I’m hoping, and I still have hope, that it’s simply that you just don’t get it.

[ModernDiogenes]

The Democrats keep trying to violate the Second Amendment.

My food processor doesn’t mince very well anymore. That has nothing to do with having a run in with a murder hornet.

Stop conflating. Deal with separate problems separately.

Donald Trump protects me from the Democrats.

He dies no such thing. What he does is remove things from your person by fraud, like all grifters do. Your money, your democratic republic, etc. You are being fleeced by a professional con man, and like most marks you don’t even know, until you go to look for what was your Constitutional government and it is now gone.

I will continue to vote for Republicans.

Vote for who you want but Trump is not a Republican. He’s a crook currently wearing a Republican costume. He’ll change that if it suits his grift. Trump steals for a living. Ask his brother’s kids. Ask the wives, that are still living. Sal any of the 4000+ people/entities who’ve sued him for breaking his word. Ask his bankers, insurers, the State of New York.

You’re in full association with a low life. What does that make you? That’s what you need to be asking yourself.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

The first step in healing is in admitting to the problem. Clearly, the left is in denial and don't realize the things they are doing, but continue down the same path. Just so you know, the democrats and MSM are not on a higher moral road.

I didn’t claim anyone in Fed politics is clean. I’m from the, “They All Suck”, school of thought. However I am a DISCERNING person so I note variations in equivalence. Trump is a darker, more criminal, vastly more fraudulent being than your average political hack. That’s not opinion. It’s clearly defined by his very public record.

Trump is a public figure. So are federal pols. It’s quite easy to do a side by side. Tell me what other Congress critters or former POTUS’s have a record of stealing with a charitable foundation or a fraudulent university? Trump is the new low. You folks want to make him the new normal. Not good. Things are bad enough.

I'm just thinking of all the support from the left on an old corrupt pervert who showered with his daughter, smells kids hair, plays with their fake boobies, admitted to the quid pro quo with Ukraine, who's family took in monies from nations across the globe for access.....but here you are now, lol.

If you can look at Biden and Trump and not DISCERN an equivalency variance then that’s the problem in the nutshell. You wouldn’t see one between the shoplifter at CVS and Gotti either. Biden is the shoplifter. Trump is Gotti. Actually admits it. Admires the man. Wanted to be like him. Turns out, he has more in common with Gotti than you MAGA folk care to see. It is a matter of DISCERNMENT.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

I support the official actions in the office. The man's character occupying it has never been an issue for anybody else at any other time in history.

That’s simply not a factual statement.

Bad people, when tested by circumstance, are apt to do the wrong thing. It’s in their nature.

Good people, when tested by circumstance, are apt to do the right thing.

I give you the example of Pence. Perfect example. A weasel standard issue political hack, but at his core a good person. When push came to shove and right and wring were on the line in a very real way, Pence did the right, Constitutional, thing.

Trump wouldn’t have. If fact, it was he who wanted to have Pence nullify an Electoral College vote.

Proof is in the public record and the DISCERNMENT of its historical findings. Trumps record paints an accurate picture of who he is.

 

[Toggle Almendro]

Stop conflating. Deal with separate problems separately.

There is only one problem: The Democrats are maliciously trying to violate my civil liberties for no reason.

He dies no such thing.

That is incorrect. Trump protects me from the Democrats.

You’re in full association with a low life. What does that make you? That’s what you need to be asking yourself.

I ask myself who will protect me from the Democrats.

Trump will protect me from the Democrats.

 

[Luce]

made a pandemic a political issue,

The irony here is unprecedented.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

No I don't get why there's a special consideration just for this guy and everybody else gets pass.

I’m not giving anyone a pass. I’m noting differences in equivalence you folks are refusing to DISCERN.

The actions he does in office or the one that I'm concerned about.

That you think that (it’s called situational ethics) is decidedly part of the problem. Wrong is wrong. If he lives a wring personal life the guy is a bad person. He’ll carry that into any place he is. If he lives a wring professional life he’s a bad person. He take that with him..etc.

Trump is a bad person. He’s been unethical in his personal life. He’s been unethical in his business life. Why do you not DISCERN he’ll be unethical in his political life. Especially with everything he’s doing right before your eyes, or do you not see the crypto fraud and the scam of the real estate backdoor quid pro quo deals with foreign Princes?

