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Hyper-Individualism = Social Isolation + Lack of Empathy

Dans La Lune said:
'Hyper-individualism refers to an extreme focus on personal autonomy, self-reliance, and independence, often at the expense of community, social responsibility, and collective well-being. This concept is characterized by prioritizing personal success and interests over group or societal needs. It can lead to social isolation and a breakdown of communal ties, as seen in the context of modern American life where public spaces are treated as personal domains and social media is used for self-glorification rather than community building.
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Now compare that to left wing collectivism:

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eohrnberger said:
So a leftist defines the measures of the problem to be anything which doesn't support the leftist ideals, applies those measures to society for the purposes of dividing the population into an 'us and them' to further the leftist ideals and political agenda, coming up with no solution or approaches to the identified problem (likely fabricated).

Why am I not surprised?



Further still, the left's continuing to shove DEI down everyone's throat only leads to further division, and doesn't have support with the populace.

In Summary, a leftist identifies a problem who's roots are in what leftists are trying to shove down an unwilling population's throats, causing the problem the leftist identified.

If the concern is that's a lesser social cohesion, perhaps the left should consider stopping their practice of constant practicing of identify politics, the politics of division and divisiveness?
These clearly feed the problem rather than solve it.
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If it weren't for identity politics, i.e. racial, sexual orientation, environmental, then what would the Left have as far as issues to "fight" with?
Calling Trump "Hitler" or "Nazi", or "racist" gets old after a while, so they have to revert back to those issues they believed should have worked for Kamala's campaign.
I.e. DEI, climate change, LGBTQ+ ideology, etc. simply don't work anymore.

Now they want to get the public afraid because "Trump is creating a Constitutional crisis" whatever that means. But it sounds good to those ignorant people who believe Trump is going to shred the Constitution to get his way with the public.
 
Trying to tie this to the "right wing" is just dumb.
 
jaypatriot said:
If it weren't for identity politics, i.e. racial, sexual orientation, environmental, then what would the Left have as far as issues to "fight" with?
Calling Trump "Hitler" or "Nazi", or "racist" gets old after a while, so they have to revert back to those issues they believed should have worked for Kamala's campaign.
I.e. DEI, climate change, LGBTQ+ ideology, etc. simply don't work anymore.
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Agreed.
The left is vision, mission and morally bankrupt at this moment in time, and have become over reliant on identity politics and baseless name calling, to the point this is all they have and all they can think of doing.

jaypatriot said:
Now they want to get the public afraid because "Trump is creating a Constitutional crisis" whatever that means. But it sounds good to those ignorant people who believe Trump is going to shred the Constitution to get his way with the public.
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The constant claim of 'Trump is causing a constitutional crisis' is just more of the same baseless name calling, bereft of any vision, mission and morality.
 
eohrnberger said:
Agreed.
The left is vision, mission and morally bankrupt at this moment in time, and have become over reliant on identity politics and baseless name calling, to the point this is all they have and all they can think of doing.


The constant claim of 'Trump is causing a constitutional crisis' is just more of the same baseless name calling, bereft of any vision, mission and morality.
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That particular catch phrase, 'Trump is causing a constitutional crisis', is easy for lazy anti-Trump critics to remember. They don't need to understand what it really means. It's like "Trump is destroying democracy as we know it". People like Kamala and AOC can recite those rhetorical phrases and feel comfortable the low information voters will remember those "Chicken Little Sky is Falling" warnings.
Sort of like Bernie Sanders admonishing corporations to "pay their fair share".

Yes, there are similar catch phrases on the Right, but they're not as comical as those on the Left.
 
jaypatriot said:
That particular catch phrase, 'Trump is causing a constitutional crisis', is easy for lazy anti-Trump critics to remember. They don't need to understand what it really means. It's like "Trump is destroying democracy as we know it". People like Kamala and AOC can recite those rhetorical phrases and feel comfortable the low information voters will remember those "Chicken Little Sky is Falling" warnings.
Sort of like Bernie Sanders admonishing corporations to "pay their fair share".

Yes, there are similar catch phrases on the Right, but they're not as comical as those on the Left.
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The right have a long history of ridiculous but sadly effective propaganda. Like for example the Swiftboat attacks, Obama's birth certificate, the lie that the election was stolen to immigrants eating cats and dogs.




www.bbc.com

Donald Trump repeats baseless claim about Haitian immigrants eating cats and dogs in Springfield, Ohio

Donald Trump claimed immigrants in a small Ohio city were eating pets, but there’s no proof of this.
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While Trump have a few months in already pardoned dangerous offenders that stormed the Capitol and beat up cops. While also sent asylum seekerd without criminal conviction to a horrific prison in El Salvador.


www.latimes.com

They were called gang members and deported. Families say their only crime was having tattoos

The families of two Venezuelans deported to El Salvador say the Trump administration wrongly branded them as Tren de Aragua gang members.
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Bergslagstroll said:
The right have a long history of ridiculous but sadly effective propaganda. Like for example the Swiftboat attacks, Obama's birth certificate, the lie that the election was stolen to immigrants eating cats and dogs.




www.bbc.com

Donald Trump repeats baseless claim about Haitian immigrants eating cats and dogs in Springfield, Ohio

Donald Trump claimed immigrants in a small Ohio city were eating pets, but there’s no proof of this.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com

While Trump have a few months in already pardoned dangerous offenders that stormed the Capitol and beat up cops. While also sent asylum seekerd without criminal conviction to a horrific prison in El Salvador.


www.latimes.com

They were called gang members and deported. Families say their only crime was having tattoos

The families of two Venezuelans deported to El Salvador say the Trump administration wrongly branded them as Tren de Aragua gang members.
www.latimes.com www.latimes.com
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You're right. The Swiftboat attacks caused John Kerry to lose. Good.
Obama's birth certificate did nothing to hurt him.
The stolen election lie did not hurt Trump in 2024.
The cats and dog lie did nothing to hurt Trump. He still won.

