I Am Tired...

[CharisRose]

The purchase of the MV mansion proves he's what many of us already knew...
He's a massive -er.

Yes, many of us saw through his massive ing show act!

Roseann

 

[trixare4kids]

Yes, many of us saw through his massive ing show act!

Roseann

And what a divisive - mouth... calling Trump supporters ugly and chumps. I thought he said he wanted to be the president of everyone, not just Democrats? What a -wreck.

 

[CharisRose]

And what a divisive - mouth... calling Trump supporters ugly and chumps. I thought he said he wanted to be the president of everyone, not just Democrats? What a -wreck.

Yes he does have a divisive -mouth towards anyone who irritates or opposes him.

That is what he said... Democrats, Republicans & Independents. The Biden is a dog faced lying pony soldier.

Yes, a run-away -wreck destined to go off the rails!

Biden has been promoting himself as an Father-Figure who loves and cares for all his children and that he is the only One who can reunite his feuding family.

This self-promotion is based on his scapegoat strategy of hate for the ish Trump who only loves & cares for himself.

He expects the Trump haters to give him the Father of the Year participation

The problem for Biden is a participation is worthless in comparison to a Trump winning !

Choo-Choo the chugging run-away -wreck will go off the rails!

ing The Trump/Pence Winning Ticket!

imho Roseann

 

[jonny5]

I think this is called a property tax. It would not help the federal deficit.

It would literally eliminate the deficit. 4.5 trillion spending - 4.5 trillion revenue divided as equally as possible per citizen.

 

[Jay59]

It would literally eliminate the deficit. 4.5 trillion spending - 4.5 trillion revenue divided as equally as possible per citizen.

Once. Then it's gone forever. Be careful what bridges you burn.

 

[jonny5]

Once. Then it's gone forever. Be careful what bridges you burn.

Why once? You do it every year. How much do we want to spend, divide that equally among the people.

 

[Jay59]

Why once? You do it every year. How much do we want to spend, divide that equally among the people.

You can tax income every year, but you can only tax wealth until it's gone. That kills the money tree.

 

[RealityNow]

I am tired of the rich getting richer and the rest of us having to work harder to just keep ourselves above water. I am tired of the unfairness of our capitalistic society that allows injustice to occur based exclusively on the power that money brings. I am tired of the few ruling our lives based on their needs and not on the needs of the entire nation.

I remember when things were different here in the USA and all of us, as a nation, worked together to make things better for all, and not just for the benefit of those lucky or talented few. A time all of us could aspire to the "American Dream" and no one was prevented from achieving it if they worked for it. A time where everyone could aspire to own a company and not just work for an all-encompassing big company like Apple, Amazon, Google, or At&T and be tied to them in an inescapable way. A time where money was a secondary issue and not the #1 objective in life.

I miss the time where respect, honor, justice, morals, ethics and humanity meant something and not be something to be ridiculed and thrown away as a weakness and not a strength.

If thinking this way makes me a socialist, then so be it. Nonetheless, in the years when I was young (the 60's through the 80's), this was what all Americans aspired to achieve and none were called socialists then. That was a time when each and every person regardless of economic capability was important. A time we all were Americans, unlike now where those that think like that are called socialists and enemies.

You Said:
"I miss the time where respect, honor, justice, morals, ethics and humanity meant something and not be something to be ridiculed and thrown away as a weakness and not a strength."

The Right Winger Confederates who hide behind the world Conservative within the system of Republicanism, did not want those things to mean anything any longer after the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 when the Dixiecrats took over the Republican Party, to try and roll back Civil Rights, that's when Civil Rights became a Policy and Agenda of The Democratic party, who stood behind promoting those values to INCLUDE Minorities and Women, where respect, honor, justice, morals, ethics and humanity meant something and not be something to be ridiculed and thrown away as a weakness and not a strength.

People seem to forget what we are dealing with... which is Confederate Ideologist who have never given up their agenda of race and gender discrimination and their attacks, and attacks upon the Government, and the aim to attack and deny the principle and values laid out in The Preamble to be for EVERYONE.

