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I think grievances about impartiality are illegitimate.
There is no law being violated, by the lack of a jury.
Perhaps we were violating international law before we corrected, I don't know.
Since we are not signatories to the ICC, there is no body that could prosecute us.
...of nations negatively affected by socialism. I need to build a platform that indicates as proof to the naive as to why socialism is a failed political concept.
Mexico. Venezuela. California.
I sincerely appreciate your perspective. I have trouble imagining what Berlin was like at that time. I also have trouble imagining how someone who lived through that would approve of the government administering their health care. You have my best wishes that your leaders remain benevolent.
This is not a matter of guilt or innocence. Let me give you my perspective this way:
If I suspect that you murdered my brother, as a human right, I owe you the presumption of innocence unless/until I can prove you are guilty.
If I suspect that you and a group of your friends present an immediate mortal danger to my brother, as a human right, I owe it to my brother to get any information you have out of you in order to save his life.
For me, this is a "fair's fair" situation. If a US citizen were being held in another country as an unlawful combatant, I would want to see an objective third party making the determination if this status was legit. I wouldn't want the country that is holding this perosn making the determination. Even if the countries system was impartial, there would always be doubts becuase they have a vested interest in the decision.
The lack of tribunals was a major violation of the geneva conventions. Even if they really were unlawful combatants, the fac tthat there was doubt to whether or not they fit into the descriptions form article 4, meant they were to be afforded the same treatment until such timeas a competent tribunal determined their status.
Here is the pertinent artcle of the Geneva convetions:
"Should any doubt arise as to whether persons, having committed a belligerent act and having fallen into the hands of the enemy, belong to any of the categories enumerated in Article 4, such persons shall enjoy the protection of the present Convention until such time as their status has been determined by a competent tribunal."
There's really no doubt that the US violated that portion of the conventions while those tribunals were withheld.
There is one body that can prosecute... the US government.
If the international law is agreed to by the US by way of treaty, it becomes US federal law.
You might be surprised, but from what I know, public healthcare and social welfare nets are among the things even a large majority of East Germans believes were the few good things in communist East Germany.
Aha. And who has the authority to do that?
I can't imagine how you get there, but I'm not surprised that you do. Maybe like a slave whose old master beat him. Food and shelter is a good thing, as long as my master doesn't beat me. I don't say that to be condescending. It's the only way I can put it together from my perspective.
I will always reserve the right to do horrible things to anyone who threatens my friends and family.
It's sort of a gray area, I'll admit. Still not the same as torturing my political enemies because they pose a threat to my position of power.
I don't think that's the case. It's probably more because they are convinced that in a civilized country, everybody, regardless if rich or poor, should have the right on proper medical treatment and denying necessary treatment to some people, just because they have no money to pay for it, would be inhumane and not worthy of a civilized society.
Personally, I believe too that the benefits of a public system by far outweight the disadvantages. It's just a matter of fairness. When I am in good times, I show my compassion to those who are currently unlucky by giving them some money to support their health. In return, they will support me in days when I'm broke. I like the increase of safety that comes with this solidarity: When I get fired or lose money, I don't need to feel the constant fear that an illness might cost me my entire existence or even my life. That's a lot. My quality of life increases substantially, because there are less existential fears.
And frankly, I don't really see other reasons for people to refuse such a system, except greed and lack of compassion. But maybe you can explain to me why this isn't the case.
It's one thing when you do that. Of course you may keep such a threat in check, then you probably call the police and hand them over. But it's a completely different thing when the government systematically ignores basic law standards.
Actually, I don't think it was a violation. Persons held were afforded the protections of the Convention prior to the tribunals.
Right. Why didn't they prosecute?
Actually, many of them weren't. There were numerous supreme court cases about it.
Some people were prosecuted.
Then once again our system worked.
Venezuela is a mixed issue, theres alot of negative news. However, combating illiteracy, overall education, and bottom of the line poverty have come a long way under Chavez. Venezuela was a ****hole when it wasnt socialist.
And I'll bet you think the same about Cuba, right???
If Batista was so fantastic, why was there a revolution?
:lol: So you're saying 82 people managed to overthrow a dictator without support from the population?LOL!!
Yu think it was "the people" who staged that revolution?
It was the communists. The Castro's have been able to run Cuba as their private island for decades now while the Cuban people suffer.
You're right of course, the only thing that's changed is the literacy rate.
It is so very sad when I read comments like this. Despite all the information available, despite the voices of all those who managed to escape and survive, there are still people out there believing the Communist propaganda of 40 years ago. There has to be some sort of scientific explanation for this phenomena.
:lol: So you're saying 82 people managed to overthrow a dictator without support from the population?
Where did you get the idea that 82 people overthrew the Batista government?
It's very sad when people are blinded by their own partisanship that they read critiscism of Batistas regime as support for the Castros.
So you denounce Castro and the Communists?
Why didn't you just say so then rather than mentioning Batista??
The revolution started with 82 people sailing over on the Granma.Where did you get the idea that 82 people overthrew the Batista government?
So you denounce Castro and the Communists?
Why didn't you just say so then rather than mentioning Batista??
The revolution started with 82 people sailing over on the Granma.
Yes, I said that because your statement seemed to imply that the commies had made Cuba worse, rather than just more of the same.
The Commies did make it worse. Hundreds of times worse!
It became a slave camp!
OK I just noticed you're from Australian and may not have had the opportunity to speak to any Cuban people who managed to escape.
Best you avoid debating the subject then.
Please, enlighten me, just how were things more peachy under Batista?
Honestly, I don't have the patience for this sort of thing but it was very peachy that, at a minimum, people were allowed the freedom to leave. That is a very basic human right that the Castro family, at the threat of death, denied the Cuban people.
Please, enlighten me, just how were things more peachy under Batista?
It's just a movie, so take this with a grain of salt, but rent "The Lost City" some time. It's a tad slow, but the music is cool and it's about that time period in Cuba.
There's also some interesting info towards the bottom of this article:
Movie Critics Aghast at Andy Garcia's 'The Lost City'
"before Castro came to town, Cuba took in more immigrants (primarily from Europe) as a percentage of population than the U.S. And more Americans lived in Cuba than Cubans in the U.S. Furthermore, inner tubes were used in truck tires, oil drums for oil, and Styrofoam for insulation. None were cherished black market items for use as flotation devices to flee the glorious liberation while fighting off hammerheads and tiger sharks."
So did the US to black people for 100 years... just saying, not much of an argument or excuse.
Oh and the only reason you back a dictator is that he was a "friend" of the US, and especially the Mafia. Sure he tortured, murdered and raped his own people, but he was "our" bastard no?
Something to ponder
How much of Cuba's current problems are due to the embargo from the US
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