Remember, the Swiftboat attacks came from veterans who knew Kerry was lying and was a show-boater in Vietnam.
 
NatMorton said:
No, like what you think is required from government in order for people to get in line and participate in your idea of a well connected society. Do you have any specific programs in mind or is this merely idle daydreaming?
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It's not the government's role to tell people how to behave. Hyper-individuality is an ideology promoted by the right-wing.
 
Loulit01 said:
It's a cult.

The opposite is true of MAGA.

It's a cult of personality.

None of this explains MAGA. They don't have problems because they're rugged individualists. The opposite is true: Groupthink
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Yeah, MAGA has nothing to do with individualism. And they sure are not lonely, at least currently. But people like to look for one word that sounds authoritative to describe a foe. The extreme progressive left has overused the term NAZI, so now they need to find something else to describe the enemy. Groupthink for extremists, left or right is the perfect description these days. Unyielding-Groupthink is even more apropos.
 
jaypatriot said:
If it weren't for identity politics, i.e. racial, sexual orientation, environmental, then what would the Left have as far as issues to "fight" with?
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Identity politics are a function of the right-wing.

 
TobyOne said:
Trying to tie this to the "right wing" is just dumb.
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Well, it's a fact that hyper-individuality is promoted by the right-wing, not the progressive left.
 
eohrnberger said:
Further still, the left's continuing to shove DEI down everyone's throat only leads to further division, and doesn't have support with the populace.
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Do you even know what DEI is?
 
@Dans La Lune

“Do you think the Hyper-Individualism promoted by the right-wing creates a lack of empathy and sense of social isolation? Thus creating a feedback loop which further empowers the right-wing?”

The Rightwing does not have a monopoly on lack of empathy. I didn’t see a whole of empathy from the Left when working-class Americans saw their communities strained to the breaking point when the Biden-Harris regime invited millions of illegal aliens into the country. Or when Woke DAs freed violent criminals from prison.

Mark
 
markdc said:
@Dans La Lune

“Do you think the Hyper-Individualism promoted by the right-wing creates a lack of empathy and sense of social isolation? Thus creating a feedback loop which further empowers the right-wing?”

The Rightwing does not have a monopoly on lack of empathy.
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True. There are centrist liberals who are perfectly comfortable with sacrificing certain groups to gain political advantage.

markdc said:
I didn’t see a whole of empathy from the Left when working-class Americans saw their communities strained to the breaking point when the Biden-Harris regime invited millions of illegal aliens into the country.
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When did they do that?

markdc said:
Or when Woke DAs freed violent criminals from prison.
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When did they do that?
 
Dans La Lune said:
Identity politics are a function of the right-wing.
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Yeah, right. The Leftists would never do something like announce they were going to choose a black, Asian woman to run as VP with an old white guy in 2020.
 
markdc said:
@Dans La Lune

“Do you think the Hyper-Individualism promoted by the right-wing creates a lack of empathy and sense of social isolation? Thus creating a feedback loop which further empowers the right-wing?”

The Rightwing does not have a monopoly on lack of empathy. I didn’t see a whole of empathy from the Left when working-class Americans saw their communities strained to the breaking point when the Biden-Harris regime invited millions of illegal aliens into the country. Or when Woke DAs freed violent criminals from prison.

Mark
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Nicely said. For certain the left's actions don't match their messaging, and probably that's a major contributor as to why they lost the 2024 election.
 
Dans La Lune said:
Do you think the Hyper-Individualism promoted by the right-wing creates a lack of empathy and sense of social isolation? Thus creating a feedback loop which further empowers the right-wing?
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There is plenty of that in BOTH bubbles. It’s not unique to MAGA.
 
trixare4kids said:
Nicely said. For certain the left's actions don't match their messaging, and probably that's a major contributor as to why they lost the 2024 election.
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Well, I'll give you that the right's actions definitely reflect the messaging of Trump.
 
Dans La Lune said:
Do you think the progressive left is obsessed with hyper-individualism?
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I think today's progressive left is obsessed with winning and maintaining control over the group. The perception that the left claims empathy and being hyper-for the group while acting otherwise often stems from a disconnect between the progressive left's stated values and their own behavior.

Mark pointed it correctly in his post above.
"I didn’t see a whole of empathy from the Left when working-class Americans saw their communities strained to the breaking point when the Biden-Harris regime invited millions of illegal aliens into the country. Or when Woke DAs freed violent criminals from prison."
 
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