So if people don't agree with you they're just wrong why not just say you're God.

If my claiming to be someone who uses facts to DISCERN matters of import equivalent to claiming “godhood”, we can see evidence of what very well could be the problem. (Sorry, but you went there not me)

 

[ElChupacabra]

Trump is a bad person. Sorry, that’s simply a truthful statement born out but the very public, well documented, actual facts of the very public record.

He’s literally stolen hundreds of millions from tens of thousands of victims. He didn’t use a gun. He used lies, deceit, fraud. His tools were a bogus charity and university among other things. If you or I did such things we’d rightly be serving prison time for them. Trump, if he was where justice says he ought to be, could never be President. He’d have died in prison where Bernie Madoff, a similar unethical human being, wound up.

You MAGA folk need to know, because it’s true, if you knowingly support this behavior in leadership that there is something off in your character and personal ethics.

Im sorry, Hate me for saying so but I don’t say it out of hate. Not even dislike. You don’t try to save people you hate or dislike.

I’m hoping it’s just that you have gotten so bogged down in this us vs them thing that you’ve missed this very real, valid, point. That there is a battle of right vs. wrong, good vs. evil, ethical vs. unethical going in here buried in this quagmire of a political argument It’s not about the politics folks. Want what you want politically. Don’t let that cause you to lose sight of the character and ethics battle going on within it.

If you support a truly unethical and character challenged BAD PERSON to get what you want politically than something in YOUR ethics and character is off.

For yourself, your kids, your society; fix that before it’s too late.

I think many do, but are happy he's the one acting out on their grievances. We've heard this repeated many times where some say they know Trump is not the best person, but he'll get things done. So I suspect your hope is misplaced unfortunately. The question now is whether we go all in on this model and devolve further by Democrats propping up someone equivalent to Trump.

 

[SCrider]

But people such as Obama, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Chuck Schumer, or Nancy Pelosi are the kind of people you need to support to show high quality character and morals, lol.....

A ridiculous OP, another....."mine are good, yours are bad" petty comparisons, anything to disparage Trump at all costs........it's literally all they have left.

NIce deflection, but that does not explain why you support Trump.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

You claim to bring "facts" and yet present allegations.

Sorry, bulls#it. I clearly point to the acts he’s committed, and the findings upon them, that are proof of what I’m “accusing” Trump if.

Was Trump ever charged and convicted of a crime with regard to "university".

I never said he was charged with a crime. I stated, and correctly so, that if we’d fine what he has we’d be charged with a crime. What I did say was he was sued, admitted clearly being culpable of fraud, and paid damages to make his victims whole. To the tune of $25 MILLION dollars to over SIX THOUSAND victims.

You are off to a bad start with your anti trump rant.

I dint rant. I state a case and present evidence from the public record, as I just did above. You, and others, don’t like what that public record clearly states, so you choose to ignore it. That won’t make it go away.

Don't get me wrong, I agree that he is a less than upstanding guy like many politicians. And he is a jackass and manchild. I didn't even read the rest your rant yet.

There is an equivalence issue you MAGA folk simply refuse to DISCERN. You equate differently than most folks I know who, when they do comparative analysis, use things like facts and such to differentiate between the things being taken measure of.

 

[redbeer]

I didn’t claim anyone in Fed politics is clean. I’m from the, “They All Suck”, school of thought. However I am a DISCERNING person so I note variations in equivalence. Trump is a darker, more criminal, vastly more fraudulent being than your average political hack. That’s not opinion. It’s clearly defined by his very public record.

Trump is a public figure. So are federal pols. It’s quite easy to do a side by side. Tell me what other Congress critters or former POTUS’s have a record of stealing with a charitable foundation or a fraudulent university? Trump is the new low. You folks want to make him the new normal. Not good. Things are bad enough.



If you can look at Biden and Trump and not DISCERN an equivalency variance then that’s the problem in the nutshell. You wouldn’t see one between the shoplifter at CVS and Gotti either. Biden is the shoplifter. Trump is Gotti. Actually admits it. Admires the man. Wanted to be like him. Turns out, he has more in common with Gotti than you MAGA folk care to see. It is a matter of DISCERNMENT.

