Should anyone in any country be "proud of their country" as a concept?
That's truly frightening.
History is facts, it's a recording of what happened...those are measured systems. Speaking factually doesn't have to be done in a boring mannerism.
Why is that?
Btw, I have clarified my point on the post.
Yeah, I think that one can have quite a lot of pride in themselves and their country, and can even do so while not displaying blind obedience to the government itself. One can have a lot of pride in their country and rally against the current incarnation of their government as well.
Wow, so wrong. History is the "facts" written by the survivors AND it's a story, again, told by the survivors, the victors.
For the record I don't see a huge problem with making both sides of a particular event, or time in history and having the kids reach their own conclusions, as long as they don't get pressure from what ever teacher to lean one way or another for grades.
But, but, but....the wingnuts on the school board have legitimate concerns!!
JeffCo teachers, students protest proposal to promote 'patriotism' in history classes | CPR
And there is the rub because we have on some level made our schools into institutions of propaganda instead of critical thinking. But yes, ideally it's the facts, it's both sides, and the individual makes up their own minds. By politicizing the schools, we're acting against the purpose of education.
OK, but yes it's recorded and modern history more so than medieval. But it doesn't change anything I wrote. It's recorded, we report on that. It's factual, I suppose by "history's standards", and that doesn't need to be recanted in boring mannerisms.
Oh my god... How the hell does one cast slavery in a positive light? "At least we got a whole lot of cheap cotton out of it"?
Apparently on July 4th, 1776 America started ****ting non-stop rainbows and nothing negative ever happened.
You have a minor in the field
and believe recorded history is non-biased.
You're the one who tried to claim by misquoting me that I had said patriotism and treason were the same thing. Which is a lie, so you can stop that, it would be greatly appreciated.
It would depend on circumstance of death and protest. A protest could indeed be a greater display of patriotism than dying for the government. As stated before, death for the government isn't innately an act of patriotism. Nor are all protests acts of patriotism, ergo it is quite possible that dying for the government is a greater display of patriotism than protest.
Its my major, not minor.
I never said that. I said professors should not inject nationalism or other personal biases in the teaching of history. Reading comprehension is not your strong suit.
Protest is one of the highest forms of patriotism in this Republic.
:doh
With these students standing up like that, it shows not all hope is lost.
These children are self absorbed idiots.
I don't blame them though. Their parents are probably even more self absorbed idiots, so it isn't like the kids had a chance.
You're taking one aspect, (that I agree is troublesome) and twisting the whole thing...Trying to squelch opposition to Obama is a hallmark of the progressive liberal today...Congrats...You're post is highly typical.
So, when a medieval historian writes that ships that sailed too far towards the horizon fell off the Earth, that was factual? And historians today are different than historians then how?
Yes, damn them for not accepting propaganda as history! What in the hell is the matter with them? Just swallow it and smile.:lamo
No I didn't. You tried to argue that you can die for your country for traitorous purposes to show that dying for your country isn't patriotic, I pointed out that dying for traitorous purposes is not dying for your country.
To make your argument you have dishonestly moved the goal post to "dying for your government" which is not the same as dying for your country. Government =/= Country.
I have said "dying for your country is the highest form of patriotism" the best you seem to be able to muster is the intellectually dishonest argument that "dying for your government" isn't always patriotic, which isn't the same thing.
I am picking up a distinct pattern with you...
Hilarious and a wonderfully subtle shifting of those goal posts.
Yeah...you're missing a "not". Dying for your country is not the greatest form of patriotism....
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