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I use ignore a lot for the most extreme ... or for the ones who seem most committed to saying outrageous things that even they might not believe ... they just like the reaction.
Every now and then I take someone off ignore for some reason -- maybe because it's a topic where I'm actually curious what they'll think. Then I get quickly fed up and put them back on ignore.
When someone starts claiming I said something I didn't say, it's very easy for me to walk away. If they don't get to that point quickly, I'll sometimes go three or so rounds with them before I decide to get off the carousel. There are few whom I expect to come close to a meeting of the minds with. But, hey, we both get to vent.
Seems like you have a pretty good set of guidelines. I always have trouble keeping to simple rules on it. I was raised by a very ardent republican (80s, not today) lawyer and a very strong-willed democrat professor of economics. I always feel like there is another argument to be made, even having been shown my whole life how pointless it can become.
I've been thinking I might enjoy the debate more if I could clearly define where I spend my energy. Moderate isn't the right word for me because I fall on both sides, but not without strong feelings. I don't get worked up over internet arguments, but I enjoy them more when I spend my time in the right places.
I would specify that this thread is aimed at folks who know what moderation is or who aren't extremists themselves, but the whole point is that they can't tell.
In threads on both sides of the aisle the last several days, I have hit the same extremism that made me wander off political boards for a year or so. I really enjoy a good debate and I think this board does far better than most. I actually enjoy being proven wrong and pulled to the other side or at least arguing with someone who can see something outside their views even if they don't agree with me in the end.
Unfortunately, we all know the extremists. The folks that will hold tight to their views no matter how categorically proven wrong or who have no concept of their own failures in logic. There are a ton of them mixed in with all the intelligent folks here.
My question is this; where do you just drop them? I'm not the type of guy who needs to get the last word and I know that you will never end an argument with a hyper-partisan on a reasonable note. I often find myself walking away and pitying them on how much they miss.
Where do you personally draw the line? Do you feel a couple tries is enough to show them logic? Do you keep it up in hopes that you will convince them or the other fools who believe as they do? Do you just see a name and not think it's worth responding? Does the first sign of refusing to even read opposing views make you give up on them anymore?
Share your thoughts. I would enjoy if this thread didn't turn into a hate-fest, but I'm not a moderator. Please try to keep your responses to I statements and not attacks on any other person.
I also adhere to my tagline, I stop responding for the following three reasons.:
1. I feel that I've made my point already and really don't feel like repeating it.
2. The post is fallacious in some way (emotional appeal, ad hominin, red herring, straw man, false dilemma, etc.) therefore trolling and I simply chose not to respond.
3. There is no real issue to respond to, it's just an opinion or an assertion I have no interest in.
I would specify that this thread is aimed at folks who know what moderation is or who aren't extremists themselves, but the whole point is that they can't tell.
In threads on both sides of the aisle the last several days, I have hit the same extremism that made me wander off political boards for a year or so. I really enjoy a good debate and I think this board does far better than most. I actually enjoy being proven wrong and pulled to the other side or at least arguing with someone who can see something outside their views even if they don't agree with me in the end.
Unfortunately, we all know the extremists. The folks that will hold tight to their views no matter how categorically proven wrong or who have no concept of their own failures in logic. There are a ton of them mixed in with all the intelligent folks here.
My question is this; where do you just drop them? I'm not the type of guy who needs to get the last word and I know that you will never end an argument with a hyper-partisan on a reasonable note. I often find myself walking away and pitying them on how much they miss.
Where do you personally draw the line? Do you feel a couple tries is enough to show them logic? Do you keep it up in hopes that you will convince them or the other fools who believe as they do? Do you just see a name and not think it's worth responding? Does the first sign of refusing to even read opposing views make you give up on them anymore?
Share your thoughts. I would enjoy if this thread didn't turn into a hate-fest, but I'm not a moderator. Please try to keep your responses to I statements and not attacks on any other person.
Some people rhetorically ask whether any minds have been changed on internet forums. I am a most definite yes. My mind was changed. A progressive Republican on the forum I was at in 2010 or so drew me out of my casual moderate rightwing mindset ... didn't change me quickly but set the wheels in motion.
My line is on public view, both in my tagline (below), and posted on my blog: https://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/captain-adverse/1391-time-re-introduce-myself.html
Basically, when the member either attacks me personally, tries to create a new argument, or just keeps re-asserting something as opposed to addressing the point I made...I consider they have lost the argument and I don't need to post anymore.
When I get to the point of repeating myself. A lot of times anymore I just make side commentary. To get into a real debate requires too much time and effort to put together a cogent sailable argument supported by solid and substantial facts with all the trimmings associated including sources, only to get bogged down in got ya games. There are also people I tend to avoid, AgentJ comes to mind in particular, though I am currently running an experiment on him right now to see how OCD he is in quantifiable terms. Most times I get my 2 cents :twocents: in and leave it at that anymore. No point going at something ad nauseam. Mainly I am here to chat a bit and throw my opinion out and occasionally have an interesting debate with reasonable people without getting hostile. That last seems to be more difficult to do anymore.
I would specify that this thread is aimed at folks who know what moderation is or who aren't extremists themselves, but the whole point is that they can't tell.
In threads on both sides of the aisle the last several days, I have hit the same extremism that made me wander off political boards for a year or so. I really enjoy a good debate and I think this board does far better than most. I actually enjoy being proven wrong and pulled to the other side or at least arguing with someone who can see something outside their views even if they don't agree with me in the end.