Well, the nemesis in your mind has blurred up your supposed good discernment. The top 3 of our country during the Obama administration.....Obama, Biden, and Hillary are well known highly corrupt politicians, becoming more and more relevant in todays politics, regardless of those willing to remain blind.

Your good discernment caused you to remain silent during a Presidential term with obvious dementia, plainly seen by all, cocaine in the WH, etc....all while they were somehow permitted to have the largest human trafficking operation the world has ever seen.......but your discernment is keen, huh?

 

[ModernDiogenes]

There is only one problem: The Democrats are maliciously trying to violate my civil liberties for no reason.

If you think that than deal with it. Just don’t be so non-DISCERNING as to saddle yourself, and the rest of us, with a professional low life to do it is all I ask.

That is incorrect. Trump protects me from the Democrats.

{sigh}

I ask myself who will protect me from the Democrats.

Trump will protect me from the Democrats.

{sigh}. Beam me up, Scotty.

 

[Blue Dog]

President Trump is only a symptom of the nations problem.

The reality is that too many people embrace the “screw u, I got mine” mindset. We continue devolving into the worst versions of humanity.

Pogo was right…

 

[ModernDiogenes]

I think many do, but are happy he's the one acting out on their grievances. We've heard this repeated many times where some say they know Trump is not the best person, but he'll get things done. So I suspect your hope is misplaced unfortunately. The question now is whether we go all in on this model and devolve further by Democrats propping up someone equivalent to Trump.

The historical record on this sort of thing is pretty clear as to where, unchecked, this all winds up.

If it’s OK with everyone else I’d prefer my grandkids not relive The Great Depression. We do seem set though on that occurring.

 

[ElChupacabra]

The historical record on this sort of thing is pretty clear as to where, unchecked, this all winds up.

If it’s OK with everyone else I’d prefer my grandkids not relive The Great Depression. We do seem set though on that occurring.

Oh I agree, but there are many who don't know or care about what history teaches us.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

Well, the nemesis in your mind has blurred up your supposed good discernment. The top 3 of our country during the Obama administration.....Obama, Biden, and Hillary are well known highly corrupt politicians, becoming more and more relevant in todays politics, regardless of those willing to remain blind.

Your good discernment caused you to remain silent during a Presidential term with obvious dementia, plainly seen by all, cocaine in the WH, etc....all while they were somehow permitted to have the largest human trafficking operation the world has ever seen.......but your discernment is keen, huh?

I never claimed Biden was “just fine”. I stated he had a competent administration around him that would correct for any problem just as Reagan’s did in his second term. It would continue to get legislation passed, even in a combative Congress, and govern in the direction his constituents had voted for, with at least a nod to the rest of us.

My discernment is functioning. A don’t conflate your average political hack with others who have life long records of stealing directly from others pockets by grift. If you can’t DISCERN Trump is a professional con man than, maybe, it’s you who should ask that question of yourself. (I say that politely, and in concern of your best interests).

 

[SavannahMann]

Oh I agree, but there are many who don't know or care about what history teaches us.

If we are aware of the history, we tell ourselves we are way smarter than those folks were, and we won't screw it up.

The original Sherlock Holmes mysteries were written in the 1880's. In it Doctor Watson had just returned home from Afghanistan where the British Army was fighting. When they remade it for TV in the modern era, they didn't have to change that part of the story. The same folks were back in Afghanistan and losing again. We went in even after the Soviets were driven out. We were way better than the Soviets and we had the technology to make victory possible.

German Officers were carrying the reports of Napoleon's invasion of Russia as they marched on Moscow, convinced they could win because they were smarter and aware of the mistakes Napoleon made. They read the reports, not as warnings, but as something to show how much smarter they were. They weren't making the same mistakes, even as they made the same mistake.

The Japanese, and the French lost in French Indochina. America would win in Vietnam because we were way smarter and had way better weapons and such.

Even when we know the history, we repeat it because we are arrogant enough to believe we are way smarter than those dummies.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

Oh I agree, but there are many who don't know or care about what history teaches us.

I was talking to my banker (officer with my bank) yesterday about, fiscally, where our trends are heading.