The Confederate (Conservative Republicans) would as they do, call anyone and anything that "includes minorities and women" as being socialist and enemies.. Because, they still think "only" whites should enjoy the benefits provided in the decree of The Preamble.

 

[Luckyone]

You Said:
"I miss the time where respect, honor, justice, morals, ethics and humanity meant something and not be something to be ridiculed and thrown away as a weakness and not a strength."

The Right Winger Confederates who hide behind the world Conservative within the system of Republicanism, did not want those things to mean anything any longer after the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 when the Dixiecrats took over the Republican Party, to try and roll back Civil Rights, that's when Civil Rights became a Policy and Agenda of The Democratic party, who stood behind promoting those values to INCLUDE Minorities and Women, where respect, honor, justice, morals, ethics and humanity meant something and not be something to be ridiculed and thrown away as a weakness and not a strength.

People seem to forget what we are dealing with... which is Confederate Ideologist who have never given up their agenda of race and gender discrimination and their attacks, and attacks upon the Government, and the aim to attack and deny the principle and values laid out in The Preamble to be for EVERYONE.

The Confederate (Conservative Republicans) would as they do, call anyone and anything that "includes minorities and women" as being socialist and enemies.. Because, they still think "only" whites should enjoy the benefits provided in the decree of The Preamble.

First of all, you are comparing people from 200 years ago to the ones now. How can you blame someone for what this great grandfather did? Second of all, before you make these blanket statements, you need to show proof of them. Third of all, no one is perfect, meaning you can find fault in everyone if you look. What you need to do is weigh the good with the bad and when there is more good than bad, you go with it and the opposite is true.

Your post is garbage on all 3 points I made.

 

[RealityNow]

First of all, you are comparing people from 200 years ago to the ones now. How can you blame someone for what this great grandfather did? Second of all, before you make these blanket statements, you need to show proof of them. Third of all, no one is perfect, meaning you can find fault in everyone if you look. What you need to do is weigh the good with the bad and when there is more good than bad, you go with it and the opposite is true.

Your post is garbage on all 3 points I made.

You might think such if that makes appeases you, but you can't explain the people promoting the Confederate Flag...when The Confederacy was Treasonous Against The United States of America and America's Governance and The Principles of Democracy. (That was not 200 yrs ago, it was 56 yrs ago since the former Confederate Ideology set the structure of Segregation in place a 156 yrs ago.)
Second: Generations pass down Ideology, and its only been 56 yrs since Segregation, and many of the people in that age range were born during that time, as well as many are parents and grandparents to people today.
Third: If you understand the principles of people attacking the same values you wrote about, but did not attack those values during Segregation, then that tells its own story of how those Ideologies have influenced as well as some have carried over.

Now, that does not mean all white people are still embracing Jim Crow Values, nor does it mean that all Republicans embrace those values. But if you look at what Conservative claim to support... which they say, "Smaller Government" and "Less Tax"... and Managed Spending... You will see that Republican as a Party have repeatedly crashed the economy, and they support spending on 'anything that benefits corporate agenda" and attack anything that helps people, including the fact they detest any Government Resources helping Independent and Small Business, but they have absolutely no problem with Government Spending and Allocating Funds to Corporation.

You have Republican who have consistently attack HUD Block Grant Funding, which helps Rural, Country, and Cities Large and Small. It Helps People, it has an arm that helps working class families with FHA Home Loans, its monies to cities help fix and repair roads, it helps with urban renewal as well as Affordable Housing.

You attack the post because you think it is pointing to white people in general, (which is it not).. its referencing what History has groomed for 100 yrs, as well as the people who moved on past that grooming and support the same things you said were now lacking.

See, its sad when "white people" as yourself, want to dismiss something when it points to white people, even when its not talking about "all" white people.

