s use social power to run their companies.

That’s how you are defining socialism. The issue is that your definition is absurd and inaccurate.

Using it, literally everything humans do is socialism because every single person uses “social power”.
 
Questerr said:
They protect economies, but militaries aren’t not themselves economic.

Militaries aren’t capitalist, socialist, mercantilist, feudalist, fascist, or any other economic system. They exist independent of the economic model of the polity.
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We agree that militaries protect economies.
 
danielpalos said:
That seems like a fallacy of You making up rhetoric and assuming your own conclusion. What social power are you referring to in the private sector?
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The same kind a Congressman has: influence, negotiation, promise of or denial of funding.
 
NatMorton said:
Can't say I've been tracking what you say here. If you're wondering about a particular idea you've offered, feel free to cite it.
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Well for example, my original reply to OP.

I challenge you to identify capitalistic characteristics

Every formal economy is a mixed economy and that mixture consists of free market (capitalism) and government intervention (socialism) characteristics. When government intervenes in the economy, they 'command' the economy, the economy is 'planned.' There's no such thing as a pure economy; every...
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