She agreed. That’s scary.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

Oh Lord, the crying and whining of the left.......

Doesn’t explain me.

I’m not a “Leftist’. I’m an old school Conservative. Theadore Roosevelt class minus the person of a given era racial concerns.

A person who investigated folks for a living, knows how to line the facts up to DISCERN law abiding, basic take advantage of circumstances criminality, and out right professional criminal.

Political hacks are the second group. They’ll steal when circumstances looks like they can get away with it - no one is looking hard enough. Trump is a pathological criminal. He doesn’t care whether you’re looking or not. He’ll steal right before your eyes and tell you you’re the one with vision problems. You saw nothing. It’s all in the heads of the folk pointing out the Emperor has no cloths on.

That you believe him when he’s told you that is very troubling.

 

[Michael Cole]

Well, the nemesis in your mind has blurred up your supposed good discernment. The top 3 of our country during the Obama administration.....Obama, Biden, and Hillary are well known highly corrupt politicians, becoming more and more relevant in todays politics, regardless of those willing to remain blind.

Your good discernment caused you to remain silent during a Presidential term with obvious dementia, plainly seen by all, cocaine in the WH, etc....all while they were somehow permitted to have the largest human trafficking operation the world has ever seen.......but your discernment is keen, huh?

Because a baggie in the WH is just like stealing millions of dollars from thousands of people. Exactly the same. Great argument. Highly convincing.

 

[Toggle Almendro]

If you think that than deal with it. Just don’t be so non-DISCERNING as to saddle yourself, and the rest of us, with a professional low life to do it is all I ask.

The way to deal with it is to elect Donald Trump so he can protect us from the Democrats.

 

[ColdHardTruth]

But people such as Obama, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Chuck Schumer, or Nancy Pelosi are the kind of people you need to support to show high quality character and morals, lol.....

This is bullshit whataboutism and a cheesy hijack attempt..

A ridiculous OP, another....."mine are good, yours are bad" petty comparisons, anything to disparage Trump at all costs........it's literally all they have left.

It's a good.

Trump is a child-raping traitor.

 

[Michael Cole]

The way to deal with it is to elect Donald Trump so he can protect us from the Democrats.

Would DeSantis have protected you from Democrats? Yes, he would have. Why did you pick the criminal?

 

[ColdHardTruth]

The way to deal with it is to elect Donald Trump so he can protect us from the Democrats.

Trump doesn't give two shits about you or MAGA.

He is a child-raping terrorist, thief, liar, traitor, mobster, and serial adulterer.

Supporting him is a REALLY bad look.

 

[Lycanthrope]

Surprise...surprise....You're totally missing the point.

"BUH BUH BUH BUH LIIIIIIIIBZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!"

 

[Jay59]

Trump is a bad person. Sorry, that’s simply a truthful statement born out but the very public, well documented, actual facts of the very public record.

It's a reasonable opinion.

The question is whether it's relevant to his ability and willingness to do his job.

He’s literally stolen hundreds of millions from tens of thousands of victims. He didn’t use a gun. He used lies, deceit, fraud. His tools were a bogus charity and university among other things. If you or I did such things we’d rightly be serving prison time for them. Trump, if he was where justice says he ought to be, could never be President. He’d have died in prison where Bernie Madoff, a similar unethical human being, wound up. You MAGA folk need to know, because it’s true, if you knowingly support this behavior in leadership that there is something off in your character and personal ethics. Im sorry, Hate me for saying so but I don’t say it out of hate. Not even dislike. You don’t try to save people you hate or dislike. I’m hoping it’s just that you have gotten so bogged down in this us vs them thing that you’ve missed this very real, valid, point. That there is a battle of right vs. wrong, good vs. evil, ethical vs. unethical going in here buried in this quagmire of a political argument It’s not about the politics folks. Want what you want politically. Don’t let that cause you to lose sight of the character and ethics battle going on within it. If you support a truly unethical and character challenged BAD PERSON to get what you want politically than something in YOUR ethics and character is off. For yourself, your kids, your society; fix that before it’s too late.

This is pretty repetitive. The question stands, so what?

Jobs are evaluated based on the work product. There is not a word about accomplishments here.

Are you able to separate the policy from the person?