You should look at the history of "Right To Work Laws" and The States that adopted it, and the History of Union Busting, which went into overdrive after the passage of the Civil Rights Acts, because that was a point that women and minorities could get class and craft and the pay that goes with it, which would put them on par with the historical benefits white males gained from "Class and Craft Union Jobs"... and when it was dominated by white men, "The National Mantra Was"... Union Jobs provide a pathway to "Middle Class Living Standards".... You could also go back further and learn about "Black Codes"

You want to Lean Right, when details are put in the mix, but you claim independent... yet you wrote about "Liberal Principles'... but when you see the words discuss the segments of white society... you go all the way right... as if you negate the very things you started talking about.

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In the 1960 election, Johnson did not cater to regional prejudices. He endorsed civil rights, if vaguely, in nearly every speech in the South. Once in office, Johnson did not alter his course. "Until justice is blind to color, until education is unaware of race, until opportunity is unconcerned with the color of men's skins, emancipation will be a proclamation but not a fact."
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[jonny5]

You can tax income every year, but you can only tax wealth until it's gone. That kills the money tree.

Wealth is constantly created. So it wouldnt be gone. Youre ultimately only taxing a percentage of the wealth created every year about, 18%. Obviously if someone makes so little that they couldnt afford their fair share of taxes, there would need to be an alternative option. Something like 18% of income up to a cap of say 20k per person in taxes.

 

[RealityNow]

Money Was "MADE TO CIRCULATE"... As long as people are alive an economy will exist and MONEY WILL CIRCULATE - There is NO MONEY TREE.... what is of matter is the wealthy who Hoard Money and Those who Shuttle It Offshore in things like they Cayman's, Swiss Banks and Other Places they can bury money, all of such results to damages the system of Currency Circulation In America.

When People A Paid More, they also pay more taxes, which by the principles of design, that is the design for balance between the cost of living standards as well as the cost of government to support people wanting improved standards in Government Supported Programming.

America's issue has been "the systems that chose outsourcing" instead of ensuring American People worked in earned on part with each other and support the American Production of the Greater % of What Americans Consume.

It was not only Outsourcing that Damaged The Dynamics'... its Giving Up The Supply Chain, thinking America could continue to control foreign productions of supply chain goods. What America did not consider by those who promoted the Outsourcing, (Which Richard Nixon, promoted severe damage to America, with his Promoting Ore Process To Be Outsourced To China, and Much Else Followed.

It also caused great damage to the system of Unions, because it weakened the Steel Workers Unions and Over The Course Of Years.... DAMAGED The Rust Belt, and by the mid 1970's we were seeing every kind of Machine Shop and Smelting and Manufacturing of Ore based products...
We saw every kind of metal works close and people lost jobs by the 10's of thousands. By late 1970's we saw the CLOSURE of American Tire Companies on American Soil; I recall Good Year Plants Close, Firestone Plants Close...

By the 1980's Foreign Made Tires had gained a big inroad into America. But By the Mid-1980 American saw things like Honda go from the small Honda Civics, to an array of vehicles, followed by Mitsubishi and Datsun,

When all this carnage took place, we watched Financial Messes, such as Home Saving and Loan followed by the System of Saving and Loans, become one of the biggest Federal Bail Out of that Era. People seem not to want to remember those facts.

These were signals of a decline in American Industrial and Household Income, We watched Ronald Reagan do 8 different Tax Hikes, where mortgage interest rates were above 10%, and Stripping Funds from Community Colleges, and State Universities, which sent For Profit University Cost Skyrocketing. It caused a dumbing down in America, because education was not so accessible to the working class, by the late 1980's Vocational and Technical School Programs took a massive hit, as their cost increased far above the income levels of earnings.

Union Busting Hit A Point... of no return when Reagan did what he did to the Air Traffic Controllers, and Deregulated Airlines, which saw many Airlines Suffer Failure.. This impacted everything within the chains connected to Airlines, including leading to the demise of Eastern Airlines, TWA Airlines and Pan Am Airlines... some routes were salvaged by United, America and Delta...

United and America began to Focus Primarily on "International Travel", by the 1990's they had stopped the larger planes from flying domestic routes and only flew them from Hub to Hub... and Low Cost Carriers came in as a Feeder System for Hubs... and Coastal Hubs became focused on being International Focused.
By 1990's we were mass importers of "EVERYTHING"!!!!!!

