I am embarrassed to be an American

[SheWolf]

Some are yes though I believe a green card and permanent status is required to be eligible for citizenship and then you have to be here for five or more years if I remember right. I do not believe anybody here on a visa is considered to have permanent status. Those whose visa is nearing expiration must apply for an extension or a green card to legally stay. Except for a few very narrow exceptions, I don't believe anybody here on an expired visa can apply for a green card. They must leave the country and re-enter legally to get one.

Remember that people who have been arrested as terrorists or terrorist activities who are in the country on visas--some obtained legally and some not so legally.

Crossing Borders - How Terrorists Use Fake Passports, Visas & Other Identity Documents | PBS - Trail Of A Terrorist | FRONTLINE | PBS

Al Qaeda in Kentucky: US May Have Let 'Dozens' of Terrorists Into Country as Refugees - ABC News

I understand that your husband is a concern, but honestly the moratorium is for 90-days and only involves people traveling from seven countries identified by the Obama Administration as terrorist hotbeds. Just three months. And if he is a green card holder, he has absolutely nothing to fear now or later.

If he is traveling to one of those seven countries, I would be terrified of what he might face THERE. . .and not whether he will be able to come home.

Green card holders were detained and denied reentry to the US. That's not right.

 

[calamity]

Meet Betsy DeVos, Trump's Secretary of Education Nominee : snopes.com

I believe in intelligent design and I also believe in evolution. So did Einstein.

I would bet a good steak dinner that Betsy Devos does too.

Einstein wasn't a biologist.

 

[Fishking]

It sure is a mother****er when that pendulum the liberals pushed so far to the left starts to swing back the other way.

Yeah...but it's just gonna swing back the other way even further next time. Not sure how to slow it down.

 

[AlbqOwl]

Green card holders were detained and denied reentry to the US. That's not right.

That is true. It was clumsy and should have been thought through better. But neither were green card holders evicted and the rough spots to the rollout are being ironed out.

Did you not think Obama should have time to fix the terrible rollout of Obamacare? Was it fair to assume that Obama wanted it to be as bad as it was? Why not give Trump the same benefit of the doubt?

 

[NoLeftNoRight]

Yeah...but it's just gonna swing back the other way even further next time. Not sure how to slow it down.

Agreed. It is escalating with each swing. Eventually there will be more swinging than the pendulum.

 

[AlbqOwl]

Einstein wasn't a biologist.

But he certainly was a scientist and I would bet a very expensive state dinner that he was a hell of a lot smarter than you or me.

 

[roughdraft274]

That is true. It was clumsy and should have been thought through better. But neither were green card holders evicted and the rough spots to the rollout are being ironed out.

Did you not think Obama should have time to fix the terrible rollout of Obamacare? Was it fair to assume that Obama wanted it to be as bad as it was? Why not give Trump the same benefit of the doubt?

Fair point. Except that they had actually put effort into the Obama care roll out and it was a much more momentous task. Trump merely needed to run the idea by some people that weren't ****ing morons. Big difference.

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[calamity]

But he certainly was a scientist and I would bet a very expensive state dinner that he was a hell of a lot smarter than you or me.

Lots of fossils have been found between 1940-whatever and today. Just saying.

 

[AlbqOwl]

Fair point. Except that they had actually put effort into the Obama care roll out and it was a much more momentous task. Trump merely needed to run the idea by some people that weren't ****ing morons. Big difference.

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Had he done that thousands more people would likely have been here without proper vetting. What he did was not reckless but it was communicated poorly and they did miss a couple of wrinkles that were unnecessary. They are unlikely to make the same mistake again.

 

[Fishking]

Agreed. It is escalating with each swing. Eventually there will be more swinging than the pendulum.

Yup...I guess the best I can hope for being on the winning team, right? I have thought about buying a Hobbit hold house in New Zealand, though. They look cozy.

 

[AlbqOwl]

Lots of fossils have been found between 1940-whatever and today. Just saying.

Which reinforces the evolution that both Betsy Devos and I believe in.

 

[calamity]

Which reinforces the evolution that both Betsy Devos and I believe in.

Link on Betsy accepting we evolved from apes and came out of Africa. I doubt she would admit that, even if she did believe it.

 

[AlbqOwl]

Link on Betsy accepting we evolved from apes and came out of Africa. I doubt she would admit that, even if she did believe it.

And I bet she would. But you're the one raising the issue. Why don't you link on something other than hate sites that would prove she doesn't believe in evolution?

 

[Eric7216]

Trump and the last three POTUS all had a cringe factor. Somehow we have survived more or less intact.

 

[SayMyName]

I am 56 years old and I have seen my share of politicians (from both sides of the isle) that were elected to POTUS that I considered to be not worthy of the job.

I thought I had seen really bad before but things are looking terrible now.

I however am completely embarrassed to be an American; why? The current POTUS Trump.

Never in my dreams would I have imagined in my life time someone that retains the office that is so immature, impetuous, impulsive, petty, divisive, and behaves in such an un-presidential manner as Trump. It truly is beyond the pall.