Unfortunately, we all know the extremists. The folks that will hold tight to their views no matter how categorically proven wrong or who have no concept of their own failures in logic. There are a ton of them mixed in with all the intelligent folks here.
My question is this; where do you just drop them? I'm not the type of guy who needs to get the last word and I know that you will never end an argument with a hyper-partisan on a reasonable note. I often find myself walking away and pitying them on how much they miss.
Where do you personally draw the line? Do you feel a couple tries is enough to show them logic? Do you keep it up in hopes that you will convince them or the other fools who believe as they do? Do you just see a name and not think it's worth responding? Does the first sign of refusing to even read opposing views make you give up on them anymore?
Share your thoughts. I would enjoy if this thread didn't turn into a hate-fest, but I'm not a moderator. Please try to keep your responses to I statements and not attacks on any other person.
When all the poster has is a logic fallacy, a personal attack, or attempts to rewrite my words, I draw the line and say good-bye for awhile.
I don't put anyone on formal ignore, but I will mentally ignore that poster until they decide to change their ways. Some never learn and those people are simply trolls and deserve no second chances with me.
Thank you for your input and I like the general guidelines you shared. I will please ask you to avoid any direct names. I'm really hoping this thread will keep to a simple topic of finding where a good place to call it quits is.
I redacted the name for ya.
Makes total sense.
To those reading and responding, I appreciate it and have a question. How much does your pride or stubbornness bother you when you have to let a moron feel like they won? I admit it bothers me much more than it should as a reasonable adult.
Thanks for that. I understand your point, but I'm no mod and can't control anything. I'm just trying not to let my thread become personal anywhere.
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To those reading and responding, I appreciate it and have a question. How much does your pride or stubbornness bother you when you have to let a moron feel like they won? I admit it bothers me much more than it should as a reasonable adult.
For me it depends on what mood I'm in. Lately though I just stop replying to some folks, it's senseless. Some people are on here just to disagree never really adding to any conversation. I find a lot of people are on here strictly to agitate, so sometimes I play sometimes I don't, it's the mood thing. What doesn't really surprise me and yet it does, is the amount of raw hatred from some folks. If you don't agree with them, do I need to say more? I thought the whole point is to try to get the other person to come to your side? Nah, it's name calling, insulting and taunting. I am guilty because the stupidity of some comments irk me so much I can't resist.
After all is said and done, it's the internet, so people can feel free to be more cruel.
It's frustrating. But I find posting a face palm picture or a condescending Jennifer Lawrence helps me wrap things up as I shake the dust off my heels and walk away. :lol:
I would specify that this thread is aimed at folks who know what moderation is or who aren't extremists themselves, but the whole point is that they can't tell.
In threads on both sides of the aisle the last several days, I have hit the same extremism that made me wander off political boards for a year or so. I really enjoy a good debate and I think this board does far better than most. I actually enjoy being proven wrong and pulled to the other side or at least arguing with someone who can see something outside their views even if they don't agree with me in the end.
Unfortunately, we all know the extremists. The folks that will hold tight to their views no matter how categorically proven wrong or who have no concept of their own failures in logic. There are a ton of them mixed in with all the intelligent folks here.
My question is this; where do you just drop them? I'm not the type of guy who needs to get the last word and I know that you will never end an argument with a hyper-partisan on a reasonable note. I often find myself walking away and pitying them on how much they miss.
Where do you personally draw the line? Do you feel a couple tries is enough to show them logic? Do you keep it up in hopes that you will convince them or the other fools who believe as they do? Do you just see a name and not think it's worth responding? Does the first sign of refusing to even read opposing views make you give up on them anymore?
Share your thoughts. I would enjoy if this thread didn't turn into a hate-fest, but I'm not a moderator. Please try to keep your responses to I statements and not attacks on any other person.
When I dismiss you, you will know when you have reached the line.
Makes total sense.
To those reading and responding, I appreciate it and have a question. How much does your pride or stubbornness bother you when you have to let a moron feel like they won? I admit it bothers me much more than it should as a reasonable adult.
Give you points for succinct, but could you elaborate on what gets you to this point?
I've learned to just say :2wave: when dealing with "morons" who think they have won the argument. What have they won?
The winner walks away, cuts their losses because there is no sense dealing with miserable people.
No.
Perhaps you could do a search of all the times I've dismissed people. That should give you an idea. Otherwise, just be yourself. As I said...if you reach the line, you'll know it.
I would specify that this thread is aimed at folks who know what moderation is or who aren't extremists themselves, but the whole point is that they can't tell.
In threads on both sides of the aisle the last several days, I have hit the same extremism that made me wander off political boards for a year or so. I really enjoy a good debate and I think this board does far better than most. I actually enjoy being proven wrong and pulled to the other side or at least arguing with someone who can see something outside their views even if they don't agree with me in the end.
Unfortunately, we all know the extremists. The folks that will hold tight to their views no matter how categorically proven wrong or who have no concept of their own failures in logic. There are a ton of them mixed in with all the intelligent folks here.
My question is this; where do you just drop them? I'm not the type of guy who needs to get the last word and I know that you will never end an argument with a hyper-partisan on a reasonable note. I often find myself walking away and pitying them on how much they miss.
Where do you personally draw the line? Do you feel a couple tries is enough to show them logic? Do you keep it up in hopes that you will convince them or the other fools who believe as they do? Do you just see a name and not think it's worth responding? Does the first sign of refusing to even read opposing views make you give up on them anymore?
Share your thoughts. I would enjoy if this thread didn't turn into a hate-fest, but I'm not a moderator. Please try to keep your responses to I statements and not attacks on any other person.
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