We flat out gave up on building Technology Products in America!!! We flat out gave up on building Appliance Products in America!!! We flat out gave up on creating Textile Products in America!!! We flat out gave up on making our own clothes and shoes in America!!! and then we severely damaged "Furniture Building" in America... and these are only a small list of a few things.

We ignored our Farmers, and the various Products that Rural American Produced, until we began to import fruits and vegetables. California at one time had an economy far larger than many Foreign Nations, and Again, Republican fights against Environment Protections, saw Aerospace leave California, Our South lost the ability to promote Farming as a National Security Interest.

The American People became some absorbed with Disposable Goods... and Particle Board home furnishing, until we bought anything that was covered with shiny plastic. Every Type and Kid of Repair Shop CLOSED; costing Millions upon Millions of Job losses. We failed to invest in those shops modernizing to be able to stem the flood of disposable goods, and we refused to repair them... because wage was so low, people could trash goods and replace them with more cheap non durable short life cycle goods.

 

[RealityNow]

Money Was "MADE TO CIRCULATE"...

We lost the ability for our Dollars To:
"CIRCULATE SEVERAL TIMES IN CITIES AND COMMUNITIES BEFORE IT LEFT COMMUNITIES !!!!!!!!!!!!!"

AMERICAN PEOPLE, BOUGHT INTO THE LIE THAT WE CAN'T COMPETE
​

As A Result... We began to pay a price for low quality foreign produced goods, that was at a cost factor AS IF it was produced by American Wage Earning Income Level.
When fact is... all that did was lead companies to go from functioning at 30% -50-60% Profit Margins... to 300% and Over Profit Margins... But that did not translate into Higher Wages for Americans... It resulted in American being stripped of Job Benefits... Pension Plans Abandoned... and Corporations Started Counting Their Profit in $BILLIONS..... All the while Americans resulted to get a Minimum Wage that equals no more than it cost to House and Feed A Slave which was no more than the Equal of what was paid to poor working class whites.... It was INSUFFICIENT TO SUPPORT THE STANDARD OF LIVING COST...

RESULT: Everything in America began to Decline. America started Promoting University Degree Rides as being More Important than the people who actually did the work of manufacturing productions. These same Degree Riders Pushed To Increase Their Wage and Demand A Stagnation of Working Class Peoples Wages.

We abandoned "O.J.T." (On The Job Training)... And the Degree Riders began to Bury Company After Company in Higher and Higher Debt, and The Merger's and Acquisition Began to Kill Competition and in doing so packed on more debt... and put more people out of work, and as they sold off the parts... the Merger's DIMINISHED the support industries ability to make and sell products. (Again, costing Millions of Job Losses)... The loss of Competetive Industry, resulted in More Importation of Imported Parts and Imported Goods..... and Now ... we can't survive without 'Imported Goods"....

The Over All Result

We Increased Our National Debt... Until we are not over $27,000.000.000.000 in Debt

We can no longer even balance Our Annual Budget, we are at a Short fall of more than $3,000,000,000,000

We have more than $170,000,000,000,000 of Unfunded Obligations.


Let That Truth Sink In !!!!!

We DON'T have time for Divisiveness in America... We NEED to Unify to Rebuild and Do So Better For Our Future. ​

 

[eohrnberger]

So government mandated equality of outcomes, regardless of decisions and actions the individual makes / does.
Isn't this government promotion of mediocrity? I mean if you remove the reward for doing more and succeeding, isn't this what you are going to get? Mediocrity?
What's the reward for exceeding mediocrity? Penalties / punishment?

A 'wealth tax'? A tax on net worth?
Isn't the 'message' being sent by this that the government will punish / penalize you if you are successful? When the government decides you've been too successful?

Positively Soviet thinking.

 

[RealityNow]

So government mandated equality of outcomes, regardless of decisions and actions the individual makes / does.
Isn't this government promotion of mediocrity? I mean if you remove the reward for doing more and succeeding, isn't this what you are going to get? Mediocrity?
What's the reward for exceeding mediocrity? Penalties / punishment?