I cannot even watch or listen to the news any longer; I am truly embarrassed to be an American and I do not state that flippantly.

The 'cringe' factor is off the scale .......... am I the only American that feels this?

It has only been two weeks.

God help US .......

Interesting. I am on record here on this forum giving the benefit of the doubt to Obama all too many times. Never thought the world was going to end. Never left my job to protest in the streets. Never threw rocks. Never filled my Facebook posts with annoying messages of hate about every little action he made that I believed to be against what I felt deep down inside. Even though, I believe much of the mess we now see in the middle east, eastern Europe, and elsewhere was fostered, even funded, by many of his decisions. So, it is not only incredulous to me to see the vehement hatred, the calls for outright rebellion, coming from some sectors of our society, especially much of which relies so much on the public dole, that is, our tax dollars. He is the President. And just like Obama, and the clown before him, I will give Trump the allowance to administer the office of the executive. I will also support any strong measures to prosecute any threats to order and stability in our nation. If it is time to put up the shield wall and fight, lets get it done.

 

[devildavid]

Meet Betsy DeVos, Trump's Secretary of Education Nominee : snopes.com

I believe in intelligent design and I also believe in evolution. So did Einstein.

I would bet a good steak dinner that Betsy Devos does too.

Intelligent design can only be a belief. Evolution is not a belief. Science is not a belief system.

 

[calamity]

And I bet she would. But you're the one raising the issue. Why don't you link on something other than hate sites that would prove she doesn't believe in evolution?

From the most hated site in the alternative fact universe, NYT.

Ms. DeVos is a chip off the old block. At a 2001 gathering of conservative Christian philanthropists, she singled out education reform as a way to “advance God’s kingdom.” In an interview, she and her husband, Richard DeVos Jr., said that school choice would lead to “greater kingdom gain.”

The evangelical pastor and broadcaster D. James Kennedy, whose Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church is a beneficiary of DeVos largess, said in a 1986 sermon that children in public education were being “brainwashed in Godless secularism.” More recently, in 2005, he told followers to “exercise godly dominion” over “every aspect and institution of human society,” including the government.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/13/opinion/betsy-devos-and-gods-plan-for-schools.html?_r=0

Translation: Intelligent design good; man evolved from apes with no intervention from an imaginary god, not so much.

 

[calamity]

Intelligent design can only be a belief. Evolution is not a belief. Science is not a belief system.

I was waiting to pounce on that little inconsistency once she dug in a bit deeper with her "I believe in both ID and Evolution" argument. I bet she won't agree that we evolved from apes without any intervention from mysterious gods.

 

[NoLeftNoRight]

most lefties are far more dependent on who is in charge of the government because lefties-by definition, are more dependent on the government and more apt to see the government as a mother goddess. So when the government is held by non-lefties, left-wingers tend to be far more agitated than us on the right who see the government is a necessary evil and is held by the collectivist side of the aisle

So true. Whenever there's a new regulation, I've seen lefties at some forums jump to preach the virtues of giving up personal freedom for government control in favor of some stupid regulations.
Did you know there were actually many "liberals" who backed Bloomberg's call for NewYork city limits on the size and type of drinks you could purchase?
In addition to dependence, they seem to have this strange notion that more control over individuals lives makes for a better society. Speaks for the mentality of those who think that way.

 

[AlbqOwl]

From the most hated site in the alternative fact universe, NYT.



Translation: Intelligent design good; man evolved from apes with no intervention from an imaginary god, not so much.

Hmm. I didn't translate it that way at all. I have made much of the same kinds of arguments re public education. And I sure have NEVER questioned whether evolution was a fact.

 

[calamity]

Hmm. I didn't translate it that way at all. I have made much of the same kinds of arguments re public education. And I sure have NEVER questioned whether evolution was a fact.

I'm sure you missed the obvious in those two quotes. Us atheists certainly know what "advancing God's kingdom" and "brainwashed in Godless secularism" means when someone is talking about education reform.

BTW: do you advocate teaching intelligent design in public schools?

 

[year2late]

Trump is an infected running sore on the rectum of the body politic. In good time, it will be lanced and the body can begin making a complete recovery.

But I think to lance it, you need to see the ultrasound first and the lancer has to have admitting privileges at a full service hospital within 30 miles.

 

[calamity]

Damn lying Mainstream Media hiding the Bowling Green Massacre from the American People. I am so embarrassed. We need more of Kellyanne Conway's alternative facts.


They make my day.

Tomorrow she'll reveal "facts" about the secretive Great St Louis Tsunami.

 

[scatt]

Trump is an infected running sore on the rectum of the body politic. In good time, it will be lanced and the body can begin making a complete recovery.

You spelled Obama wrong. Any response by you to this will be taken as an agreement.

 

[calamity]

You spelled Obama wrong. Any response by you to this will be taken as an agreement.

Obama never invented a massacre. :roll: