Not if it's based on stupidity, and interfering with the rights of others. I'd see more evidence of patriotism from someone wearing a military uniform than anything I saw from the OWS protesters. There are many far higher forms of patriotism, but perhaps that's what they're teaching grade students these days.
Treason =/= Patriotism therefor a traitors death is not an act of patriotism.
You really are terrible with words.
I am not here to help you understand clearly written statements.
He's doing the same thing with the school boards policy about censoring the curriculum
I didn't say that treason was the same as patriotism, you have to take to lying now?
Uggg....yeah it's looking that way.
Hah!! You said a person's death "can go against the rights and liberties of the individual; which would make it traitorous."
If they are a traitor then they are not a patriot.
Dying for your country is the greatest form of patriotism because it requires the greatest sacrifice of self. People can sacrifice their life for treason too, but that doesn't make it a form of patriotism, it makes it a form of treason.
Confidentially, I don't see your tag team going any better then your hapless solo efforts.
:doh
With these students standing up like that, it shows not all hope is lost.
Well I did say that some protests may not be patriotic in the least.
Allowing them is no form of patriotism, typically you can't "not allow" them without engaging in treason and tyranny. The standing up, the voice opinion, the dissent against government action...those are acts of patriotism in certain realizations of the act. Following the law...not so much.
So, is the administration engaging in "treason" or "tyranny" when it hustles protesters into "free speech zones"? Because outside of the security questions, I think that practice stinks. I didn't like it when Bush did it, and don't like it now when "the One" does it...But let's be clear, Not all protests are "patriotic"....
Oh, I find free speech zones to clearly be an act of treason and tyranny. Free speech zone is America, not fenced off little areas miles away from political conventions in order for the politicians to play down protest and make themselves look good for the press.
It's a sad day when HS kids protest patriotism.
Yeah...you're missing a "not". Dying for your country is not the greatest form of patriotism....
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On that we can agree. However, on this topic, conservatives wanting to not foster an anti American message in text books written by jokers like Ward Churchill, and approved by boards headed by characters like Bill Ayres is totally reasonable in my mind...That some snot nosed little socialist anarchists don't like it matters not to me.
Some may claim those who engaged in the Boston Tea Party were patriots yet others may say they engaged in civil disobedience.
What do you think?
Well, there you have it. You originally tried to defend an idiotic quote by equating it with a perfectly reasonable quote. When backed into a corner with the fact the the two quotes are actually different you now defend the idiotic quote on its own merits by agreeing with its central premise (which is mind numbingly stupid).
You are at least logically consistent now, albeit morally indefensible.
Who has sacrificed more for their country, the dead soldier of the angry protester? You say protester.
They weren't patriots as they weren't defending a country at that point. They were rebels, which are not patriots.
Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum changes that would promote patriotism | Fox News
I'm with the students on this one. Complete bs on the part of that school board. No curriculum should be biased or censored, just straight facts.
That's precisely what the school board is trying to prevent with this, the existing anti-American bias. Fire any teachers who walked out.
Are you done lying about my quotes now?
Your last conclusion is also erroneous, can you make one, just 1, honest post?
Would they have been rebels if they were being taught to just respect authority?
Let me ask you this, are you for a "small" government? If yes, how do you think you are going to be able to achieve that without a fight? Because that ship has long sailed away. If you are for a large government, then I can see where you would applaud the efforts to downplay civil disobedience.
Which is why I really don't get why conservatives have this platform of small government yet want to write history books that teach the opposite of that happening. Maybe as a conservative you can help me understand?
And now, when cornered, start calling people liars. Textbook.
So, let's start again. Who has displayed more patriotism, someone who died defending their country or someone who protested an injustice?
I think neither anti nor pro American bias should be taught. Just teach the kids the facts without any bias either way and let them make their own conclusions on historic events.
Yes, but we do have to hear it all. America is great, the foundations of the Republic are deserving of proliferation and defense. But we've done some messed up things, and we need to know we did messed up things, acknowledge it so that we can push forward to a better tomorrow. It wasn't all rainbows and fresh baked apple pies, and sugar coating it just to sugar coat patriotism is many times an act of fascism, and a way to get people to not think about an issue.
I'd rather the whole truth be told and for the individuals to make up their own minds.
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