A 'wealth tax'? A tax on net worth?
Isn't the 'message' being sent by this that the government will punish / penalize you if you are successful? When the government decides you've been too successful?

Positively Soviet thinking.

That's NOTHING MORE THAN RIGHT WING DRAMA SPINNER TALKING AGENDA.... IT HAS NO BASIS IN ANYTHING BUT THE PROMOTION OF WEALTHY, "NOT" PAYING TAXES, AND "NOT" RE-INVESTING IN AMERCA AND AMERICAN PEOPLE.

Learning more could be beneficial to Right Winger Conservative Mentality, IF they were willing to Learn Truth, rather than spin fear filled drama antics.​

 

[RealityNow]

So government mandated equality of outcomes, regardless of decisions and actions the individual makes / does.
Isn't this government promotion of mediocrity? I mean if you remove the reward for doing more and succeeding, isn't this what you are going to get? Mediocrity?
What's the reward for exceeding mediocrity? Penalties / punishment?

A 'wealth tax'? A tax on net worth?
Isn't the 'message' being sent by this that the government will punish / penalize you if you are successful? When the government decides you've been too successful?

Positively Soviet thinking.

The Greatest Period of Wealth Growth and Upward Mobility of The Working Class, was during the Era when Corporate Tax Was The Highest.

It was a time, when Corporation paid their taxes, and how they got Tax Relief, was by doing exactly what the Stock Market Was Designed To Do...
WHICH WAS: Invest in RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT, MANAGED GROWTH, AND FUNCTIONING BY NUMBER BASED ON ACTUAL PRODUCTION AND ACTUAL SALES.

When Companies No Longer Needed To Invest to get Tax Relief, they chose to No Longer Invest in:
RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT, MANAGED GROWTH, AND FUNCTIONING BY NUMBER BASED ON ACTUAL PRODUCTION AND ACTUAL SALES !!!!
They DID NOT invest in Growth In America... They invested in Growth In Production on Foreign Shores... They Hide Money Around The World, waiting on the next low wage nation to opens its doors....

It does not take a University Education to know these things, it simply takes reading and investing time to research out facts. It's all documented.

America thought it could be the dominant administrator and dominant financial systems manager over S.E. Asian and China's Production... WHAT AMERCAN WEALTHY WHITE MEN DID NOT COUNT ON ... Was the Impact that the Computer would have, WHEN The computer became wide spread in usage... Countries could administer their own business and manage their own financial affairs with the same efficieny in all location....THEN came the Internet and Database Driven Information System.....
Countries in S.E. Asia began to use them to manage their own affairs, as did China and Every Other Emerging Country's Economy. NOW, INFORMATION USAGE is "Key" in All Places... Therefore, NO Longer... is the America Voice the only one speaking, nor is it any-longer the Dominant Voice that others submit unto.

It's a New World... and America will have to Raise Income, and it will have to Tax Corporate Profits, and in doing so, return to a time where Corporations can get Tax Relief, by INVESTING IN ... Research and Development, Managed Growth, and Respecting the System of Production and Sales Reporting with a focus on Accuracy.

Anyone with Common Sense about Finance, knows that NO SYSTEM can Boast About "Breaking Stock Ticker Numbers", when it does not meet the Truth of Seeing Spiraling Debt and Increasing Inability to Meet the Annual Budget without increasing Debt.
IF the Stock Market was True Realism based on Fact... We'd be carrying a Budget Surpluses and the surplus would increase EVERY TIME, the Markets Claim it has broken another Upwards Record. Not only that, we've have Strong Companies, within Strong Cities and Strong Communities and People would have an Income Ratio, that supports Homeowners, Education, Health Care and All the Necessities and Attributes to Meet with the Purported Concept of American Standard of Living.

Fact is: Republicanism's Policy will NEVER, get us to a point of having strong Companies, within Strong Cities and Strong Communities and People to have an Income Ratio that supports Homeowners, Education, Health Care and All the Necessities and Attributes to Meet with the Purported Concept of American Standard of Living.

 

[eohrnberger]

The Greatest Period of Wealth Growth and Upward Mobility of The Working Class, was during the Era when Corporate Tax Was The Highest.

It was a time, when Corporation paid their taxes, and how they got Tax Relief, was by doing exactly what the Stock Market Was Designed To Do...
WHICH WAS: Invest in RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT, MANAGED GROWTH, AND FUNCTIONING BY NUMBER BASED ON ACTUAL PRODUCTION AND ACTUAL SALES.

When Companies No Longer Needed To Invest to get Tax Relief, they chose to No Longer Invest in:
RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT, MANAGED GROWTH, AND FUNCTIONING BY NUMBER BASED ON ACTUAL PRODUCTION AND ACTUAL SALES !!!!
They DID NOT invest in Growth In America... They invested in Growth In Production on Foreign Shores... They Hide Money Around The World, waiting on the next low wage nation to opens its doors....

It does not take a University Education to know these things, it simply takes reading and investing time to research out facts. It's all documented.

America thought it could be the dominant administrator and dominant financial systems manager over S.E. Asian and China's Production... WHAT AMERCAN WEALTHY WHITE MEN DID NOT COUNT ON ... Was the Impact that the Computer would have, WHEN The computer became wide spread in usage... Countries could administer their own business and manage their own financial affairs with the same efficieny in all location....THEN came the Internet and Database Driven Information System.....
Countries in S.E. Asia began to use them to manage their own affairs, as did China and Every Other Emerging Country's Economy. NOW, INFORMATION USAGE is "Key" in All Places... Therefore, NO Longer... is the America Voice the only one speaking, nor is it any-longer the Dominant Voice that others submit unto.

It's a New World... and America will have to Raise Income, and it will have to Tax Corporate Profits, and in doing so, return to a time where Corporations can get Tax Relief, by INVESTING IN ... Research and Development, Managed Growth, and Respecting the System of Production and Sales Reporting with a focus on Accuracy.

Anyone with Common Sense about Finance, knows that NO SYSTEM can Boast About "Breaking Stock Ticker Numbers", when it does not meet the Truth of Seeing Spiraling Debt and Increasing Inability to Meet the Annual Budget without increasing Debt.
IF the Stock Market was True Realism based on Fact... We'd be carrying a Budget Surpluses and the surplus would increase EVERY TIME, the Markets Claim it has broken another Upwards Record. Not only that, we've have Strong Companies, within Strong Cities and Strong Communities and People would have an Income Ratio, that supports Homeowners, Education, Health Care and All the Necessities and Attributes to Meet with the Purported Concept of American Standard of Living.

Fact is: Republicanism's Policy will NEVER, get us to a point of having strong Companies, within Strong Cities and Strong Communities and People to have an Income Ratio that supports Homeowners, Education, Health Care and All the Necessities and Attributes to Meet with the Purported Concept of American Standard of Living.

Correlation is not causation.

The US was benefiting from the post WW II era boom (yes, all the way into the 60's), not because the taxes were high, it was because of economic growth, as the US was the only major manufacturing nation which didn't have all it's factories bombed out, and there was great international demand for good those years.

Is this not the more likely reason behind the economic growth and the creation of the US middle class?

 

[RealityNow]

Correlation is not causation.

The US was benefiting from the post WW II era boom (yes, all the way into the 60's), not because the taxes were high, it was because of economic growth, as the US was the only major manufacturing nation which didn't have all it's factories bombed out, and there was great international demand for good those years.

Is this not the more likely reason behind the economic growth and the creation of the US middle class?

That certainly is a factor.... but you have to look at what happened after 1969......

Look deeper into Correlation vs Causation

 

[eohrnberger]

That certainly is a factor.... but you have to look at what happened after 1969......

Lots happened during '69 and after. What are you referring to specifically?

 

[RealityNow]

Lots happened during '69 and after. What are you referring to specifically?

I already wrote it out in Post # 162 followed by Post # 163

 

[eohrnberger]

I already wrote it out in Post # 162 followed by Post # 163

Quite a tome there. Going to be awhile until I can give it the time and attention it deserves. I may get back to you on that.